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openPermission to revert entry on Manga/AirGear. Anime
On Nov. 4th, 2018, I corrected
the Official Couple entry for Air Gear due to being inaccurate to the epilogue chapter.
- Original Version:
- Corrected Version:
- Erivale's version:
- Erivale: I just read through the whole series again, and it's pretty clear that Ikki's date with Simca is two riders who respect each other meeting up for a run and the fulfilment of an old promise, as compared to the overt romantic overtones involved in Ikki's resolution with Ringo. Even during the epilogue itself, Ringo is treated as the woman in Ikki's life, not just a prospective for his affections.
With this in mind, I request permission to revert the edit without risk of inciting an Edit War.
openWhich of the examples are accurate and which of the examples are just character bashing? Anime
- Neon Genesis Evangelion:
- Asuka Langley Soryu often proves herself worthy of this trope:
- She always criticizes Shinji for being useless, even though she constantly screws up missions with her own stubbornness and pride.
- She blames Shinji for their botched first kiss, claiming that he's rejecting her, when it was her own fault for goading him into kissing her with convoluted and mixed signals, as well as holding Shinji's nose to prevent his breathing from tickling her, which suffocates him. All of which are very unromantic.
- She frequently calls out Shinji for being so weak and vulnerable, despite the fact that, as the series progresses, it turns out she is just as weak and vulnerable as he is, albeit trying to hide it with aggression and temper tantrums.
- She treats all the boys she's around with contempt and considers them perverts and/or idiots, yet she herself engages in very inappropriate sexual conduct with her guardian, Kaji, and consistently makes and commits idiotic decisions and actions that not only endanger her but others.
- She constantly attacks Shinji for not being "a man" or not "manning up", yet she herself is hardly what one would call "womanly".
- While it's partially true that Misato shows Parental Favoritism towards Shinji, Asuka is the last person to call her out, especially when all she wants and craves is to be praised, loved, and coddled.
- For all her complaints about no one caring for her, she herself is shown to care very little (if at all) for the well-being of her teammates, even belittling them after enduring serious trauma.
- She also has the nerve to blame others for rejecting her when she frequently and deliberately rejects, rebukes, abuses, and takes advantage of others.
- She calls Shinji selfish for wanting to save the world merely to impress his father, yet Asuka's own motive is at its core just as selfish as she does it out of a need for validation too.
- She feels entitled to and demands unconditional devotion and praise from anyone and everyone she meets. However, Asuka feels no obligation to treat others with even the slightest amount of respect and decency unless doing so will keep them under her thrall or otherwise advance her interests in some way; she treats virtually everyone around her with undisguised contempt.
- Asuka is also in no position to chew Shinji out for being afraid of getting hurt and being rejected by others, considering that she herself is afraid of getting hurt by others, and especially because she is one of the people, aside from Gendo, responsible for hurting and rejecting Shinji.
- Asuka gets angry and disgusted at Shinji for complaining, claiming that he's always blaming others, yet she is the one who whines and complains more than anyone in the entire franchise and consistently blames or shifts the blame to others for her own faults.
- Asuka Langley Soryu often proves herself worthy of this trope:
openWhich examples sound like character bashing on this page? Anime
Sailor Moon
- Usagi Tsukino can be this:
- She can be a Clingy Jealous Girl toward Mamoru and hates when other women get close to him, but she is not always faithful herself, judging by the way she stares at other boys. Apparently, only one of them needs to be 100% devoted. This is mostly in the first anime.
- In one episode, she slaps Mamoru for forgetting her birthday even though she never told him, but she doesn't know his birthday either.
- Chibi-Usa can be this as well:
- She accuses Usagi of being "ungrateful" for rejecting her mother's hot cakes (and she only rejected them because she had already eaten something and didn't even know her mother was making something for her in the first place) when she herself does not appreciate that Usagi has constantly put her own life on the line to save her from danger.
- In one episode, she gets viciously angry at Usagi after the latter unknowingly steals the pie she baked for a classmate. In other episodes, she would knowingly steal Usagi's food just for the sake of it.
- For all her talk about Usagi being an incompetent guardian, she proves to be quite incompetent at being a guardian herself once she starts her training.
- She (along with the others) criticizes Usagi for her laziness, even though she is shown to be rather lazy herself; for instance, she has Usagi carry all the groceries while she herself is empty-handed.
- Luna the Cat also has her moments:
- She gets on Usagi's case when the latter allegedly wet the bed, but she doesn't hold it against Chibi-Usa when it's revealed it was her who did it. When Usagi points this out to Luna, Luna excuses herself by telling her, "Well, you deserved it."
- When she merely thinks Diana is the lovechild of Artemis and another cat, she violently rages at him. Fast-forward to Sailor Stars, where she openly fawns over Yaten, perfectly fine with the fact that Artemis knows.
- She also had the nerve to taunt Usagi for not noticing if Chibi-Chibi was her daughter or not when she herself failed to realize that Diana was her daughter and jumped to conclusions. Usagi rightfully calls her out on this, and she quickly becomes embarrassed.
- She usually does nothing to stop Chibi-Usa from antagonizing Usagi, yet she has the nerve to call out Usagi whenever she retaliates in any way.
- Haruka Tenoh is another example:
- During the early stages of her relationship with Michiru, Haruka snarked that she didn't think a privileged rich girl like her could possibly understand a concept as bleak as the apocalypse, even though Haruka herself is a privileged rich girl.
- Before going to confront Eudial with Michiru, Haruka tells Usagi that they won't let her slow them down with her "half-baked play war". She says this, even though she and Michiru didn't have a concrete plan for finding the Talismans all season and they hadn't formed a plan for when they confronted Eudial and when they did, she quickly gained the upper hand. Had Usagi heeded their threat and stayed away, Haruka and Michiru would've died and the Death Busters would've gotten a hold on two Talismans.
- In the Stars season, she expresses distaste at the way Seiya "indiscriminately approaches women", yet Haruka has been shown to flirt with a lot of girls, including Usagi and the Inner Soldiers (even stealing a kiss from Sailor Moon in the manga/Crystal without her consent, which is a form of sexual assault) and unlike Seiya, Haruka is in a relationship (a stable one with trust from both sides, but still).
- Both her and Michiru often display Ignorant of Their Own Ignorance when it comes to criticizing the Inner Guardians. Generally, this takes the form of treating the Inner scouts as new girls who haven't had to make tough sacrifices. The truth being Venus had been active for at least a year prior to the events of season 1 (and Michiru being active at most around season 2), and all five of them dying in heroic sacrifices in the end of Season 1.
- Rei often scolds and mocks Usagi for certain traits and habits, yet she herself exhibits the exact same behavior or does it after scolding Usagi for doing so. One of the best examples of this is in the fifth season, when Usagi is shown worrying about Seiya, at which point Rei shows up and says, "Stop worrying about someone else and go study!" Ignoring that Rei is, at that moment, worrying about someone else and not studying.
resolved Vocabulary Conflict Anime
A little while ago now, Dentaku made this edit
on YMMV.Bocchi The Rock for the LGBT Fanbase example.
All instances of "Sapphic" were replaced with "Lesbian", saying the former is an "old-fashioned" form of the latter. I reverted the change with the reason that Sapphic is actually an umbrella term for any woman who loves woman (which does include lesbians, but also labels like bisexual, demi, etc.)
And then just today, someone reverted it again with no edit reason.
Edited by IkeaHanresolved Edit War on Characters/UndeadUnluckGodAndTheSuperiorRules Anime
- March 17th, 2024
, Troper UnCorrectManiac changed the images for the characters "Soul", "Death", "Change", and "Language" on the Undead Unluck: God and The Superior Rules page without opening an Image Pickin thread.
- March 18th, 2024
, Troper Rebel Falcon (Myself) reverted entries.
- Edit Reason: Image changes need to be approved via an Image Pickin thread.
- March 18th, 2024
, Troper UnCorrectManiac instigated Edit War by undoing reversion, as well as changed the image for character "Luck" without opening an Image Pickin thread.
- Edit Reason: If you believe the new images do not fit the page than feel free to make an Image Pickin' thread to argue your case, but at the moment it seems silly to revert them back without doing so. Every other image on this page was added with the Image Pickin Thread being needed before hand, I don't see why these should be any different unless your actually willing to explain why in a thread. If there is already a thread for UU I'd love to take part in it, but I could not find it myself.
resolved The Ron the Death Eater example from YMMV/SonicX Anime
I wanted to make this discussion because I saw that the Ron the Death Eater example for Chris Thorndyke was deleted. Here it is.
- Ron the Death Eater: Chris Thorndyke is often viewed by fans as a selfish, spoiled brat, who's life isn't all that bad as he claims it is, and being more obsessive over Sonic than Amy is. However, Chris isn't really a bad kid. His whiny moments like in episode 49 were due to his fear of loneliness, which kept him from handling the situation of Sonic returning to his world more positively, especially since the news sprung upon him unexpectedly and was pretty impactful for him, and he was acting more traumatic and in denial than like a spoiled brat. His clinginess to Sonic and his fear of loneliness is due to being neglected by his parents since he was little, as he had to spend most of his time alone inside his huge and empty mansion without friends or siblings, making his life feel very empty and he didn't want to lose the one person who filled that void with his friendship and adventures. This also applies to when Chris shut down the portal to stop Sonic from going back to his world. Chris didn't shut down the portal because he's a spoiled brat. He did it because his emotions and fears got the best of him, that he made a reckless choice without thinking clearly.
I actually agree with this example, but it was deleted because apparently it was added by a ban evader. I am for adding it back because although Chris is not my favorite character of this show (due to some issues with how he was written), I do agree that fans do tend to demonize this kid.
openDoes Silvers Rayleigh (One Piece) count as an example of "World's Strongest Man"? Anime
Another user and I are having a disagreement over whether or not he constitutes the trope, at least when he was at his prime strength. My argument comes from the fact that, as a character, he was the right hand of the former strongest man, Gol D. Roger, and that he often leverages his reputation as a warrior of legendary renown to bluff enemies out of battles. While he's no longer at his peak, at one point he was decidedly in the running as being the strongest.
I also pointed out that the trope itself does not come from a defined character tier list, but rather, someone who is considered in story as being a contender for the strongest. Additionally, I noted that other characters (both in One Piece and not) have the trope applied to them despite there being other contenders for the title of "the" strongest.
What are everyone's thoughts on the matter?
Edited by Windraysresolved Is this allowed? Anime
A while ago I made this query
concerning an entry regarding Awesome Music. When I mentioned it in the "Get Help With English Here" thread, someone pointed out
that this user is self-inserting their own opinions (except for the commas, that were a necessary addition). They also removed the %% notice I added about ZC Es and grammar.
openDoes this page need a cleanup? (HeartwarmingInHindsight) Anime
The bottom of the page has this note:
IMPORTANT: Do not include examples that are Foreshadowing, nor moments that came just a handful of episodes later. Those are clearly intended heartwarming moments later in the same work.
However, some users have bluntly disregarded this, the vast majority of the anime folder examples consist of stuff that is obviously foreshadowed.
Should it all be removed? I mean, disregarding the entries about voice actors, the blind photographer and the ones relating to Real Life people. I wanted to manually remove it myself but I fear it would start an edit war.
resolved What do I go to change the title of a work page? Anime
I'm considering of changing the main title of "Literature.Bakemonogatari" to "Literature.MonogatariSeries" since Bakemonogatari is only the title for the first arc/season of the series (and the series itself is a bit of a Long Runner with multiple different names for each arc/season and Bakemonogatari is only one of them). It makes more sense for the main title to be the Monogatari Series instead.
However, I'm not exactly sure where I can propose to change the main title. How do I do this?
Edited by RuckusHeartsresolved Agenda Based Editing on pages for Code Geass. Anime
Reddish Guy 1 is once again
conducting agenda based editing
for Code Geass, depicting the Britannian Characters as if they were solely black in terms of morality and changing things to reflect that including removing sympathetic tropes from several characters, while adding YMMV entries suggesting opinion for Noble Demon characters being unsympathetic is widespread despite there be little indication of this outside of the Base-Breaking Character Cornelia. What's more, they attempt to justify this by claiming this site thinks the series is Black-and-Gray Morality, but if the series itself is said to be Grey-and-Gray Morality, then that is what is supposed to be troped, with the idea its not that falling under Unintentionally tropes and Misaimed Fandom. And yes, it is meant to be seen as Grey-and-Gray Morality since the showrunners and even the actors have said as much, with them going on record as stating Cornelia and Suzaku are two of the most moral characters in the show, and they consider Lelouch to be irredeemable. For objective troping, authorial intent is important to note. Whether it worked or not would be covered in YMMV. I've sent them a notifier directing them to this thread, but this needs to be addressed as this is the second time now this situation has needed to be brought up to ATT.
openEdit Reason: "Removing the excessive content"? Anime
I know Word Cruft is a reason for editing down an entry, but is it actually applicable in this case?
On November 4th
, I/Rebel Falcon, edited the entry for the trope "Because You Were Nice to Me" for the character Kyoka Jiro on My Hero Academia - Class 1-A (11-20) to provide further context, and I didn't think the entry was that long or required any Word Cruft.
- Because You Were Nice to Me: Jiro initially didn't have much of a connection with Midoriya throughout the school year. During the preparation for the Culture Festival however, she approached him for aid in neatening up her notes on music, initially embarrassed at needing to ask but finding herself pleasantly surprised the more they worked together, slowly transitioning into the two becoming genuine friends. She brings up this moment specifically when all of Class 1-A come to bring him back to U.A. High after he had left due to becoming a target for Shigaraki due to his possession of One For All, telling him how happy she was to find they shared a hobby in note taking and, that while he has gotten stronger, she doesn't want her friend having to suffer for their sake.
- Because You Were Nice to Me: During Class 1-A's fight against Midoriya, when they try to bring him to back U.A. High, Jiro brings up to him how they bonded over their shared habit of making notes to improve their works (for Izuku, it's his combat skills, for Jiro, it's her musical skills) and how he helped her prepare for the School Festival as a way to convince him to return, even if she know it's only a minor moment.
EDIT: I am not trying to get anyone in trouble, this is just me trying to clear up some genuine confusion on my end. Edited by RebelFalcon
openEdit war on Ranma Saotome Anime
Okay, I didn't want to ring the alarm prematurely, but lately the page Characters.Ranma One Half Ranma Saotome is veering into an edit war between Midnight Star Hunter and Valentine Meikin, with some peanut gallery comments by Wandering Browser. (Myself, I'm only doing the occasional grammar edit on the page.)
The latest edit by Midnight Star Hunter includes an absolute Wall of Text of an edit reason accompanying an absolutely bloated trope entry; please check it out. I think that everybody needs to cool down and discuss it out before any further addition or removal.
openRegarding Spoiler Policy for characters in Naruto Anime
Regarding Characters.Naruto, while checking for example, Pain's page, it shows in the description itself a lot about his past and motivations which are revealed quite late into the arc having his decisive fight, and in Madara's folder, in his description, the exact specifics of his defeat are written in great detail.
These are just two examples out of many, and in the folders, there are marked and unmarked spoilers with irregularity. Now, Naruto is an old anime, so I wanted to ask whether to remove the excruciating details in the description and spoiler out the spoilery details, or just leave them alone?
Edited by kuchiki222openEdit War on Azumanga Shitposts Anime
Reporting a belatedly-realized Edit War scenario:
- Troper.Stop Hating Tv Tropes Plz 123 adds the following Condemned by History entry
to YMMV.Azumanga Daioh, subsequently tweaking the format over successive edits
- Troper.UFO Yeah deletes
the entry, citing poor formatting and complaining
- StopHatingTvTropesPlz123 re-adds
the entry, including a confusing question about YMMV.Fate Stay Night and YMMV.Oreimo's CBH entries
- After StopHating's entry is brought to attention of Condemned by History cleanup thread
, it is again deleted by myself
(not having seen the history proving this was an Edit War yet)
I apologize for unknowingly engaging in an Edit War, but what should become of StopHating's entry? And should we keep watch in case they decide to add it again?
Edited by Galileo26resolved Am I Being Too Uptight About This? Anime
This question involves the final episode of one of those rather important older anime series, so if you're interested in Revolutionary Girl Utena and haven't seen it, this spoiler warning is for you.
Here's my question:
"Revolutionary Girl Utena E 39 Someday We Will Shine Together", has an example of Screw This, I'm Outta Here!. At two points in 2024 I deleted one of its two bullets on the basis that the event in question does not meet the trope's "unplanned departure" criteria (the character who leaves pays a visit to another character to say that she's leaving, and is then shown walking away with a suitcase). Now that I think about it, it's a better fit for Won't Do Your Dirty Work.
Recently another editor added this event under Screw This, I'm Outta Here! again. I don't want to be a wonk about this and I'm already uncomfortable with having deleted it twice. The event in question is a key moment in the story and as such, editors like to mention it in as many examples as possible. So if I delete it again the odds are good that someone else will add it back before long.
Am I interpreting this trope too strictly? I've been treating "unplanned" as something along the lines of "spontaneous"—maybe I'm setting the bar too high?
Or maybe I'm second guessing myself too much and what I need is a commented out message to discourage people from adding this to Screw This, I'm Outta Here!?
Edited by ShivaIndisresolved Plot Hole page for Ranma 1/2? Anime
I love Ranma ½, but the series was clearly an episodic comedy that Takahashi was making it up as she goes along, and it shows, because there's quite a few times when the story doesn't make sense or contradicts itself - three major examples are how Ranma is perfectly happy to go back to China in the first 2 chapters, but Shampoo's intro reveals he left China partially to escape Shampoo; how Ranma goes from wanting to investigate potential cures in those same chapters, only for everybody to know that the Nanniichuan can cure Ranma and the other guys like him in the Instant Nanniichuan story; and of course the Instant Nanniichuan temporarily curing Ranma and Genma, but Taro being able to upgrade his curse with water from the Jusenkyo Spring of Drowned Octopus.
But... the Plot Hole page notes that it's a No Examples trope. Does that just mean no adding examples to that page, or does it mean that a Plot Hole page for Ranma 1/2 is forbidden as well?

The Bleach series is no stranger to the official localization changing over time, such as the Soul Reapers' swords variously being called "Soul Cutters", "Zanpak-to", and "Zanpakutou" over the years; or Ichigo's Getsuga Tenshō being variously spelled with or without a space.
According to the official Masked and UnMasked artbooks, written by Tite Kubo himself, the Captain of Squad 2's name is supposed to be the Chinese "Suì-Fēng", which is pronounced "Soifon" in Japanese. However, VIZ Media's English localization has phonetically transcribed her name as "Soi Fon" and continues to do so even in media released after the artbooks came out — such as Bleach: Brave Souls and the Bleach: The Thousand Year Blood War Arc. However, the TV Tropes pages all refer to her as Suì-Fēng.
What seems to be the case is that the Bleach wiki has prioritized Kubo's spellings (or ones that make sense in the language the different groups use) above VIZ's official English localizations — hence them using diacritics, and spelling "Visored" instead of "Vizard" and "Vollständig" instead of "Vollsterndich" or "Voll Stern Dich"; and the Bleach TV Tropes pages seem to — intentionally or not — have followed suit. But IIRC TV Tropes' policy is to prioritize the official English localization above all others, even if it turns out that localization is incorrect — as in the case of Berserk's Band of the Hawk being properly named "Band of the Falcon" but the English localization continuing to use the incorrect translation, with TV Tropes following suit.
What should be done in this case?