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Hello,
Larkmarn and me are having a disagreement on Dragon Ball Original Series Villains and we hope you can help us settle it.
The disagreement is rather King Piccolo falls under the trope the The Bad Guy Wins. Larkmarn erase the trope because they said that since Piccolo was killed in the end he didn't win. It would be true if he didn't immediately die. His ultimate goal isn't just "become" the supreme power, it's to rule for a long time (hence wishing himself young so he can keep his rule). Even if he doesn't say it in his evil goals, unless he's planning on dying, getting killed is not winning. This is an ending trope; everything going well for the villain up to a point is You Can't Thwart Stage One.
My argument is that his goal was to regained his youth and take over the world, which he did creating a Villain World. His reign was just very short-lived, a couple days at most.
Reading the trope for The Bad Guy Wins it says:
Another variant is for the villain to create a Villain World that the heroes must topple in a future story.
To me, You Can't Thwart Stage One, would only apply if Piccolo got his wish, but was stopped before he could take over the world.
Edited by Ramona122003openNo Title
Dunno, but I think Sex Equals Love's description can be truncated a bit and then put in Analysis. Cuz most of them is about how the trope starts out in real life and how love and sexuality correlates to each other from time to time, while the definition itself is only about 25% of the description.
What do you think?
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Hi there, I need a bit of help. I want to start a page about something (and I know what I'm doing this time, I won't completely edit an already existing page.)
Basically I want to start a page about a doujinshi series called Mekko Rarekko. Yes it does have sex scenes in it and I have seen that you guys don't just take *Porn Without Plot. But anyone that does know about Mekko Rarekko knows that it does have a plot to it, so it does fall under the *Porn With Plot category. Heck it's even mentioned in the Anime and Manga category.
Anyway I know how to create a page and I do have a synopsis for it but I'm not sure if I have enough to put a good number of tropes down for it. I'm pretty new to editing pages and I know what tropes are. I guess what I'm really trying to say is that I would like someone who really knows TV Tropes very will to read the series to think of a good number of examples. I've read the series myself but I don't know enough tropes or examples of tropes to create a page for it. So if someone could read the series to think of examples to add, it would be very beneficial for helping me create this page.
PS I did add this to the How To Create A Works Page Discussion page, but I figured I'd ask here for more help as well. Also the page for Mekko Rarekko hasn't been created yet.
Edited by inuyasharules31openNo Title
Is there a page explaining the "Send Troper a standard message explaining an editing issue" thing that shows up in every page's history? When to do so, when not to do so, what happens, etc.? I mean, I believe I understand myself, but without some sort of Administrivia page about it I don't know for 100% sure I do; and new tropers certainly won't. For the record, I did look through the Adminstrivia index but didn't find anything that looked like it would cover it.
Edited by randomsurferopenNo Title Literature
Literature.Tom Swift and YMMV.Tom Swift both include a section on an MSTed version of one of the books, claiming it to be from Mystery Science Theater 3000. As far as I can determine it's not from the show, it's a Fan Fiction MST-ing of the book. As such it seems like the whole thing should be deleted, or at least moved to a Fan Fiction/ page. Anybody else have an opinion on this?
[1]
: In the paragraph re the MST fanfic "Dale Goes Nuts!" by John Nowak and Matt Plotecher:
- This particular fanfic is less grim ... and shorter than their later MSTing of the dime novel "Tom Swift and his War Tank." [link goes to the same page as the link on our Literature.Tom Swift page]
Furthermore, the page itself has the note "This MiSTing is [c] copyright 2001 by John Nowak and Matt Plotecher."
Edited by randomsurferopenNo Title
I was told I could YKTTW a Character tab and launch it when it was ready, but sadly something went wrong. =(
Since it's a Character tab, I needed to namespace it somehow. But since the launch code doesn't recognize any punctuation signs, the launch turned it into a Main page instead. I want to request an unlauch of this tab and .... I guess I'll later just discard it and take the source code of the draft to create the tab manually. =/
On a side note, neither the YKTTW Gudelines page nor the Guide for Easy Launching said anything about pages that needed a namespace (in fact, they barely mentioned work-related pages, just saying that they were free and could still be put in YKTTW if I needed help).note It ended up being in vain in my case since apparently no one in the entire wiki played the game and thus I had to complete the whole draft myself
The failed launch can be found here
. Please unlaunch it.
openNo Title Literature
Do earlier drafts of works that are changed significantly when they are finalized matter for trope entries?
I'm asking because in Carrera's Legions I removed the entry for A.K.A.-47 as not being the trope, guns renamed for trademark reasons, but simply using different names for equipment that's pretty much modern day (or even recent past) equipment IN THE FUTURE!.
enderheisenberg, who added the AKA-47 entry in the first place, re-added it after my removal (Edit War in and of itself), and added the line "These were direct conversions from early drafits where the story takes part on earth." That doesn't seem like it actually makes the entry an example, but there's enough uncertainty on my part that I thought I'd ask before taking any action.
openNo Title Live Action TV
Very long edit war on Anvilicious on the new Supergirl's
page. Started back in May, recently popped up again.
Basically, one person keeps putting in what amounts to a justifying edit. Other people keep trying to say "prove it." Edit reasons are getting a bit rude, too. Not great form all around.
Personally, I think it should stay gone. It's a Justifying Edit that doesn't really add any context to Anvilicious itself and it reeks of Examples Are Not Arguable.
Pulling to discussion for the moment.
Edited by LarkmarnopenNo Title
Bit of a question to help settle a dispute on a description on a character from The Seven Deadly Sins.
Some context:
There's a character called Escanor. At night, he looks like a shrimp
. At noon, he gets buff
via magic. That was ten years ago. He's now according to Word of God, 40 years old.
A wanted poster of him shows him as this.
He shows up and he looks like this
which appears to look like his weaker self with glasses and a mustache. There's implication that it's night time and that he may change into his wanted poster appearance at noon.
There isn't a proper coloring yet.
The question:
Is it acceptable to describe his current appearance as old? Stuff like saying he looks like a weak old man, or putting down Badass Grandpa in a character page and saying his wanted poster looks like this but he appears to be a subversion as he appears to be a weak old man.
A fellow troper isn't allowing referring him to looking like an old man apparently mostly based on the fact he's 40 years old.
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So, I found this on Film.Red Zone Cuba:
- "Do It Yourself" Theme Tune: "As John Carradine's picture fades away, we suddenly hear the voice of Satan himself. No, wait, I'm sorry, I got that wrong. Actually, what we hear is John Carradine singing [!!!!] this movie's theme song.
"
They basically yoinked the entire line straight from the Agony Booth's recap, and turned the entry into a weblink to that recap. Am I correct in thinking that's totally unacceptable?
Edited by wrm5resolved No Title
Can someone explain to me why my cut request for Interrupting Meme was declined, considering the quality of the page or lack thereof?
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I've seen Furry Fandom used as a trope on a few pages (Spyro the Dragon, Cave Story, Conan, Fantastic Mr. Fox) in things that have Funny Animal and/or Talking Animal characters; that's not supposed to be a thing right?
But what if the fandom itself is depicted, as opposed to just shoehorning in the "trope" where it's just one of the actual aforementioned tropes, like in Downtown?
(Excuse me if there's something about the fandom I don't know, as I honestly don't really care about it, it's just kinda there to me.)
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A little issue with a Crazy-Prepared subpage. I had split the previous CrazyPrepared.Comics page into CrazyPrepared.Comic Books, CrazyPrepared.Comic Strips and a CrazyPrepared.Batman subpage, because the latter content was multi-media itself. However, another editor had merged back the CrazyPrepared.Batman subpage with CrazyPrepared.Comic Books, with a clunky comment that it's still a comic-book character on top.
Please also note that the current page image is from Batman: The Movie, thus a live-action picture for a comic books page, which looks a bit weird.
I would like to know what would be the tropers consensus on this. There's largely enough Batman content to deserve its own subpage, and as specified the examples are from multiples media, not just comic books.
Edited by StFanopenNo Title
Over in the YMMV page for Gravity Falls, this user named tuohl keeps trying to add examples of Mabel (an already divisive character) either crossing the Moral Event Horizon (even though she isn't villainous) or as being a Creator's Pet (and getting into a rant about her getting away with things because she's based off of the creator's sister, nevermind the fact that some of the other leads are based off of himself, his grandfather, and a fellow crewmember).
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Are entries on The Wiki Rule supposed to be sorted by the name of their source work, or by the name of the wiki itself? I'm planning to do some crosswicking from Trivia pages and am not sure where to add the entries.
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Just a heads-up, I launched Captured on Purpose and some Self-Restraint and Play-Along Prisoner examples should go there since Captured on Purpose is a more accurate trope (see: Pokemon Live, The Avengers, and Return of the Jedi.)
Edited by lalalei2001

For some reason, whenever I link to [[{{Jerkass Façade}} Jerkass Façade]], it always results in a red link no matter how I code the link, and still links to the page. What's going on? Is this something with TV Tropes itself?
Edit: ... and now it's not letting me link to it at all. WTF?
Edit test: Jerkass Façade
And now it's letting me do a blue link. This is exactly how I typed it on the trope page I was trying to add it to, yet it still resulted in a red link.
Edited by TokoWH