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openTwo quotes on The Kirk
Trope pages are supposed to have only one quote. The Kirk has two, strangely enough, the first is formatted like a quote, and then the beginning of the text itself is another quote. Delete this second quote?
openDeleted example
Berzerkerking deleted the example of Better Than Canon from Warhammer: Age of Sigmar. As far as I'm aware of, the context of the example was factually correct; is the deletion itself appropriate?
openShould some pages demonstrate the trope they represent?
So I was hanging out, being bored in class, perusing this land of lost souls, spamming the trope button, until I came across a very boring Intentional Engrish for Funny page. I though I should spruce it up. And if you click that there wikiworld, you'll see I did just that. Now though, I have a dilemma. Should I make a self-demonstrating page for that Engrished page, or keep it as the main?
openIs Heart Symbol actually a trope?
Moving to Trope Talk Is Heart Symbol actually a trope?
I just turned into it into an index of tropes that involve the symbol, and I'm not seeing any connection between the examples on the page.
It's effectively the TLP, Heart Motifs
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- AKB0048: Every member of the AKB0048 has a heart shaped shine in their hair and in their eyes as well. This feature in particular seems to be a manifestation of the potential of a girl to be a future Successor, as it shows up the young Lancastar girls after they witness their first concert. It happens again to another set of young girls after they see their first 00 performance as well.
- Former members have diamonds instead. Justified by the fact that there are Loads And Loadsof Characters, makes it easier for people to just identify who is in and who isn't.
- In Conor Kostic's novel Saga: Ghost's symbol is a ♥, and is always represented that way. Why is it that symbol? We don't know. As she says in Saga when painting aircars:
I settled for a pale blue sky with fluffy white clouds as my background, and then filled it with floating red ♥s. Not much of a statement, I know, unless you think about how there are millions of aircars out there, and they are all a standard simple monochrome. To introduce playfulness and individuality is in itself a kind of subversion. Well, that’s if my choice needed any justification.
- Naturally, the ♥ became the band logo of Seattle-based rock group Heart, at least in their original Seventies incarnation as soft-rock country/folk band fronted by hippie chicks. The ♥ became synonymous with sisters Ann and Nancy Wilson, who fronted the group and wrote most of its material. The symbol was downgraded a little after their make-over as 1980's big-haired rock chicks performing stadium rock.
- Hello! Project loves to use these in song titles... Koisuru♡Angel♡Heart, ♡Momoiro Kataomoi♡, Icha♡Icha Summer, Honki Mekimeki♡Toki Mekimeki, Hare Ame Nochi Suki♡, Zettai Tokeru Mondai X = ♡, Renai♥Rider, Ona no Ko no Torishirabe Time♥...
- Then there's the group Odoru♡11.
- The Harts, such as Bret or Owen, typically have a heart symbol with a winged skull in the middle of it.
- Luchador ATM has two heart symbol eye holes cut into his mask.
- Just to emphasize how much of a Girly Girl she had become in Fighting Opera HUSTLE, Erica had these symbols painted on her cheeks.
- Sassy Stephie has gear with the letter S twice on her chest. One is backwards so it forms a heart.
- Shazza McKenzie has a one piece with heart symbols cut into it, bearing the sides of her midriff.
- "La Chica de la Actitud" Roxxy has her name sewn into her ring gear with the "O" being in this shape.
- Kingdom Hearts. Hearts are everywhere. They pop up in symbolism, menu icons, and whenever you kill most enemies. Hell, the freaking MOON is heart-shaped!
- Panel de Pon: Heart-shaped panels are a staple.
But, there are examples that are just mentions of the symbol, and don't have any narrative significance?
- Kingdom of Loathing: It has a "Less-than-three-shaped box", which is aptly named. It is shaped like a heart, and can hold up to 2 items.
- In Ava's Demon, once Ava agrees to the pact, we get a heart split in half, with two colors, one side shattered.
- Whateley Universe: There's "an adorable little blonde kid in curls" whose codename is Less Than Three, but if it's intended to be this symbol or not, is unknown, and we don't know why she picked that codename either, presuming that she didn't have it assigned involuntarily.
Then there's this, which is sorta like Hearts Are Health, but not.
openKing Zeal on "Queerbaiting" YKTTW
Courtesy Link: here
There was a conversation / debate on the draft about the term "queer" and before Shimaspawn stepped in saying that it's a pre-existing term, King Zeal started to step over the line with the rhetorical / snide question "If the people self-identifying themselves as queer are wrong, and the people who lovingly accept them as queer are wrong, and the original dictionary term is vague, what authority are you deferring to define the term?" as though gay men (such as myself) cannot comprehend this term that describes gay people
or that I contrast with the "people who lovingly accept them." In our history over on this ATT thread,
we were told to stop sniping each other, and I would rather not get in trouble for responding to his comment. I didn't say anything until now because I hadn't seen the comment. I knew the discussion was getting heated and I stepped away and just had no motivation to look at the draft until now.
His most recent comment, which posted today (well after Shimaspawn's stepping in), King Zeal continued the topic of what "queer" means, and I don't think he's letting it go.
At the risk of being repetitive: I don't want to directly engage with this definition "debate" and I think a mod coming in to the draft to calm the waters could possibly help keep the discussion on track for the trope, rather than the definition of "queer."
Edited by WaterBlapopen{{Yandere}} page
Why does the Self-demonstrating version have an image but the original doesn't? I think it illustrates the trope pretty well. The SD page also appears very incomplete.
Edited by LegitimateIdiotopenpermission to remove sbih entry
Edit: Ignore. They deleted it themself after seeing there was a discussion.
From Horrible.Comic Books. This is the entry in question:
- Kirkman's run on Ultimate X Men ended with him retconning almost every major change he had made, but it was still, sadly, not enough to wipe the long, dragging Magician arc from readers' memories. Kurt Wagner going batshit insane from his time in the Weapon X program could've been done as Character Development, but when coupled with his sudden off-the-wall homophobia and super-creepy Annie Wilkes-like behavior towards Dazzler, it just wound up being the final straw.
I'm bringing it here to avoid getting involved in an edit war. The above entry was deleted by another user because they misunderstood it as being about the entire run, but it was added again by someone else with only the first couple of lines switched around. As I mentioned on the discussion page before it was re-added, it probably shouldn't be on anyway. Apart from having pretty much no detail, all that it's about is a personal disagreement about the direction being taken with one character (and with only two aspects if it at that). Plus from what I've read, Kurt's homophobic tendencies, while more aggressive than before, don't come out of nowhere like the entry seems to suggest. Nothing about it implies horrible writing by itself, and even if it did that's still just one element. It certainly wont make sense to anyone unfamiliar with the comics anyway.
I also couldn't find anything suggesting that the story arc has a poor enough reputation to even warrant a place on the page in the first place. And the name of the arc (Magician) is incorrect.
Edited by supergodopenMore Intentional Engrish for funny stuff. yay.
So, the main description on self-demonstrating is good n' all. But the individual examples aren't tropified. Should I leave them alone or fuck with the typing there too?
open Little kids show about crime fighting car
I have been trying to find this show forever. Basically, when I was very young I would often watch this show about a car that fought crime. It was definitely a little kids show, but I do not believe it was on PBS. It was on early 2000's because based on where I was living I must have only been 3-5 years old. It was not a cartoon, it had very real people in it and the car itself was real. I believe it was set somewhere in Europe and the car was an older police beetle bug from what I recall. For the life of me I cannot remember its name and honestly thought I dreamed it up until a friend recently confirmed he also had seen it. Please help it's been bothering me for so long!
Edited by mshadle98open To edit or not
The Vague Age reference for Misty on the Pokemon Gym Leaders page seems off to me. I've never seen anyone say Misty looks like a teen in FRLG. She looks like a preteen to me, just like her classic design. I wouldn't say Misty's age is vague. She's Red's age in every adaptation and a piece of early artwork depicted her as being Red's height. I think it should be changed from Vague Age to Artistic Age. A lot of Pokemon characters suffer from Artistic Age. Heck, Red himself looks more like a teen than Misty does in ""FRLG''.
openMCU Tough Acts To Follow Film
YMMV.Doctor Strange 2016 has a Tough Act to Follow entry admitting that it didn't become as beloved as Captain America: Civil War, while YMMV.Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol 2 had a pre-release entry worrying that GotG 2 could become less beloved than the first movie, Civil War, and Doctor Strange. If GotG 2 does become more popular than Doctor Strange, how would we re-word this? I already tried adding, "Downplayed for viewers who don't consider Doctor Strange one of Marvel's best," but it got deleted for sounding too obvious.note Yes, I know Doctor Strange has a higher Rotten Tomatoes score, but I don't think it deserves a 90%.
EDIT: I thought of something myself.
Edited by dsneybufopenFake Star Wars Spoilers
So there's been a bit of a problem in the Star Wars Episode VIII thread with people posting unsubstantiated plot leaks for the movie. Sometimes they ask permission before posting them, sometimes they just post them. Apparently these leaks have been circulating Reddit. Is it possible to do anything about this? It is, at the very least, making myself and another thread regular (whom I discussed the matter with via PM before coming here) pretty uncomfortable.
openEdit War on Agents of SHIELD recap Live Action TV
This troper https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=Peeve
has basically started an edit war (last 3 edits) about what he personally sees as 'objective', despite the matter being present as the typical 'AI gains consciousnes and overthrows her creator' on the show, with Aida doing a lot of things clearly out of spite and self-interest, not just 'following her programming' and several tropers besides me see it the same way, so just deleting it is not very productive.
openArthur Western Animation
WJTaylor4, who frequently edits the YMMV.Arthur page really, really, really hates D.W. (and calls Arthur's parents by their first names even though they're rarely said in-show). Other oddities include a 'fandom rivalry' segment that's just fans of one thing picking on other fans. Plus grammar/spelling errors.
"Creator's Pet: Jane and David; being an educational 'toon, they're the "large and in charge" parents with no one calling them out for letting D.W. torment Arthur most of the time."
Fandom Rivalry: Ever since the rights to producing the show changed hands from Cookie Jar to Nine Story, the bronies have been picking on it and its fans. It appears that there are two groups of haters here- one being bitter about how Marc Brown chose to terminate Cookie Jar's rights and grant the rights to Nine Story instead of transferring the production rights to DHX (which is incidentally the company behind Fi M) when DHX bought up Cookie Jar, and another just sees Arthur as yet another show competing with Fi M for awards. It's easy to weed them out: those who dismiss Arthur for "not being as good since it changed production companies" fall into the former, while those that're downright condescending to the show (saying things like "You're/They're still making the show?" in a sarcastic tone) belong to the latter. "
" D.W.'s constant screaming and whining when getting on Arthur's case or when she's demanding something from others tends to get old pretty fast. D.W.'s voice in general even when she's not whining. "
"D.W. getting punched by Arthur and latere getting a swing smashed into her face, largely due to her being such an unlikable brat."
" D.W. throws a tremendous tantrum in "Arthur's Perfect Christmas" when she doesn't get the toy she wanted for Christmas, and spends several minutes screaming. It's honestly quite embarrassing especially since Dave and Jane don't do anything to stop their daughter. "
" The Tibble Twins are basically gender bender versions of D.W. and like D.W. they have no redeeming qualitiesJ who never get punished, and they're constantly roughhousing or arguing with each other."
" Take That, Scrappy!: DW finally getting punched out by Arthur in "Arthur's Big Hit". Also DW getting her face smashed in with swings by the Tibble twins in Attack of the Turbo Tibbles. "
" Unintentionally Unsympathetic: DW, in "Arthur's Big Hit" and in many, many others. Even in the episodes where she has some justifiable reason for being bratty, she tends to take it so far that it's impossible to sympathize with her. This is not made better by all the times she doesn't have an excuse, and just felt like being irritating - it makes her seem less like she's acting up because of the issue at hand and more like her already-horrible behavior is just being exacerbated by said issue. More than a few viewers cheered when the Tibble twins hit D.W. in the face with their swings in "Attack of the Turbo Tibbles", if only because she finally suffered some Laser-Guided Karma for all the crap she had pulled previously in the series. A number of viewers also cheered when Arthur punched D.W. for harassing him and then trashing his model plane in the aforementioned Arthur's Big Hit where in addition to being her usual annoying self she was stupid enough to think the model was a toy that could fly. It really says a lot for what a repulsive character DW is that even when she's attacked by a pair twins who are basically male versions of her the viewers actually cheer for the boys to rough her up. It also says a lot for just how lacking the boys are in redeeming qualities that their high point in the series is physically attacking a young girl the audience is expected to sympathize with but is so unlikable and repulsive that the boys violent actions against her are cheered and relished by the audience instead of being viewed as reprehensible."
Edited by lalalei2001openFire emblem Echoes
So there has has been what I'd consider small arguments in the Fire Emblem Gaiden pages over the character Faye. Basically whenever someone discusses her character in a semi negative light, other users come in and remove the entrees saying things like; "Stop hating on her it's silly". Yesterday this happened to me on the character section and while the entrees might of been negative, they were based off how the character was presented, and the removal had no good claim for it. On the the YMMV section those fans of hers are basically painting those who dislike her as exaggerating her flaws, which isn't true. Here's an example;
- Ron the Death Eater: Faye is not a perfect character, not by any shot, but the fandom greatly exaggerates her worst sides.
- The reverse is also true, with Faye detractors greatly exaggerating her flaws to make her feelings look inferior to Celica's "superior" ones. Again missing how neither girl is portrayed inherently on the right side, as described above: Faye's love isn't exactly pure, but Celica's is not as selfless as she believes at first.
TLDR; We might need the page examined because Faye supporters are basically policing anything related to her instead of discussing it.
Edited by keyblade333openPolish Translation?
Hello, this is Piterpicher. I would like to translate this wiki to Polish, and I know the translation forums exist, but the Polish translation topic hasn't gotten a reply for over a year, and I don't know if the people there are active. Should I try to find and contact them, do a post on that topic, make a new topic or simply start translating myself ? I think that it’s a good idea to make a Polish translation, and popularize this website with Poles and other people from West Europe so please, do not lock this question.
Edited by PiterpicheropenIncomplete Work Page Literature
I came across Literature.Rai Kirah today while checking my watchlist updates. It's a recently created page made by indigoazure
.. The issue here is that, at the time of this writing, there's no description for the work whatsoever. All it has is, and I quote, "(Also commonly written as Rai-Kirah). A fantasy series of three books by Carol Berg." and then a list of the three books in the trilogy. There's a few issues with the tropes themselves, the most glaring being three tropes listed on one bullet and whose context was quotations direct from the book itself. I just flat out deleted those and commented out anything else blatantly zero context. (EDIT: The editor has fixed the three on one bullet tropes by putting at least two as their own tropes with context)
I've sent the page creator a PM about fixing the description, specifically linking to How to Create a Work's Page and quoting the relevant portion to make the point. I'm mostly posting here, too, to have everything "on the record" so to speak in case any further action is needed later.
Edited by sgamer82open I've been looking for this for hours and I still don't know what it was! Film
This was either a film or an episode of a TV series but I distinctly remember a man walking around a hospital or something, and he kept hearing a little girl singing a creepy version of the Hush Little Baby nursery rhyme. By the end of fhe film/episode, the man tried to set himself on fire and I can't remember whether he was successful or not . . . I know this isn't much to go on at all, but if anybody has any wuggestions and nos to what it might be I would be very thankful.
openGeneral question about symbolism tropes
I'm having a bit of difficulty editing and helping with improving some symbolism-related tropes, since they do seem to be a bit open to interpretation. So, I have a question about the guidelines: for symbolism tropes, are examples drawn from fan-made analysis and/or interpretations acceptable as examples, or would they need to be something more concretely stated (either within the work itself or by an author in a supplementary resource, such as an interview)?
Edited by ClockworkUniverses

Whats the tv show or movie called about a black girl and guy who are married and have a black daughter, and the daughters boyfriend leaves her and goes to jail while she is pregnant and carrying the baby that her mom wants, but she is in love with her moms husband, and he likes her too but doesn't want the mom to know... the pregnant girl ends up getting hit by a car which the mom is driving because she wants the baby but she thinks that her daughter wants to keep it for herself..?