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Is Anti-Climax Boss limited to video games? My Timing Is Off insists that it is on YMMV.Fairy Tail, yet there is a non-video games section on the Anti-Climax Boss page itself.
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Hoo boy, Bowdler.Bowdlerise is a mess.
- Is there any reason the namespace is Bowdler rather than SelfDemonstrating?
- The main self-demonstration is altering the page to make Bowdlerisation and Media Watchdogs seem positive, rather than actually censoring anything.
- The page didn't receive the "removal of spoiler tags above the examples line" update that the main Bowdlerise page did, which is both inconsistent with the main page and a violation of our spoiler-tag policy. The page quote and image caption probably need to be dumped entirely, as there is no way to make them work on a "proper" self-demonstration without including spoiler tags.
With that in mind, I've created Sandbox.Bowdlerise as a better example of self-demonstration.
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Hello,
In Pillars of Eternity, we can recruit companions (all of them completly optionnals). Among them is Edér, a fighter who became quite appreciated by the fans thanks to his usefulness, his laidback attitude, his funny witty banter, his occasional snarkiness, and his soft spot for animals, which he just can't help himself but to pet (even if it means getting bitten).
I initially added this example in the YMMV, under the Ensemble Dark Horse trope. However, my entry was removed, the troper arguing that this trope was for "truly minor characters", and that Edér didn't count, as he is a "primary party member".
I checked the Square Peg Round Trope section, which mentions the following: "Ensemble Dark Horse is supposed to refer to when a minor character who does little in the story becomes unexpectedly popular with the fans. It isn't supposed to mean "any character besides the main character who is popular." "
Now, I'm not convinced Edér isn't eligible to this trope. His character doesn't affect the plot at all (none of the companions do, though one did have a very important impact in the backstory, but it wasn't Edér) and he remains completly optionnal, like all of our companions.
To my understanding, Edér should be viewed as a minor charactor, and fits the requirement of the trope. However, I prefer to ask for your opinion on the subject, in order to be sure to understand the Ensemble Dark Horse trope.
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Hi! looking for a trope to describe a situation where:
An author, writing today, puts himself in the position of people fifty years ago who are trying to accurately predict their future based on knowledge they can reasonably be said to have at the time. We know what happened as we're looking back on it. But the characters in the book are trying to make intelligent guesses as to events in their future.
The context is in the book I'm currently writing a works page for. In the novel, in early 1962, intelligence officers from Britain and the USA are speculating on whereabouts in the world the two power blocs will have a major clash that might lead to all out war. They identify three possibilities: post-imperial spheres of influence in Africa (who gets control of the strategic raw materials necessary for industrial domination, as African countries become independent). Persia: too near Russia for comfort, and both superpowers need oil. And Cuba. Which they discount as an ineffectual nuisance. Any rational American government would realise it's an irrelevance and at most a minor embarrassment and leave it alone.
Fifty years on we know the flashpoint was going to be Cuba, the country those intelligence planners dismissed as a minor irritation. Which makes the situation deeply ironic based on our hindsight.
The novel (About Britain's nuclear defences in the Cold war) also has an incident where Swedish planes chase British nuclear-armed jets out of Swedish airspace. This is explained by a throwaway line about the Swedes being irked that any nuclear incidents nearby to them would deluge their country in fall-out, despite their neutrality. Again, the author could be seen as alluding to later nuclear accidents such as Chernobyl - which did throw lots of fall-out into Scandinavia.
but - what trope do I use? This doesn't seem to fit as Funny Aneurism Moment or Humour In Hindsight as it seems to describe the total opposite - a writer in 2012 writing about events in 1962, with full awareness of how the history panned out, and using his knowledge to write about it with deep irony. The tropes deal with things not known at the time of writing which only become apparent later. so... what fits here?
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Is there a way to remove reviews of a work from my watch list without removing the work itself?New reviews keep popping up as separate entries on the watch list, but if I try to drop them using the "drop" button, the main work gets dropped as well. If I re-add the work page to the watchlist, all of the separate review entries get added again, and the "new" reviews never seem to disappear from the list. It's especially distracting because the review entries are highlighted orange.
Thanks!
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The troper Chopshop
recently added examples about the "Galbrush Paradox" to Positive Discrimination and Self-Fulfilling Prophecy. The wiki linked in both examples is a wiki for... yes, Gamergate. Here's the thing: Besides a brief reference to "some internet communities" and the aforementioned wiki links, there isn't any other mention of GG in either of the two examples. Should I just remove the link to the Gamergate Wiki, or should I just remove the examples entirely?
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There has been an editing war that took place in Heartwarming section of the Kamen Rider Drive page regarding the appropriate translation of a certain line. One party (myself) has opted to use a more generalized translation, while another party is pushing for the use of a fansub's translation.
A Discussion was opened up to resolve the issue, and while I presented an argument to defend my position, no counter-arguments were presented, either from the second party or any other individual who shared his views.
After three days, I decided that the matter was resolved and put in my original translation, adding the following in the Editing Reason box:
"No counterarguments have been given as to why a more accurate translation shouldn't be used."
Later, the second party mentioned before once again used the fansub's translation while adding the following message:
"TV-N IS NOT AN ACCURATE TRANSLATION TEAM. STOP THIS SHIT. "
(TV-N is a rival subgroup to the subgroup the second party patronizes. I use neither subgroup, and obviously the translation I utilized did not originate from TV-N)
I find his blatant rudeness and unwillingness to participate in the discussion highly questionable and disturbing, and I anticipate that he will continue to exacerbate the situation.
Whom might we contact to address this particular troper's behavior?
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Is 65 wicks and no inbounds sufficiently low to delete a redirect to a trope with 3,375 wicks and 15.974 inbounds?
I ask because the redirect is a standard singular form of a plural trope name that would be easily wikiworded using a vertical bar and curly braces.
For reference, Unfortunate Implication is a redirect to Unfortunate Implications. I'd be down to clean up those wicks and cutlist the redirect myself if y'all think that's okay.
I mean, I can't do it right this second, but I can do it.
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"Set page type" is still missing, right? If it is, we need Characters.Bravely Default set to "does indexing" so that the subpages get properly indexed. If not, please point me towards how to do this myself.
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Okay, so on character pages, is there any way to put some sort of hard line break so that pictures don't hang down into lower entries? Specifically, if you put a picture for the first character up, and it's longer than their trope list, it hangs down into the next character's space, even if the two characters are in separate folders. And if multiple pictures are too large, it causes even more difficulty because none of the pictures end up aligned with the right sections. So I want to know if there's any way to make a hard break between the folders so that I can prevent that overlap between the sections.
The page I want to add pictures to is Splatoon. The game itself hasn't been released yet (it comes out on the 29th), but there's plenty of promotional artwork to use for pictures. Once the game comes out it'll probably be a moot point because we'll have more tropes to add, but right now the pictures are overhanging a bit.
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Could someone explain to me what Lowest Cosmic Denominator is supposed to be about?
It says it's about works making up names for religious concepts instead of using existing ones - like "Slayer" instead of "Inquisitor", but that's about it. And I mean... that can't be ALL there is to it, right?
But this trope seems to be just too concerned with pointing out how awful and horrible and censorship-y it all is to get to the point of how and why it's actually a trope, and basically just comes across to me as "Crystal Dragon Jesus But Complaining."
Even the NAME - Lowest Cosmic Denominator as a play on Lowest Common Denominator - is just one more way for the trope to bitch about itself.
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333critic has created today a work stub under the title "TV Tropes Page" with only tropes and no description in it. It was cutlisted and deleted since it had no place in Main/ anyway, but said troper just re-created it under "TV Trope Page".
Also, suspicion of the fanfic recommendation the same troper put on FanficRecs.The Magic School Bus (where he or she used said TV Trope Page link) might be self-promotion.
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Per several posts I've seen here and elsewhere, TV Tropes' definition of trivia includes "anything outside of what you see in the work itself." (If I am wrong feel free to correct me.)
That being said, since All There in the Manual is outside of the work shouldn't it be Trivia and get a Trivia banner?
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What's going on here? The page history doesn't go back far enough to tell, but it appears to be either random vandalism or a creator trying to delete a page for their own work. However, rather than page blanking it apparently tries to emulate the old "this page does not exist" screen. The comic itself also seems to be discontinued.
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honeyishrunkmyself is running a find-and-replace from "space" to "spaaaaaace". Also removing the word "egregious" entirely in the style of the IANMTU removal.
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A while back, I modified the titles of Better Than It Sounds to include the names of the media. I did this as part of the effort to make self-demonstrating folder titles more clear. Everybody Hates Billy recently reverted them back. Ifeel they were more clear with the titles included, but I understand that it's Sugar Wiki and doesn't always have to be formal. Will a moderator please take a look and revert EverybodyHatesBilly's edit if you agree with me? thanks.
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Want some opinions: For Complete Monster, should Visual Novels get their own page (it'd be 10 characters from 6 games, plus Ace Attorney and When They Cry have their own pages), or are they close enough to Video Games that they're just a genre? I lean toward the latter myself, but am willing to listen to other arguments.
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UsefulNotes.Gordon Brown, in addition to having a list of tropes for a real-life person, is extremely derisive toward the subject. Now, I admit that, as an ignorant American, I'm not at all familiar with this British politician myself, but the page seems like it's going way overboard with the negativity, making him out to be a complete laughingstock. Is there anything that can be done to salvage it?

This is a forum problem, but... there's one forum goer that goes to Trope Pantheons discussion and has been annoying the hell out of people, pushing in who he alone thinks deserving to be in the Disgraces and pretty much not giving a *** to any forms of warnings that he should tone down his stuffs. A lot of forumers have been VERY annoyed.
So... is there something we should do about that? I'm just afraid he's going to flood the Trope Pantheons with his self-indulged ideas without everyone else's approval... and this might become a vandal in the making. Ideas? (Like banning him, or just flat out say that the Disgraces is locked and only by the agreement of the forumers it can be edited?)