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Azure Seas deleted 8.8 from Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire, citing that it is a Fan Speak term and not to be used as a Trope. While I kinda agree with the notion that we shouldn't be listing examples for 8.8 due to its content*, policy (and the recent discussion we had here about Example Sectionectomy listed Tropes) appears to allow examples for it. Should it be readded (can't do it myself because I won't have computer access for a bit)?
[/*/] always thought 8.8 was flame-baity due to it boiling down to being Complaining About People Not Liking the Show .
Edited by KarxridaopenNo Title
Um. I realize that Laconic.Finishing Each Others Sentences is relatively laconic, but I feel like it shouldn't be Self-Demonstrating. Am I crazy?
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Good lord. Found the following on Insistent Terminology's Real Life subpage.
All of these look more like unintentional Expospeak Gags to me. I mean, if they were insistent about calling it that, then sure. But it all also looks like ESGs.
EDIT: Well, not so much the last one. But the others all qualify, I think.
The example(s):
- The German Democratic Republic used this trope a lot:
- Renaming its more oppressive features, similar to People's Republic of Tyranny - the Berlin Wall was officially referred to as the Anti-Imperialistischer/Antifaschistischer Schutzwall (anti-imperialist or anti-fascist protection rampart), both terms targeted at West Germany.
- Many items related to religious holidays were renamed to comply with secular ideology. Easter bunny-shaped chocolate was called a Frühlingsschokoladenhohlkörper (springtime chocolate hollow body) and angel figurines on Christmas trees were called geflügelte Jahresendfigur (winged end-of-the-year figurines). Even for a language like German that's used to long concatenated words, they sound rather ridiculous. Scholarship is divided about how much these terms really caught on.
- Foreign (especially American) words that entered German parlance, even those that were in use before WW 2, were replaced with Exactly What It Says on the Tin German words. Darts became Wurfspiel ("throwing game"), Supermarkt became Kaufhalle ("purchasing hall"), Comics became Bildergeschichten ("picture stories") etc. This was to emphasize that their versions were "completely different" from the corrupting capitalist counterparts.
- West Germany wasn't shy of returning this in kind. In the early years after WW 2, the West German administration considered itself the only legitimate German state and refused to recognize even the existence an East German state. It used alternative names, such as Ostzone ("Eastern zone") or Sowjetische Besatzungszone ("Soviet Occupation Zone"). They also refused to recognize any country that maintained diplomatic relations with East Germany, with the exception of the Soviet Union (which was too big and important to piss off in this way) until Willy Brandt's Neue Ostpolitik (New Eastern Policy) of the late 1960s and early 1970s.
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Can I ask a moderator to remove my comment here for me as it's not possible to do it myself? https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=Characters.AttackOnTitanTitans
If you need a reason then it's just an unnecessary comment considering you can write on the edit page what your reasons are for changing or deleting a trope is, but somehow I didn't figure that out before writing it in the discussion page.
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I'm wondering if the So Bad, It's Horrible entry for Professional Wrestling should be seriously trimmed or just removed altogether. There are far too many entries on the page that (at most) fall under "morally questionable" rather than "technically awful," even though the main SBIH page clearly states that simply being offensive in content isn't enough. There are also very few matches, promotions and angles on the page that seriously fit the (rather strict) criteria for this "trope." For example, the "Fingerpoke Of Doom" would fall under Wall Banger, because while it might've been a boneheaded decision on WCW's part, I don't think the match itself was ever notorious for being shoddily executed or incompetently performed. The page should be for matches that are notorious for bad and/or incompetent execution (ie. where the wrestlers/writers/etc. clearly weren't even trying) and for badly run wrestling promotions. Not audience-alienating moments or morally questionable acts like the Montreal Screwjob.
What does everybody else think?
Edited by MartyD82openNo Title
Should The Musical be in the example list for a work that was adapted into a musical, but is not itself a musical? Such as Literature.The Phantom Of The Opera, or Film.Monty Python And The Holy Grail.
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Should some work possibly be done with the page Rape Leads to Insanity? A rather large portion of the page is concerned with real life information that is uncertain or in some cases actually contradicted by reliable sources. The page seems to talk for some time about how "most" rape victims take the event calmly, even though sources have said rape more often than not leads to severe trauma lasting months if not years. The page even goes so far as to suggest that the traumatization experienced is more a result of the person's personality than the assault itself.
A good point is made in the page that expecting trauma and mental disturbance is unhelpful, since expecting the victim to be more traumatized than she or he seems to be can come across as doubt of the account or downplay of the event. However, the opposite is also true: since most victims do experience significant trauma whether they show it or not, it's not helpful to expect them to be normal or suggest that they're personally responsible for the way the event affected them.
Ultimately, it's not helpful to expect people to freak out and claim that the event must not have been so bad if they don't show enough trauma, and it's equally bad to say that people shouldn't be bothered and it's the individual's fault if they can't move on. Neither extreme is really true, both can be hurtful, and both are about real life more than tropes or devices. Would it not be better to include less about the real world, maybe a brief presentation of the conflicting ideas with emphasis on the conflict and absence of clear answers, then focus on the application of this material to specific works?
openNo Title Western Animation
Okay, major spoilers for The Legend of Korra. If you haven't seen the Grand Finale and think you might, just close the folder and move on.
Anyway, the series ended with Korra getting together with Asami, about as clearly as they could make a same-sex couple on Nickelodeon. The problem is, people keep adding that scene to the Ho Yay
page, when it was clearly intended by the creators to he very homoerotic from the getgo (thus Homoerotic Subtext, not Ho Yay). In fact, the example currently on there (I've deleted two different writeups and explained myself, but I don't want to delete another) specifically says it's "technically not an example."
I get the desire to put it on there, but given Ho Yay is chronically misused to mean "any gay stuff at all," I don't think it should be on the page. Also, I'd like to get a mod's okay to put a commented out notice not to mention the finale, since it's Homoerotic Subtext and not Ho Yay.
Edited by LarkmarnopenNo Title
megazilla's edits
have numerous issues, including (but not limited to) bad grammar, bad formatting, bad Example Indentation, and typos. For example, I just cleaned up a huge mess he left behind on SelfDemonstrating.Bowser.
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Two questions: Apparently X Meets Y can't go on work pages, is that an official rule? The page itself doesn't say so.
If a character acknowledges that he's a Complete Monster (or other YMMV trope), is it invoked or in-universe?
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Demonic Possession reads like a Self-Demonstrating Character Page
, but it's not a character page at all. It just feels messy and opaque and rambly with this imaginary "Kelvek the Seducer". Is this worth fixing, and if so, would TRS be the place?
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Why Not Now put a Karma Houdini example in Elfen Lied with "Someone redirected me to here. I put this on the Karma Houdini page, but they said this needs to be put in the YYMV page on the work itself. This is, of course, subjective, so please don't delete it all willy-nilly." as edit reason.
Edited by MagBasopenNo Title
Rhyming with Itself: Does it apply when "rhyming" homophones (for example, rhyming "no" with "know")?
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Edit war on Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: The "Centipede" Group; I refuse to involve myself, but danielle is clearly in the wrong, continuing to remove examples without explanation. Possible sockpuppet? Must investigate further.
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gethomas3 is taking it upon himself to reintegrate Anime.Dragon Ball Z to Manga.Dragon Ball, including blanking the main page.
We probably need reverts on a lot of the subpages.
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I hope I'm just overthinking things, but tatobarontan
has made some very biased edits:
On YMMV.Doki Doki Precure added:
- Harsher in Hindsight: Mana is an outright Badass spotlight hogger who, at one point, is referred to as "The Happy Prince". At the same time, Daigo, her gender-flipped counterpart, is also a Badass spotlight hogger whose nickname is "King". See The Scrappy below.
On the same page changed this:
- The Scrappy: While she does have a few fans, Mana is the most widely disliked lead Cure so far, mostly due to her Canon Sue tendencies. The team finishers that involve the Magical Lovely Pad and its harp form, are basically just the other Cures giving Heart their powers, who defeats the Monster of the Week herself (though not so much for Royal Lovely Straight Flush). It gets to the point where Doki Doki ends the same way as Digimon Xros Wars: The Young Hunters Leaping Through Time (whose lead, Taigiru, is also considered the worst lead of the Digimon Franchise) as in she takes everyone else's powers, along with the three sacred treasures, and fights the final battle alone in a new form. She's even considered one of the main reasons Doki Doki is so unpopular.
to this:
- The Scrappy: While she does have a few fans, Mana is the most widely disliked lead Cure so far, mostly due to her Canon Sue tendencies. The team finishers that involve the Magical Lovely Pad and its harp form, are basically just the other Cures giving Heart their powers, who defeats the Monster of the Week herself (though not so much for Royal Lovely Straight Flush). It gets to the point where Doki Doki ends the same way as Digimon Xros Wars: The Young Hunters Leaping Through Time (whose lead, Taigiru, is also considered the worst lead of the Digimon Franchise) as in she takes everyone else's powers, along with the three sacred treasures, and fights the final battle alone in a new form. She's even considered one of the main reasons Doki Doki got the shittiest ratings in the franchise's history. And she would have been more likable if the fans who outright hated her from the very beginning demanded Toei to make a her a wimp (at least slightly) for the rest of the story.
On Characters.Doki Doki Precure Pretty Cure changed this:
- She's also an Ace, a Large Ham, and a Determinator, just like spotlight-stealing Daigo Kiryu.
to this:
- She's also an Ace, a Large Ham, and a Determinator, just like spotlight-stealing Daigo Kiryu. Had the fans demanded Toei to wimpify her slightly, she would have been more likable.
On YMMV.Zyuden Sentai Kyoryuger added the following under Harsher in Hindsight:
- Daigo is a spotlight-stealing Badass Marty Stu Scrappy who gets the most screentime among the rest. At the same time, he gets a Distaff Counterpart, in the form of Mana Aida.
I can't tell if tatobarontan has an issue with Mana, Daigo, or both.
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So, I just started a new game page and it happens that there's this Walking Spoiler character that sole appearance is spoiler. I already know how to put a character image on Tvtrope in the character page, but if it's a Walking Spoiler character, I don't know how to mark the character image itself as spoiler. Help, anyone?
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If this is something that requires me to contact the people in charge directly, please tell me so.
Sometimes the screen warns before you press the "save" button that all submitted material belongs to the site. Does this mean the content itself or just the way it is phrased?
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I commented out a couple of examples on A Game of Gods: Infinities - Champions because, well...
- Dual Wielding: Quad-wielding.
Apart from it making it look like the example argues with itself (thus going well beyond the boundaries set by Examples Are Not Arguable IMO), it appears to be sloppily written, in a very sorry manner. Plus, I never can tell what the Not An Example litmus test is for some tropes, and Dual Wielding is no exception.

What's the deal with the name for Team StarKid? Why is the name itself (STOP REVERTING THIS)?