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What namespace should motorsports related pages be under? Because right now they seem split between two different namspaces: Useful Notes (Rallying, 24 Hours of Le Mans, and United Sports Car Championship) and Main, (NASCAR, Indy Car. and Formula One). The Motorsports page itself is under Useful Notes as well
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Characters.How To Train Your Dragon just got a lot of Repair, Don't Respond violations added by Socrates The Mudwing. I am not familiar enough with the subject to fix it myself, though, although I did message them.
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On the subject of This Troper. I know it's a no-no if you're using it on a trope, main, or character pages, but what's the deal if it's on a subjective page? Not that I use it myself, but especially on Funny, Heartwarming, and Tearjerker pages, I've been seeing it quite a bit.
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I'm currently looking at a trope entry in a work's page that just keeps growing. Every time somebody edits it, they add more and more details, and it's now a solid wall-of-text all by itself. With three-bullet indentation, by the way.
I figure this thing needs some heavy-duty trimming, but I'm not quite sure how much to cut, so I'd like some opinions on salvaging it.
The work page in question is The Dark Eye, the relevant trope is Linear Warriors, Quadratic Wizards.
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Titanium Dragon changed Victim-Blaming a couple of days ago, and as the new entry involves words like "However, the victim is not 0% at fault - that would imply that going out and getting drunk to the point of blacking out at a frat party is an entirely safe activity. Thus, either party could have prevented the rape from taking place - the woman by removing herself from the situation which gave the rapist the opportunity to rape her, and the man by not raping her.", I'm deeply uncomfortable. But I'm also biased so may I have a second opinion on the change?
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A somewhat old query, but while Wiki Walking a few days back, I found this Narcissist page with a Wall of Text of a description. I would've cut it down myself, but I'm not sure I can tell which parts of the essay is the trope, and which part of it belongs to Analysis.
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Er, I was trying to edit Rapunzel Hair, finished my edit, hit 'save', noticed that the edit failed to go through, tried to re-add it - and was told that I can't edit the article because it was checked out by me. Wha?
Do I just wait it out, then?
ETA: Never mind, it magically fixed itself. Carry on.
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I just remembered this, or I would have added it yesterday, but troper Divra
added an example to Badass Princess that was chock-full of factual inaccuracies.
From the Honor Harrington series:
- The first is Abigail Hearns, Lady Owens, the youngest daughter of Steadholder Owens. Abigail is a petite woman with waist-length blonde hair, who is consistently described as "cute as a button". Raised on Grayson, a backwater planet where women are traditionally cloistered and not expected to do anything other than be wives and mothers, Abigail browbeat her father into letting her study engineering and mathematics. When Grayson opened up to the universe, Abigail was one of the first to join the new space fleet and sent to Manticore and the Officer Training School on Saganami Island. She passed Saganami with flying colours, including the dreaded Advanced Tactical Course, a prerequisite for independent command known in the vernacular as "The Crusher", and graduated sixth in a class of thirteenhundred. She is currently serving as a Gunnery Officer, on the fast-track for independent command, and quickly making a name for herself as a master tactician and one of the setting's pre-eminent missile techs.
In order, the mistakes are: 1. Abigail is a brunette, not a blonde. 2. Her proper title is Miss Owens, not Lady Owens. 3. Grayson women aren't traditionally cloistered - that's Masada. 4. She studied every hard science course she could get her hands on, not just maths and engineering. 5. Abigail was all of nine when Grayson opened up to the wider universe. By the time she got to Saganami Island, Grayson officers had been serving in the Royal Manticoran Navy for a decade already and Grayson was the second-best space navy in the sector and probably the universe. 6. She wasn't sent to Officer Training School, she was sent to the naval academy. The two are different things. 7. She didn't take the Advanced Tactical Course while she was there, and hasn't yet taken it at all, as it's for already-commissioned officers on the track to independent command. Abigail's still too junior for The Crusher. 8. She graduated eleventh in a class of eleven thousand, and sixth in the tactical curriculum. 9. She's currently serving as a Tactical Officer, not a Gunnery Officer (there is no such thing as the latter in the Honorverse). 10. She's not a missile tech, that's an entirely different speciality.
I'm not sure if all the troper's examples are this bad or if this was a one-off - I'm not familiar with any of their other fandoms - but examples this inaccurate shouldn't be allowed IMHO. I did fix it on the page, but figured I ought to give you a heads-up.
Edited by RoseAndHeatheropenNo Title
janegotagum
is triggering my ban-evasion senses, given the post they just made in the Nu Metal
discussion page, the edit history on Nu Metal
and the edit reason on Music.Mudvayne - it looks like bornofself ban evading.
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In an MMO whose page I tend to make regular edits on, there are quite a few Memetic Mutation-related Shout Outs (they would not be considered Ascended Memes, because they aren't to do with the game/community at hand). Now, I'm not quite sure what to do with these. A meme itself is YMMV, but a Shout Out is not. So what would be done with them? Would they need to go in YMMV, use a marker to remove the YMMV of the Shout Out, or...?
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The "debate" on the Headscratchers page for Whale Wars is beginning to get a little strident. It may need a mod dropping by to calm the waters a little. Or, given that the main series page for that show has had to be locked, possibly having a headscratchers page for such a contentious show might be a bad idea in itself.
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What's the official verdict on Unfortunate Implications requiring citations on a work's YMMV page?
The Unfortunate Implications page itself is pretty vague about it, but the discussion page
(most clearly, Sep's post on Aug 22 2013) and the TRS thread that put the need for citations in the first place
both make it seem pretty definitive that citations are only required on the main Unfortunate Implications page, and not a work's YMMV page.
But I still see people cutting UI from a work's YMMV page saying Citation Needed. Now, a lot of them deserve to be cut for the sake of Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgement, but is cutting for Citation Needed incorrect?
And either way, a note should probably be put on the UI page about whether wicks need citations or not.
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MetropolisGal2
spoilered out a trope name on Mr Selfridge, spoilered it out again when mlsmithca corrected it (with edit reason), and has kept the page perpetually locked since. I sent a spoiler warning, but the locking concerns me. And it's still a no-context example.
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Can I get a revert on Ryan Newman? scrissle
put in lots of tropes pertaining to the creator herself and not her work.
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I've found a new rule on Sinkhole about pot holes because of internal use of tropes on TV Tropes itself. First of all, was this actually agreed upon or did someone just put it there because it was his or her Pet-Peeve Trope? I'm asking because I can't find references to it anywhere else on the wiki, unless we count in-universe only tropes like Understatement. The sarcastic comment "is the writer describing the entry and pointing out their own "witty" use of a trope within" further makes me believe that KJMackley (the one who added the paragraph about the rule) just tried to exterminate something he or she dislikes. If it turns out that I'm wrong, I'd like to apologize in advance.
Personally, I think it's a stupid rule because I can't see the harm of some self-referential humour by using tropes in examples and pot holing to them. Unlike the other types of sinkholes, these pot holes don't cause confusion and/or annoyance. A legitimate example of for instance Arson, Murder, and Jaywalking doesn't stop being an example only because it's from TV Tropes and not from another form of media. Also, cleaning up all wicks of that kind would be a lot of trouble and not accomplish much except for making the wiki less fun. I'm not saying that TV Tropes editors should shoehorn tropes into their examples as often as possible, but some self-referential humour doesn't hurt.
If the rule turns out to be legitimate, I've also posted some questions on the Discussion page of Sinkhole and will probably post more.
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Uhm hi, I know Naughty Tentacles was cut because of reasons, so I figure I should mention this: A lot I see All Anime Is Naughty Tentacles being used as a replacement for the cut Naught Tentacles trope (Like this from Mx0 All Anime Is Naughty Tentacles: Mizuki encounters some in the cave where Lucy is from.)
Who should I report that to: do I need to start a TRS? (I dont know how to do that)
i have no problem with Naughty Tentacles myself, but I figure if you cut it you probably want it to stay cut

Recently, Kaxrida included a Game-Breaker example in Characters.Pokemon Generation I Geodude To Mew with the following edit reason: "Added Game Breaker to Khan's entry. himself is complaining about it, so it's not YMMV in this case (similar to Dragons)."
Edited by MagBas