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openNo Title Literature
I was surprised at how few tropes the Maze Runner series had, until I tried to add one myself and found out many more of them are there, just hidden, with this message at the top of the individual edit pages:
"Zero Context Example entries are NOT allowed on wiki pages. All such entries have been commented out. Add context to the entries before uncommenting them."
What's the point of this? I've never seen it on any other pages I read or edited. Some of the "commented out" tropes DO have examples, and even if they don't, sometimes it's not even necessary because you can tell that someone is an Action Girl without listing every single Action Girly thing she's ever done. Can this be removed?
Edited by TheMoonopenNo Title
Hi guys. I came across the YMMV page for TomSka and I found this entry.
- Alternative Character Interpretation: Tom himself. Is he a struggling Woobie comedic genius who tries his best to be honest with his fans, tries to be a better person and is brought down by his illness, or a Jerkass who pushes people away and blames his personal shortcomings on depression rather than face his own hypocritical tendencies
Is this sort of stuff okay? I'm hesitant to delete YMMV stuff but I'm not sure whether getting into mental illness is a good thing for this site to do. Perhaps I'm being over-sensitive, let me know if I am.
openNo Title Videogame
Any chance of someone adding a Nightmare Fuel page to the Phantasy Star series? There's quite a few creepy moments if I do say so myself.
open No Title Webcomic
Any links to Paranatural formatted as Webcomic/Paranatural don't work, it has to be Para Natural instead, even though the page itself shows that's incorrect. Can anything be done about it?
closed Self-referential YMMV page
Spangooner created a seemingly self-referential YMMV page at Spangooner. I've sent a PM but the page is a wreck, so I'd like to know if it would be appropriate to go ahead and submit it to the cutlist.
openmoshimoshi44's context issues
On New Girl under Cringe Comedy moshimoshi44 added a Zero Context Example. I sent him a PM and he added some context but I didn't see how the cringe situation was comedic and told him that. He wrote back saying the example by itself is fine, but this is turning literally a Don't Explain the Joke situation. Does the joke need to be explained in Cringe Comedy? Also I told him the phrase, "are made of this" is Word Cruft before he wrote to me but he didn't take it out.
openQuestion about YouKnowWhoSaidThat.
So, if a character asks You Know Who Said That?, but instead of using it to illustrate how important their point is, they're actually using it as Self-Deprecation because the "who" is some total nobody... is that subverted? Or still played straight?
open Film about a shrunken man
I just watched this on TV and would love to review it or do a TVT page it, but guess what- I missed the title. so now I'm trying here. In the movie, which I think was made for TV, a toy company executive is somehow shrunken to the size of a doll (apparently, by the 'imaginary' friend of one of his employees, for being a dick.) Of course, he ends up having to live with her until he proves himself worthy of growing up again. And of course they fall in love. if anyone knows what I mean, please post here.
openRemove "Genre Box" in Text Formatting Rules?
Quick question: In Text Formatting Rules, there's a section on "Genre Box". As the section itself says, "This markup is outdated; please remove it wherever you see it."
I can't remember the last time I've seen that markup, and I'm pretty sure it doesn't exist anywhere on the wiki anymore. Is it fine to cut it? That page is already way too long.
openDragonBall Tropes A to D
Hello, me and another troper are having a slight disagreement on the DragonBall.Tropes A To D page.
I wrote this entry awhile ago:
Beware the Nice Ones: Goku is genuinely one of the nicest people in the series. However, if you hurt or worse kill those he cares for he will hunt you down and put the hurt on you. Also, Goku was far less merciful as a kid, having no problem killing those who made him angry. The downfall of the Red Ribbon Army and King Piccolo can vouch for that.
Troper Tobias Drake erased it because as they put it: Does Goku really count as "nice"? Refraining from cruelly harming people for selfish pleasure isn't exactly a high bar to meet; by that measure, nearly every character in the series is a "nice one". The trope describes a "nice one" as sweet, polite, gentle, and peaceful. None of these adjectives can be applied to Goku.
Goku is all these things, except for polite and that is because he is naive and most of the time don't know any better. He is peaceful and only acts in violent when his love ones are hurt and he is a sweet character.
We had another disagreement on Beam-O-War. They claimed the example I gave didn't counter because 'The Kamehameha between Goku and Kame-sennin didn't do this. Their beams collided, immediately exploded, and knocked them both backwards.'
I pointed out that they canceled each other out so it was a tie, but it was still a Beam-O-War. The battle in question is even listed on the troper page.
While I am here there is something else I want to address. The same troper erased Krillin from the Butt-Monkey example with the edit, 'Characters who struggle with problems here and there but usually overcome them like Goku and Krillin are also not Butt Monkeys, nor are characters who bring bad karma on themselves through their own actions like Kame-sennin'. I put the example of Krillin back explaining why he is the Butt-Monkey, but knowing this troper they may challenge it so I might as well get opinions here on this subject. Also, do you need to be a recurring character to be a Butt-Monkey?
Edited by Ramona122003openEdit war on Characters.RWBYMonstersAndEnemies
Over the issue of putting a folder title in spoilers. Last I recall, there are to be no spoilers marks in a character folder title, name, and introductory paragraph, am I right? Walking Spoiler characters get a different treatment by putting the words "Spoiler Character" in the folder instead of their actual name if and only if the name itself is spoileriffic (as in, the mere mention of the name spoils a heavy part of the plot).
open TenuousVermian
Tenuous Vermian has been making a pest of himself, spamming all over the site asking about how to buy a vest that some character in a TV show wears, making new posts instead of replying to or editing his old ones, and is continuing to do this even after having proper procedure explained to him multiple times by multiple tropers, including myself.
openEdit War on WesternAnimation.Marsupilami
I wasn't entirely sure an edit war is actually what's going on over the WesternAnimation.Marsupilami page, because for the most part it looks like the same troper is edit-warring with himself... but now there is at least two tropers involved... maybe they'd need to explain themselves a bit.
Edited by SeptimusHeapopenProperly sourcing quotes, even if they are
So a long time ago, I edited the introductory quote on the VideoGame.The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword page to actually display the quote's source as "Fi, The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword". However, someone else essentially undid my edit, with the edit reason of "Yes, obviously."
I argue that the quote's source is not necessarily obvious to a reader (particularly one unfamiliar with the series). A quote like that could have easily been pulled from a Skyward Sword-based fan-work (in which the quote's selection would be due to accurately fitting/describing the work in question) or from Fi's portrayal from a Skyward Sword commercial, rather than from the game itself. There are also examples of some works using quotes that are related to the work's concept yet not derived from the work itself - an example is apparent on VideoGame.New Super Mario Bros 2, which relies on a Toonami quote that seems to fittingly emphasize the coin-collecting nature of that game. Without the quote properly being sourced, if you are unfamiliar with the Super Mario series and/or Toonami, one could think that the quote is from the game itself.
Anyways, my main question is: should introductory quotes for a given work be sourced, even if the quote's source is perceived as "obvious" by some people? Thanks for the help.
Edited by fenyx4openMain Wicks on a Troper Page
Lord Blumiere has links to the main page form of Super Paper Mario, NiGHTS (although the proper link should be NiGHTS into Dreams…), The Insanity Roleplay Series and Ni GHTS Games Roleplay Forum. I'm saying this here because it's a troper page, so only mods and the troper herself can fix those. (And also because I don't know where else I should say this.)
The namespacing war goes on and on, doesn't it?

This has been a pet peeve of mines for awhile, but can we please do something about Self-Demonstrating page for Deadpool. I general don't have a problem with self demonstration pages, but all the links for Deadpool go straight to this self demonstration page instead of the official trope page. It is actually quite annoying since this problem doesn't seem to exist with any other character.
Edited by Ramona122003