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open Laconic / Inverted Trope
So, there's a fun little self-demo convention with Laconic versions of "Playing With" pages. Wherever possible, that little note included in the write-up of most Laconics that says "Visit unabridged version here" is treated like the trope at hand; for example, Subverted Trope has the words, but no link (raising the expectation of there being a link, but there isn't one). Averted Trope doesn't even have the words. On other pages where it merits mentioning, references to the "Main" tab are made, such as with Justified Trope, which states that it's good to have the link here, because most tropers don't know about the "Main" tab. Alas, with this page, that convention is put aside for a rather lame Sdrawkcab Name version of the words. I'd like to be a bit more creative than that. So, is it at all possible to.. say.. change the text in this page's "Main" tab to "Visit unabridged version here"?
openQuestion about edit on No Dub For You
Previously, TheNohrianDarkKnight changed an entry about Tokyo Mirage Sessions ♯FE on No Dub for You to read: "Bill Trinen of NoA claimed this was done in order to match the Japanese feel of the game, though some feel that the localizers just didn't care due to the game not being a hot seller in Japan itself."
I changed it to get rid of the attempt to shoehorn in They Just Didn't Care since they did not provide the necessary citations. They then changed it to read: "According to Bill Trinen of NoA, this game does not have a dub in order to match the Japanese feel of the game, though some think this was actually due to the game's not-so successful run in Japan."
Is the example valid? I get the feeling that it was worded that way to try to hint that Bill Trinen is lying and that Weasel Words are involved, and I wanted to be sure if speculating on such things on that page is allowed.
Edited by dragonfire5000openArchEnemy Anime
Hello,
Me and another troper are having a disagreement about an Arch-Enemy entry on https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/DragonBallSuper
.
This is the entry in question:
- He's also beginning to shape up as one to Vegeta as well, considering that Vegeta has made it a point to come after and kill him after Black went after his family. Black returns none of these feelings and just see Vegeta as a Warm-Up Boss.
The 'he' in this case is Black. The disagreement is whether Vegeta sees Black as an Arch-Enemy. I think he does because Vegeta has shown several times that he wants to kill Black for killing Future Bulma and tormenting Future Trunks. He even says that he will pay after isolating himself in Episode 51. The other trope doesn't think Vegeta holds a personal grudged since his reaction seemed mild compared to Goku and Frieza. Which isn't really valid in my opinion.
So, I would like to get some feedback on what others think.
openNo Title
The trope isn't very clear on what it takes to be "like a Nazi". One paragraph states: "Common elements include a black- or brown-uniformed paramilitary political force with simple geometric emblems on their arms, centering on one person as the supreme leader heavily guarded by his black shirted longcoat-wearing minions. Their ideology typically consists of the leader constantly shrieking, "We are the Master Race/Species! We will reign supreme! We will crush all who oppose us! All inferiors shall submit or/and die! Hail Victory!". To that end, they will commit the most hideous of crimes in a heartbeat, and the only thing that will get them to stop is unyielding force."
Are all of these a hard checklist, or interchangeable criteria? For example, the Brotherhood of Steel from Fallout 4 checks off a few of them. Their members wear either brown
◊ or grey
, their logo is simple and geometric
, they are centered on a single supreme leader
◊, who encourages human-supremacy
◊ and the cleansing of ArtificialHuman synths and mutants
◊, even if they only want to be left alone. And the only way to stop them is by through outright force.
The thing is, most of those criteria existed in the previous games as well. It's just that the Brotherhood under the reign of Elder Maxson has taken their xenophobia and militarism Up To Eleven.
More generally, though, the trope itself seems to miss the point of what makes Nazis...well...Nazis. Thanks to Pop Culture Osmosis, nearly every villain of the past 50 years fits this description, but many that should (like, in my opinion, the Brotherhood) are in too much of a "grey area".
Edited by NubianSatyressopenTo delete or not? "Please don't flood this page with feminist propaganda. Keep it on Tumblr. "
Found this sentence as a subullet on Fridge.Metroid, and I am currently debating with myself if it should be deleted or not.
Edited by MorningStar1337openI hope I'm not being a bit sensitive here, but something on the TVT's FB page just bugged me
So, over on the Facebook page, there's a post for Unsettling Gender-Reveal accompanied by a Cyanide and Happiness featuring just that. Now, (along with a lot of the rest of the trans population) it happens to be one of my least favourite tropes (for obvious reasons), but the article itself tackles the trope quite respectfully; mentioning the real life consequences and how it's loaded with Values Dissonance.
Unfortunately, it seems that whoever's running the Facebook account's decided to respond to people discussing the very same Unfortunate Implications in the comments with a "Triggered" meme (one featuring a caricature of a TERF, no less). That's...really not the sort of thing I want to see directed at myself as a transwoman, or being used to represent me as a troper.
openSchool Study Media
I've noticed School Study Media in trope lists on works pages (basically to say "this work is assigned in schools"). I'm sure that's wrong, but should School Study Media be trivia or just an index? The page itself doesn't make it clear.
I know this needs fixing, just not sure what kind.
Edited by DracMonsteropenWrong namespace
VideoGame.Marvel DC Crisis Of Infinite Brands need to be moved to Darth Wiki since it's stated to be a fan project. (The page itself could use an overhaul as well.)
open 90's Tv special
Looking for the name of a tv special that was aired i think on CBC perhaps. It was aired a few years in a row in the 1990's. I remember that there was a young boy likely 10 or 12 who was troubled.. had mental health issues and liked playing with fire. He would hide himself in this little closet and make drawings of dark/satanic photos on the closet walls. I remember he got playing with fire and the place caught on fire. The song Crimson and Clover was playing at this time.
open Giant Spiders
On the Giant Spiders page, Spider Riders is a ZCE and The Hobbit has an indentation problem.
My connection is so bad right now, I'm afraid I'll inadvertently sic Data Vampires on the page if I do the edits myself. :( Please help?
openInfinity War Tough Act To Follow Film
From YMMV.Avengers Infinity War:
- Tough Act to Follow: Inevitably, any subsequent "event" movie in the MCU will have a hard time topping this, considering the sheer scale involved. The movie itself has to live up to the hype surrounding preceding critically-acclaimed MCU movies, including Iron Man, The Avengers, Captain America: The Winter Soldier, Guardians of the Galaxy, and Captain America: Civil War. Comparisons to the Russo-directed Captain America movies - both of which have received stronger critical and public reception than Avengers: Age of Ultron did - feel especially inevitable.
Since it feels too early to call Infinity War truly amazing, would anyone mind if I shortened the entry to this:
- Tough Act to Follow: The movie has to live up to the hype surrounding preceding critically-acclaimed MCU movies, with comparisons to the Russo-directed Captain America movies - The Winter Soldier and Civil War, both of which have received stronger critical and public reception than Avengers: Age of Ultron did - feeling especially inevitable.
openIs ElectricBlackGuy flexible enough to have Raoul of MegamanBattleNetwork as an example?
Is Electric Black Guy flexible enough to have Raoul of Mega Man Battle Network as an example? He can't make electricity himself, but has a Net Navi (Think Familiar) that controls electricity
Edited by MaladyopenQuestion
Why was the main page for Allen Gregory squeezed out into a shell of its former self? I can understand getting rid of critical reception in the main description but nearly all the descriptive explanations of tropes are now in a Beige Prose.
Edited by FromtheWordsofBRopenEdit War in DeaderThanDisco.RealLife
The Deader Than Disco cleanup thread
recently replaced the DeaderThanDisco.Real Life page with a sandboxed version that cut out many, many, MANY examples of misuse, shoehorning, and general complaining. Troper Jhonny took it upon himself to restore several cut entries. I re-deleted them with an edit reason inviting him to join us in that thread if he wished to argue for their reinstatement.
He did so, and when he couldn't gin up any support for his arguments, took it upon himself to restore one of the cut entries anyway.
Edited by HighCrateopen"Bad" Comics for Inspiration? Webcomic
Here's the sitch - I've got me this fantasy story. The main character is your typical determined hero who is optimistic, a bit on the uncouth side, and not necessarily the brightest academic wise (but very knowledgeable in the emotional departments). It takes place in a grand fantasy world and follows this character and her troupe of friends in a slice-of-life/comedy/adventure story thats main priorities are character and situation interactions. How will ——- and ——- deal with ——-? What does ——- really think of ——-? How will ——- react when they find out ——-'s secret? Things like that.
While making this, I was inspired by comics like One Piece and Fairy Tail, two series that I enjoyed because of how much the characters and the world entertained me. The richness of the fictional worlds, the character's personalities and emotions, the relationships and their effects on others, and the problem-solving skills used when facing a formidable foe are all very interesting to me and things I really want to focus on. However, I've recently discovered that these comics, the ones that led me to identify all that I wanted in my own, are being criticized for lacking depth, being too generic, and overall just being bad. I'm not a critic myself, and I'm fairly new to storytelling. I just want to make a good, well-written story that lets people feel good while reading it, something fun for people to read. But if I were to adhere to a similar formula as these, if I were to take inspiration from these stories and make what I'd like...Would that be bad? Would nobody like it? Would it be shallow of me as a writer?
What elements from stories like these would I want to avoid? What are these weak points I hear about? Should I even be looking at these for inspiration? I just want to make a story that entertains people, and I can't do that if it's filled to the brim with flaws and writing cliches. Nobody would like it, and I can't stand producing things of poor quality. It wouldn't be any fun to do.
Edited by JambeeBeauxopenLuke Cage YMMV Entry Live Action TV
- Tough Act to Follow: Given the universal acclaim of the previous Marvel Netflix entries, this show will have very high expectations going in. Not helped in the least by Daredevil's second season airing earlier in the same year.
Now that the show has actually come out, this sounds like it could use an update. (Plus, the part suggesting that Daredevil season 2 could become a Tough Act to Follow sounds Harsher in Hindsight.) I can't perform the update myself, because I haven't seen the show yet, and have thus tried to avoid reading reviews in detail.
openIndexing Character Sub-Sheets
Should supplementary Character Sheets be italicized in indexes? Generally, these sub-sheets are named after characters from a work rather than the work itself, so why should Superman or the protagonists of The Hunger Games be italicized in indexes?

Hi all. I'm fairly certain the answer to my own question is Survivor Guilt, but I think that is a bit more broad than the example.
I'm referring to a season 2 episode of The Newsroom, where Maggie recounts her harrowing experience in Africa; the orphanage where she is sleeping is attacked by cattle raiders and she and the other adults evacuate the kids onto a school bus. Turns out, one of the kids was left behind, so she went back into the orphanage to get him, and carried him out on her back. But while heading back to the bus, her colleague dropped his camera, causing her to turn around... just as a gunshot meant for her hits the kid in the back, killing him.
This event is why she spends the entirety of the season in a state of Heroic BSoD, and I'm trying to determine if there's a trope here beside simple Survivor Guilt. There's an element of Failure-to-Save Murder, in that she tried and failed to save the kid, but it's not that, because nobody blames her for the kid's death... except herself.
I could take this to the TLP, but as I'm not even sure how to distinguish this from the two tropes mentioned, or if there are even any other examples, I thought I'd ask here.
Edited by ginsengaddict