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openCan SisterTropes all be SuperTropes of the same SubTrope?
There's a TLP entry (Yellow Is Heroic) that states it is "A Super-Trope to Primary-Color Champion". My knee-jerk reaction was that this was wrong—I think of the Super-Trope, Sister Trope, and Sub-Trope distinctions as being a "tree" structure, where one Super-Trope can have multiple direct Sub Tropes (Sister Tropes to one another), but each group of Sister Tropes would have only one direct Super-Trope. This understanding is supported by the description of The Same But More Specific, which says that a Sub-Trope is something that is The Same But More Specific of the Super-Trope and serves a distinct narrative function.
However, upon digging around, I found that the existing trope Red Is Heroic makes the same claim about being "a" Super-Trope to Primary-Color Champion, while Primary-Color Champion itself states that it is a "A Sub-Trope of Good Colors, Evil Colors, Red Is Heroic and Blue Is Heroic." By contrast, Blue Is Heroic says "A Sub-Trope of Good Colors, Evil Colors. When Blue Is Heroic and Red Is Heroic are both applied to the same character you get a Primary-Color Champion."
To me, the description under Blue Is Heroic is the one that makes sense with the way I think of Super Tropes. Blue Is Heroic, Red Is Heroic, and Primary-Color Champion would all be Sub Tropes of Good Colors, Evil Colors, but Primary-Color Champion wouldn't be a Sub-Trope of either of the single-color tropes because it has a required element that is not covered either Red Is Heroic or Blue Is Heroic, namely the requirement to feature significant amounts of both red and blue rather than just one of the colors individually.
Which usage of Super Tropes is correct?
openJauneBlackSmudge is trying to pick a fight on the RWBY Fridge tab
Here are two of teh tree entries that Jaune Black Smudge put into the RWBY Fridge tab:
- Another reason why Ironwood blamed Ozpin for Beacon is his choice for Pyrrha. Think about it. Ozpin wanted to give the 'incredible' power of a Maiden to a 'seventeen year-old girl'. And she's also just a First Year Beacon Student, young and prone to recklessness and arrogance. Pyrrha might've been the strongest First Year Huntress-in-training at Beacon, but she was 'far' from being the strongest student in the school. At best, she was maybe as strong as a Second Year. But there are plenty of students older than her that could wreck her. Giving the Maiden's Power to her of all people seemed idiotic. After all, it's not like Ozpin has literally trained thousands of Huntresses over the years and could've simply asked one of them to become the Fall Maiden, given that they would be leagues stronger and mature and experienced than Pyrrha. Right? But no, he instead chose Pyrrha.
1. The Sarcasm Mode is made for humor and is used here to poke at the show. 2. This has been discussed to death by RWBY fans and back 3. He tries to imply an Idiot Ball when said character was a natural prodegy when the problem arose from a lack of experience and skill. 4. "ever so handy" is saracastic as well, just being a dick
- And this serves to bite Ozpin in the ass. The thought of that power and the possible loss of her idnetity overwhelms her and makes her feel insecure. And then she goes to fight Cinder in "End of the Beginning". Why? If Ozpin, widely believed to be one of the strongest Huntsmen in Vale, and possibly Remnant was defeated by the Fall Maiden Cinder, what the 'hell' made her believe that she could defeat her? You can see it in their fight when Cinder 'wrecks' Pyrrha. Has it never occurred to anyone that Cinder was toying with her, given that she could've easily blown up the entire floor of Ozpin's office with Pyrrha still in it? Literally, her sacrifice while heart-breaking, was utterly in vain and didn't really stop or slow Cinder at all. The only silver lining to her sacrifice was that it oh-so conveniently unlocked Ruby's Silver Eyes.
open Retroactive Recogntion Joke Film
I was wondering if there is a trope for a joke or reference that doesnt make much sense until alot later. I was looking at the Mallrats page in the Funny section. The original troper (and myself) didnt understand, or even hear, the Junior Masters and Johnson reference by TS. Now thanks to the tv show Masters of Sex - its easy to understand that TS was referencing the Masters and Johnson research team. So another way to ask the question - I have a friend who saw Spaceballs before she saw Empire Strikes back. Once she sees Empire - hopefully, more jokes will make sense. Is there a trope name for that?
open Is there a NON-supernatural [MUNDANE] counterpart to PsychoElectro?
TL;Dr: Is there a Trope for characters that like to play with electricity and in the process happen to blow stuff up? Psycho Electro doesn't seem to apply since that's about supernatural power.
So I am editing a movie [Vet Hard, but unless you're Dutch or Flemish it will probably be very obscure to you] and it features a character that just likes to play with electricity, with disastrous results. There's nothing supernatural about this at all; it's just a character that has an obsession to "wire things up" and happens to often electrocute himself in the process, or sometimes cause a fire (but the latter is totally secundary / coincidentally, thus it's not a case of Pyromaniac). I originally labelled this character Pyromaniac, but upon better reading the description of that trope, that applies to supernatural powers. So what would be the trope for a character obsessed with playing with electricity and in the process blowing stuff up - in a totally NON-supernatural way?
openPage for one's own fanfiction?
I know self-recs or the Recommendation-pages aren't allowed but there's a user who made a whole page for what appears to be their own fanfic (Troper: Haley Sawyer 101, author: Haley Sawyer) and linked it on the general "Main/Fanfic" page, is that allowed..?
Edited by IvarynaopenProblematic Zero-Context Example
[[tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=Segal 991 Segal 991]] tried to fill a previously commented-out Zero Context Example in Characters.Banjo Kazooie by merely adding "Just look at her" to Ms. Fanservice (the involved character is Humba Wumba). I commented it out back because that said absolutely nothing on whether the trope (for starters, the trope has to be addressed In-Universe, i.e. the work itself has to deliberately portray the character as Fanservice-rife). Then the troper uncommented it and the only difference is that the text was marginally expanded: "Just look at her! Quite the sexy and cute one, isn't she?". That not only contains the same problem I mentioned before, but now it reads even more natter-y and lewd-like than ever.
I'm having the urge to comment it out again or even remove it under the reasoning that the game simply makes not effort at highlighting the "fanservice" aspect of the character. Unfortunately, doing just that would probably qualify as an Edit War so I'm bringing the issue here. I had already sent a ZCE Issue Helper to Segal upon the first offense so I don't think doing it again will help.
openRecap.EmeraldCity Live Action TV
A few of the Emerald City recap pages had improper Wiki Words, so I put them on the cutlist with a note that they needed to be recreated under the proper Wiki Word. The cutmaster cut them, but didn't restore them, and now the history is gone so I can't do it myself. This is especially odd as I also requested the same thing for a Recap.The Flash 2014 recap page, and it was done correctly there.
openIndexing characters in quotes page?
So, I came from the Quotes wiki forum, and I asked them if characters can be indexed in the quotes pages. They told me to ask here. The characters are Goku Black and Zamasu My Future Self and Me
Edited by Tomodachiopen Is this a case of "Character as himself" or not?
The 7th Heaven page features the entry:
- Character as Himself: In this case, the ever suffering Happy the Dog...plays Happy the Dog. She got starring billing for her stirring role playing a common housedog, though her Emmy submissions always seemed to be rejected.
Seems to me the only reason the above entry was created was because this dog happened to be called "Happy" both In-Universe and in Real Life; and isn't any non-human animal character "playing themselves" by definition, thus making the above entry too People Sit On Chairs / Captain Obvious?
open Diablo-like (videogame genre) Videogame
I'd like to create this page: Diablo-like (videogame genre) ...how can I do it? following is the text i'd like to put in the page. I submitted it to wikipedia but it doesn0t provide enough sources...although i think it makes sense.
Diablo-like is a video game subgenre, combining hack
and slash and action role-playing game gameplay, named
after the Diablo series.
A Diablo-like (also called in the pejorative sense a
Diablo-clone) features all this specifications at the same
time:
• Isometric/top down field of view
• Real-time, action combat
• Emphasis put on mouse use (movement, main attack,
interaction with scenario - "point-and-click")
• Loot: wearable items, quest items, power-ups, gold,
etc. (usually pickable by click on a text label: different
colors, different rarity/quality)
• Character development: leveling leads to increase of
stat/skill points, many classes available
• A single player character (as opposed to party control
seen in role-playing games)
The main focus of the game itself is not on a deep storyline,
relations with npcs or plot twists, like in other rpg
subgenres, but instead great emphasis is put on the sheer
“power” growth of the player-controlled character: improving
its performance (meticulously monitored through
mathematical parameters, like DPS or int/dex/str/vit).
This subgenre usually shows great replayability value,
because to reach top level with a character, multiple
playthroughs are required (Diablo 3 allows an adventure
mode, playing an alternate gamemode instead of replaying
the main campaign).
The possibility of creating multiple characters, each with
different stat/skills’ assignation, extends further the game
lasting appeal.
Notable titles:
• Sacred series
• Nox
• Fate series
• Titan Quest
• Grim Dawn
• Path of Exile
• Darkstone: Evil Reigns
• The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing
• Loki: Heroes of Mythology
• Deathspank
• Kult: Heretic Kingdoms
• Legend: Hand of God
• Torchlight
1 References
• http://www.escapistmagazine.com/
articles/view/features/galleryoftheday/
17094-Eight-Diablo-like-Alternatives
• https://www.diablowiki.net/Diablo_clone
• http://www.giantbomb.com/
profile/wastelanderone/lists/
ginormous-list-of-diablo-clones/74701/
• http://twinfinite.net/2017/01/
7-diablo-clones-that-wont-disappoint-you/
• https://www.engadget.com/tag/diablo-clone/
• http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php
?
term=diablo%20clone
• http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/
2014-11-17-lost-ark-is-the-best-diablo-3-clone-you-cant-play
openIron Fist Live Action TV
From Series.Iron Fist 2017:
- Mighty Whitey: Averted. In the words of Scott Buck, "I can say most definitively Danny Rand is no white savior. He’s trying to save himself, if anything." If it's like the comics, Danny is just the latest IF, most of which were Asian.
Considering a) the last sentence sounds like speculation, and b) the premise of the show seems to boil down to "white guy fulfills his destiny and saves New York from evil Asian ninjas", do those sound like valid reasons to delete this entry until further notice?
Edited by dsneybufopenHero of Another Story Videogame
On the trope page for Mental Omega, a troper added an example for Hero of Another Story which I removed since I don't consider to be valid (since the heroes in question are also playable characters in their own right) but he didn't agree and added it back for this reason: 'reputting because said I watch and played the game and saw it myself'. I'm not very sure about who's right and I don't want to start an Edit War over this issue.
openStatistics sources Anime
Hi, Was reading the trope page of 'This Bites' by the Cross-Brain Group (Xomniac, CV 12 Hornet and The Patient One) and it was mentioned that 'This Bites' is the number 1 rated One piece fic, the number rated Self-Insert fic and the number 9 (or 7) fic overall on Fanfiction.net. Was wondering if you could send me a link to the source page you got your statistics from?
openSargon of Akkad (Again)
So a while ago, we discussed whether or not to delete several vlogger pages based on the idea that the vloggers were just people talking about things and not creating a work.
At the time, it was argued that Sargon Of Akkad should be allowed because he occasionally does Let's Plays of videogames. But, a recent editor stated that (in the words of Sargon himself) the channel we're troping here is his "shitposting" one, in which he makes political statements or rants against groups he dislikes. If that's true, should the matter be revisited?
(FYI, I fully admit to not watching, agreeing with or particularly liking Sargon. So I will recuse myself from the discussion.)
open Please help with the title Film
So there is this old cartoon about a little guy or maybe an insect who has a friend dog. Nobody else can hear him. He once got trapped in a bubble, he made shows and played every character himself, he lived in a clock I think. It's not popular tho. So maybe someone knows what I'm talking about???
openMy Troper Page
Hello, I am trying to start a Troper page for myself and I would like to know if there are some guidelines I have to follow when doing these sort of things.
open Massive Shoehorn and Complain On Esoteric Happy Ending.
- Gravity Falls ends with Dipper and Mabel reconciling and mended their rift from the previous events. However, the events where Mabel give the Rift to Blendin which directly caused the apocalypse in the first place and the reason she did it was never addressed, giving the impression that Mabel never really learned anything from her selfishness or her All Take and No Give relationship with her brother, especially since Dipper ended up having to sacrifice his apprenticeship with Ford just to get her out of Mableland. As a result, the future between the two is highly uncertain and they could even end up having a massive falling out much like Stan and Ford as a result of Mabel's selfishness.
I think this isnt kosher...or is it? I hope to get some consensus here.
openTo Cut or Not to Cut Anime
While adding an entry to Cross Player, I noticed that several entries for the .hack animes were in the video game folder. While moving them to the correct places, and adding namespaced links because they weren't there already, I discovered something odd.
The .hack//Roots anime doesn't actually have a page. I wouldn't sweat this normally, just add a Anime/DotHackRoots redlink and let wiki magic to the rest (I don't know the series well enough myself to trope it). That's when I saw it didn't redlink. Looking into that, it took me to an "inexact title" page w here I discovered while there's no page for the anime, there is a Tearjerker.Dot Hack Roots connected to both the main TearJerker.Anime And Manga page and to TearJerker.Dot Hack.
Given that there's no work page for it to go with, I was thinking Cut the Tearjerker.Dot Hack Roots while moving the content over to a folder in TearJerker.Dot Hack so it isn't just lost and can possibly be moved later if a .hack//Roots page does come up later.However, I wanted to double check that this was the right process or that there wasn't some other step I should look into before submitting the page to be Cut.
openNRLEP Trope Confusion
The reason for (Was it Really) Worth It? being listed in No Real Life Examples, Please! before the categorization overhaul, has said "Attracts soapboxing, provincialism, and self-indulgence". What did it mean by these? Can you also define these three TV Tropes terms?
Edited by MitchellProductions

I can partially picture a scene but can't remember which show it's from and it's driving me nuts! The protagonist is a woman, old enough to be established in her career I believe, but maybe has been laid off recently or for some reason that's "not her fault" not working. She is a writer and considers herself to be a serious writer. She's been courted by a blog (I think, or a vlog) startup that is run by someone who I think she knows from a past life, who is much younger and she finally gives up and is desperate and calls them back and schedules an interview. When she gets there she expects to just be handed the job and the owner sits down with her and asks whether she's prepared samples and tells her to "sell me on you working here." The protagonist is taken aback because she sort of felt like she was deigning to interview in the first place. Ultimately she has nothing prepared and the owner walks her to the elevators and I think she gets a call on the way out the door saying they went in a different direction.