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Does anyone know what So Good We Mentioned It Twice is? Is it supposed to be a trope? It's in the Main namespace but doesn't have any examples. And it's indexed under Self-Demonstrating and nothing else. And it has only 35 wicks, most of them from itself, from Quotes or from Prehistoric Life - Pachycephalosaurs.
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There's a bit of an ongoing disagreement in YKTTW about whether There Is No Such Thing As Notability applies to works only, or if it also applies to creators.
Note that this is not about whether the page itself has enough content to justify making it a page. The page has a slightly stubby description but an ample example list, and we're working on improving the quality of the content. That's not under question. The question is whether the artist is notable enough to have a page in the first place.
Could someone, preferably a moderator, weigh in on this?
For convenience, the YKTTW under question is Creator/FeministFluttershy
, a MLP fan-artist.
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Sensitive issue considering the individual in question has very recently died, so I thought I'd double-check before doing anything that might upset anyone.
The page for Monty Oum appears to be troping the man himself. Am I right in thinking that this isn't allowed? Can these tropes be removed from the page?
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What's the relationship between It's What I Do and Appeal to Inherent Nature? Because the former looks a lot like a Sub-Trope of the latter in which it's self-applied, but maybe I'm missing something?
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You know how you're not supposed to use potholes to change trope names? Literature.Gadsby does this to nearly every single trope it has in order to be self-demonstrating (the book never uses the letter 'e', so any trope with an 'e' in its name is changed). Not to mention that the example description themselves avoid any word with an 'e', which makes some of them unnecessarily hard to understand.
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Are there some cases where Zero Context Examples are acceptable? For example, if you're on a character page, and you put for one of the characters, say, "Horned Humanoid." I mean, there's really not much more you can say about that - it's pretty much self-explanatory, right?
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I have a feeling I already know the answer, but this thing called "Sugar Wiki" confuses and infuriates us, so I want to be sure.
I am looking at a Crowning Moment Of Funny for a particular episode. It is about how an artist on Tumblr depicts the events of the episode being combined with a Gender Swapped Alternate Universe mentioned in another episode. Note that the "Moment" itself is not from either episode, it's about the Tumblr artist.
Can I nuke this on the grounds that it is basically an example from a Fan Work on the source work's page?
Edited by SolipSchismopenNo Title
Should Self-Imposed Challenge or any of it's subcategories be troped on pages? I just saw Speedrun as an example on a page and it seems like trivia at best. Should I take it over to the Trivia namespace thread?
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So, on May 24th, 2013 user notahandle blanked the page Funny.Invasion Of The Neptune Men. I get WHY it was blanked - the only examples it listed were actually from the Mystery Science Theater 3000 episode devoted to the movie, and not the movie itself. But the thing is, now the page is just sitting there, empty.
What should be done about this? Should I Cut List the page? Leave it? What?
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Anyone thinks VideoGame.You Dont Know Jack is going a bit far with being Self-Demonstrating?
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Some questions on an entry whether it fits Dangerous Forbidden Technique or not.
Spoiler though for Nanatsu No Taizai.
In his fight with Hendrickson, Meliodas uses a move called Revenge Counter. Gowther's explanation for this move is:
"He renders himself defenseless against all forms of power and charges himself with the attacks. However, it is a double edged sword where one mistake in taking an attack would be inevitably fatal. That is the captain's ultimate move"
Based on the description of the attack, I listed it as Dangerous Forbidden Technique in Meliodas' entry. However, it's kinda gotten changed twice by two different tropers as shown in its history.
The first change took it out partly with the interpretation that it's not dangerous. The second change had it replaced with Death or Glory Attack partly with the reason that it's more fitting. Both though basically gave the reason that the technique is not really forbidden.
So question before I get into an edit war, does this qualify for Dangerous Forbidden Technique or not when the only thing that makes it forbidden is the risk rather than an outright restriction like Meliodas being told not to use it or something like that.?
Also does it more appropriately fit Death or Glory Attack? From my understanding of Death or Glory Attack, it's an attack that if done right, rewards massive damage to an opponent but if it fails, it puts the attacker at a disadvantage or worse. Due to the nature of Revenge Counter being an Counter-Attack that absorbs attacks, the risk is more on surviving through the attacks to fuel the Counter-Attack rather than the actual attack itself not working or something like that.
Bit sure on it at least being a Dangerous Forbidden Technique despite semantics though less sure on the Death or Glory Attack part.
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I didn't want to go to the trouble of making an IP thread about this because it's a formatting issue; there's nothing wrong with the image itself. The page image for Doctor Who S29 E9 "The Family of Blood" is stretched beyond what I think is an acceptable limit; is this a formatting flub or is the actual uploaded picture stretched? Does it need to be reuploaded from a new, unstretched source?
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Is Circular Redirect supposed to be Self-Demonstrating?
"The webpage at https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CircularRedirect?from=Main.CircularRedirect
has resulted in too many redirects. Clearing your cookies for this site or allowing third-party cookies may fix the problem. If not, it is possibly a server configuration issue and not a problem with your computer."
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Someone just posted a self-demonstrating example on Examples of Rational Personalities in Stories. I know it's kinda Deadpool's shtick, but Deadpool or not this thing is not allowed outside of SelfDemonstrating/, right?
Edited by DarksilverhawkopenNo Title Webcomic
Hello,
I've been working on the work page of Zebra Girl for a while now. Recently I decided to create a "characters" page for it (here
).
Since this is the first time I'm doing this, I met two problems, and I seek your wisdom and input in order to improve the pages:
- I moved several tropes to the "characters" page. However, I'm not exactly sure what is the actual policy when it comes to tropes which can be listed both on the main page and on the characters page (for YMMV or Trivia tropes, it's easy, the website itself warns the editor if some of those aren't in the right section). Should I do my best to keep those tropes listed on both pages if possible and writing more detailled examples on the characters page? Should I not bother with listing a trope in the main page if it can be listed on a characters page, or is it the other way around?
- Spoilers. The comic is over 15 years old, and some events of the story affected the plot greatly (namely, Sandra going nuts, becoming an evil and cruel demon and hurting everyone for her own pleasure, including her former friends; it takes a rather long story arc for her to realize what she has done and become The Atoner... kinda. On a side note, the cast page of the webcomic doesn't hide this fact). It is not exactly a Foregone Conclusion, but everything prior to this led to this specific turn of events, and a good part of the tropes refer to this. So I'm beginning to wonder if I should just remove any spoiler tags related to this, in order to make the articles easier to read.
Thank you in advance for your time and advices.
Edited by NonoRobotresolved No Title Live Action TV
It seems someone's been adding examples pertaining to Selfie at the top of example lists, even if the lists are already alphabetized. While there's little risk of it happening with Selfie again for obvious reasons, whatever troper did this might do this again with some other series in the future.
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https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TumblrSJW
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=AeliusCato
Self-explanatory as to why it's a problem, i think. Someone should get rid of this page.
Edited by lalalei2001openNo Title
Do Well, But Not Perfect starts off with the following as the page quote.
Dark Sasami: But that would make the title perfect.
I really don't think it's necessary to let whoever the Hell those two are ego-wank themselves all over the page. What should be done about this?

Sorry to make new query for this, but I have some clearer questions this time
From Expy cleanup thread
, what counts as Ex Py is "an unambiguous, deliberate copy of another character."
Several questions
- Is that a new definition? I believe it wasn't like that long ago.
- Dunno, but to me "unambiguous" is still ambiguous. As long as someone made a counterargument or if evidences aren't convincing, it doesn't count - wouldn't it make it really inflexible?
- Does "incidental" mean "two characters share a lot of traits to a high degree"?
- From "copy", it says that similar hairstyle or outfit isn't enough to make an expy. Do we have a trope for similar hairstyle/outfit itself?
- "another" makes an expy be a copy to only one character. What's the trope for someone mixing traits from a lot of characters? (Composite Character sounds like it's limited to adaptations, unless it can be broadened)
Edited by DAN004