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open Undertale-related Edit War Videogame
It looks like there's something going on in Video Games regarding Undertale. Now I don't know that much about Undertale itself, but Buttersilk did leave a pretty rude edit comment on putting his entry back.
open Complaining About A Game They Don't Like
Buttersilk added an example to Broken Aesop.Videogames for Undertale stating that the game's pacifist aesop is broken because the player is criticized for killing a single person (even in self defense), thus locking them out of the Golden Ending. I deleted this and stated in the notes that it's not a Broken Aesop because the game doesn't discredit itself for making its point. The point of the game is that killing is bad, even IF done in self defense, and that people should try to find another way, no matter how hard it is. As such, I'd state that it's probably a naive or unrealistic aesop, but one the game sticks by.
Buttersilk then replies with a rant about how the game's writing sucks and forces you to "endorse its hypocrisy".
So yeah, I think someone's a little upset.
openNew Self Demonstrating page
Someone just made a Self Demonstrating Page for The Riddler.
Edited by SeptimusHeapopenRetcon-based tropes and Contiunity Reboot
Are tropes that are described as variants of the Retcon trope (e.g. Revision, Rewrite) also applicable to Continuity Reboot, which describes itself as a close relative to Retcon?
open Schwarzenmarken: Selfish Love Anime
I feel some of the points made contradicted one another and the fact that selfish love is a very loose term that technically can be interpreted differently. As I felt her love wasn't all that selfish as if you saw your crush falling for someone else I think many people would become selfish. So what is your definition of selfish love and why did you believe she was since I never got the feeling that she wanted to own him.
Edited by F4LIXopenSelf-Demonstrating Example vs. Zero-Context Example Videogame
Are any character tropes considered self-demonstrating? I'm working on a Characters page with over 70 characters and am starting to feel like a lot of examples/clarification I've been providing is reaching natter levels.
For example: Dark Skinned Blonde: Skin as black as night. You Gotta Have Blue Hair: Light blue with a single braid combined with Peek A Bangs. etc.
The bottom line is, am I doing this correctly?
openWhy is Joker's Main!Injustice page SelfDemonstrating? Videogame
It's annoying and deters away anyone who wants to read his character page in third person. Keep all the Self-Demonstrating styles to where they belong like SelfDemonstrating.The Joker.
openPossible natter?
A recent attempt at cleaning up Bloom County before I stepped in, as I soon discovered, could've caused at least part of an example to look like Natter:
- Art Evolution: Look at any comic from 1980, then look at any comic from 1984, and then look at any comic from 1989. The differences are striking. More specifically, the art was very blobby and scratchy in the very first year, and then it started to ape Doonesbury for a while (something that even Berke Breathed himself admits to). Over time, it gradually became much finer and clearer, with Berke putting more detail into his inking and even crosshatching at times. The fine, crosshatched style carried over to successor Outland, and by the time he made Opus, he even changed up his coloring style drastically. Lampshaded by Opus on the back cover of one of the omnibus editions, where he complains about how the book shows how his nose has grown, like some big ol' goiter.
I've commented the whole trope out on that page until we can figure out how to better correct this example.
open Is it okay to remove Awesome moments? Western Animation
There's an entry over in Popeye that sounds awesome at first- Popeye beating up a jerk and helping out a poor kid- until one realizes that it's a pure Designated Hero moment for Popeye himself as the guy was being a jerk but not being a criminal whereas Popeye himself considers committing multiple crimes (assault, destruction of property, theft) a "good deed." It feels like such a cringe-worthy moment for the legacy of such a great character that I brought it up in the Discussion page there but I'm not holding my breath for any replies. YMMV, of course. I just want to make sure it's okay to do so with good reason as I've had people remove things I've added to Awesome pages in the past since they edited based on their point of view.
openSelf Promotion
Is this type of self-promotion allowed?
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=VideoGame.StarcraftII
openAlteration in AllLovingHero
ading altered the following example in All-Loving Hero: "* Ender's Game:" Ender Wiggin loves everyone, including the Buggers he's trying to kill. His friends semi-worship him." to "Ender's Game: Ender Wiggin claims, and believes, that he loves even his enemies. Doesn't stop him from brutally murdering them all, though. While most of it is in self-defence, there's also instances where he beats people who were only nuisances to death, including the first bully he kills in the book."
Opinions?
Edited by MagBasopenUgh...! Western Animation
Just look at this grammar!
From Making Fiends:
- Production Posse: Peter Merryman is the voice of Amy Winfrey's Big Bunny. Amy Winfrey herself, who has also done voices in her other cartoons.
I dealt with it via one of my usual manners: commented it out until a way could be found to salvage this mess.
openHow Long Should I Wait to Avoid an Edit War?
A troper named Schonberg made an edit on Characters.One Piece Major Allies changing the names of two characters from their official English translations to their Japanese names. This has happened a couple times already so, due to the Edit War potential, I've held off on reverting. I've sent the troper a PM regarding the change and addressing the points made in his edit reason, also posting those rebuttals in the page's discussion (which I started preemptively hoping to avoid this situation), while also linking to said discussion and a Style Rules thread being worked on in the forums sparked by the last time this came up.
Been a couple days with no response. Not a problem in itself, just me being impatient. My concern, looking at the Schonberg's edit history
, are twofold. One it looks like he's active on roughly a monthly basis, so I'm not sure if my pm will get a response if that pattern holds. Two, he's made such edits before involving these characters, so if I revert, the edit war potential is high and I don't want to get caught up in it and more than I can help.
My current plan is to wait until at least Friday or Saturday (about five days from the initial pm). If there's no response by then, will I be okay reverting the page back to the English names without being one half of an Edit War? Or should I report here as I am doing and leave the reversion to someone like a mod?
openFonzie from Happy Days is evil?
Only answer this if you are a Happy Days fan. The description of Spell My Name with a "The" begins with "Some people insist on putting a "the" at the beginning of their names, avoid these people at all costs", and Fonzie calls himself THE Fonz. Does that mean he is evil?
openWhen to give upon a page Videogame
Some of the pages noted as needing wiki magic just end up... lingering. For years without being fixed. In particular, I'm asking about things like Dark Angael; its three tropes are an aversion that shouldn't have been listed on there in the first place, a ZCE, and flat out incorrect- calling something 'Angael' instead of 'Angel' isn't British English as far as I'm aware, it's My Nayme Is. I've never played the game myself, so I can't help add anything to it, it'll just be even more of a stub if I take off the ZCE and the aversion.
It's been on the Needs Wiki Magic Love index, and nothing's been added or changed for years. What's the policy for these kind of things- how long are they given on the Needs Wiki Magic Love before they're cut?
openSelfDemonstrating.Pilot still shows up on top bar? Webcomic
If you go to any pages for the webcomic Pilot, it stills shows a link to the long-deleted Self Demonstrating page. Is this supposed to happen? Is there a way to get rid of it?
openCharacter pages for shows without fictional characters
The character page for Tokyo Encounter came up because it features what it claims are examples of Hey Its That Voice as an in-universe trope. However, I wonder if the page itself shouldn't be cut because it's troping Real Life people who aren't playing fictional characters on the show.
openRecap page without works page? Live Action TV
I've come across an old draft of mine, which was to be a recap for an episode of a Genre Anthology. I'd like to finish and post it, but I'm hesitating because the show itself doesn't have a page. My focus really has been just on that one episode, and I don't think I know the series itself well enough to list many overall tropes for it or to give a description that's better than a stub.
So: Would it be okay to set up an episode list in the Recap namespace, install that one recap (once it's completed) there, and work up a page for the Series namespace at a later date? Or should the Series page exist first?
Edited by MasoTey

I can only access the Internet on my phone right now, which is why I'm not fixing this myself. Somebody mistakenly added a "Mr. Otterton" folder to the Characters.Zootopia page when there was already an "Emmett Otterton" folder. Can someone who has access to a connection with a computer please merge any non-duplicated information from the "Mr. Otterton" folder to the "Emmett Otterton" folder?