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open how do i make a return to main for a characters page?
hello, i have a work that has a character page with subpages in it. however the sub page itself doesn't have a return to the main page link and i don't know how to do it and all that i tried doesn't work. can somebody help me with this?
openTitle Drop
Just stumbled upon TitleDrop.TV Tropes, which feels bizarre to say the least. It has only two examples (one with natter), hasn't been edited for seven years, and is affected by the AC markup bug (if anyone cares about that). Doesn't seem like the second one applies, and I don't think the wiki itself really has examples of this trope. Do we actually have them, or should this just be cut?
Edited by PiterpicheropenWord of Dante misuse?
- Many fans of My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic outright insist that Luster Dawn, Twilight Sparkle's top student in the Distant Finale, is canonically the daughter of Sunburst and Starlight Glimmer (or sometimes Trixie). In canon, it's actually not stated who her parents are: Josh Haber (the episode's writer) implied they might be related, while series director Jim Miller outright rejected the idea as something that cheapened the scope of the show's world. They both conclude that fans can come up with whatever they want, though.
Jim Miller: In my head, it makes a lot more sense if she's just a random student not related to anyone we've already met. And, it's always super weird if everyone is related somehow. IMO, it makes the world of the show feel smaller.
- Word of Dante: Even on this very wiki, everyone operates on the assumption that The Black Mass (the primordial entity that later became Aku) was an Omnicidal Maniac trying to devour the whole universe, but this is not established at any point. In the one episode it appears, it is simply born inan explosion of some sort, flies off, then the gods show up to destroy it while it's still seconds old, and it unsucessfully tries to fight back in self defense. The fragment that landed on Earth did indeed devour any and all creatures that came near it, but for all we know it might've simply been trying to regrow to it's original size.
Word of Dante states it's when someone of repute but no official authority/connections to the work makes a statement that's treated by fans as canon. The first is misuse as it's all about official word and Fanon. The second I believe is misuse as last I heard policy is this wiki is not to be used a reputable source save for info about this wiki, or was that just for official citation.
Also I wonder if Word of Dante should be YMMV as by definition it lacks the official contentions to the work to make it Trivia and its definition, fans treating an unofficial source as canon, sounds YMMV as who/what's treaded as such seems to come down to subjectivity.
openSpringfield as a whole is a Card Carrying Jerkass?
I found this entry on the recap page of The Simpsons episode "The Boys of Bummer"
- Card-Carrying Jerkass: The whole town quite proudly (literally, as in has it on billboards advertising the place) labels itself "The Meanest City In America".
But is this really why there is billboard that labels the city as such? For all we know, somebody outside of Springfield could've put that billboard up.
Edited by BrianKTopenCharacter limits for multi-character character pages
I wanted to ask if the 40,000 byte minimum for splitting off new character pages only applies to pages for single individuals or for groups as well. For example — say that there's a character page for The Adventures of Alice and Bob, with a section for Alice's gang and a section for Bob's gang. If Alice's folder, by itself, has less than 40k characters, it doesn't get a page. If the folders for Alice's gang, put together, also count less than 40k characters, does the ban still apply or can the group be split off into its own character page anyway?
openMohs Scale of Violence Hardness Missing Works
I noticed a few works seem to be missing from Mohs Scale Of Violence Hardness and I'm not entirely sure what exact level they would go under. As a few examples of works that are not mentioned:
- Spaceballs (Numerous Groin Attacks, a character made out of pizza eats himself)
- Jackie Chan Adventures (Martial arts violence similar to most Jackie Chan movies)
- Mortal Kombat: Defenders of the Realm (Less violent than the video game series it adapts)
- My Little Pony: The Movie (1986)
- My Little Pony: The Movie (2017) (A villain is shattered after being turned to stone, five other characters are also turned to stone yet otherwise unharmed, a few characters nearly drown, main character gets mildly electrocuted by a security system, one villain is given a scar and loses her horn in a flashback)
- My Little Pony 'n Friends
- My Little Pony Tales (Low level violence)
- My Little Pony TV Specials
- My Little Pony (G3) (Low level violence)
- My Little Pony: Pony Life (Likely similar to Teen Titans Go! or RWBY Chibi in terms of violence)
- LEGO Adaptation Games (Comedic violence done to plastic pieces)
- Injustice 2 (Similar to its predecessor)
- Team Fortress Classic (Similar yet more serious and less silly violence than its sequel)
- DEATH BATTLE! (Can have violence levels anywhere on the scale depending on the characters used and how violent their home series is)
- Star Wars: Battlefront (Similar violence level to the movies)
- Dragon Tales (Other than one character hitting another, there's little to no violence)
- Monsters vs. Aliens
- Attack of the 50 Foot Woman
- Rainbow Factory (Likely similar level of violence as Cupcakes)
- Ninja Turtles: The Next Mutation (Martial arts violence mixed with slapstick)
open People who "helpfully" cut stuff entirely instead of trying to fix it
Inspired by [https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=VideoGame.LegendOfMana#edit30094066
this edit]. Yes, I'm aware that he was correct on the fact that the section wasn't organized per TVT policy. I do, however, think that cutting it entirely without making any attempt to integrate it properly was not good. Furthermore, this is far from the only time I've seen self-appointed janitors muck up articles with hamfisted "cleanups."
Could we maybe get some kind of policy regarding this? Like don't take a weedwhacker to a page without trying to fix it up first, and if you muck the page up in the name of overzealous cleanups it's basically vandalism?
resolved Trouble with Trivia/CodesAndGeassEmbracingYourInnerMegalomania
Hello again, little bit of an issue regarding the trivia page for this fanfic, and hopefully the last one I bring to ATT since I am attempting to disassociate myself from this fic.
The Trivia page is only meant for trivia, right? Well, the author of the work, Tropers/Trickster_Priest, has restored several tropes that were removed for not being trivia tropes. Namely two Useful Notes, BDSM and Oda Nobunaga, and one normal trope: Insistent Terminology. Shouldn't they be removed though since they are not trivia?
They have also removed two tropes, Dear Negative Reader and Hostility on the Set, and an entry for another trope, Creator's Pest, with no given reason whatsoever. Unless they are cases of misuse, isn't their removal not permitted under the ruling of The Fic May Be Yours, but the Trope Page Is Ours?
I apologize for troubling you, and thank you in advance for resolving this.
Edited by RebelFalconopenPossible edit war on Overshadowed By Controversy?
On September 6th, the troper ooh added this entry
on OvershadowedByControversy.Real Life for infamous activist Louis Farrakhan:
- Louis Farrakhan of the Nation of Islam has long been known less for his support for Black equality and more for his support for Black nationalism, his open contempt for Caucasians, Jews, gays, and feminists, among others, and for making a comment praising Hitler. The fact that he may have incited the assassination of Malcolm X hasn’t helped his reputation, either. As such, the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) has deemed the Nation of Islam as a hate group. Many politicians do their level best to avoid ties with Farrakhan, and those that do have had their careers destroyed as a result.
Four days later, Chrononaut70 edited
the section to remove the part that I bolded, with the reason "In regards to Louis Farrakhan, the man himself considers Jews to be termites and whites to be less than human, and he prefers to have a black-only society separate from other races".
14 hours after Chrononaut's edit, DongwaChan edited
the section adding what was essentially a rewrite of the bolded part ("less for his influence in the black equality movement and more")... only for Dongwa to remove it almost six minutes later.
I'm not sure if this constitutes as an edit war but something appears to be going on.
Edited by SkylaNoivernopenWhat if alternate Reed Richards was awesome?
The animated series What If…? (2021) had a list of examples of Alternate Universe Reed Richards Is Awesome.
- Alternate Universe Reed Richards Is Awesome: Part of the premise of What If...? focuses on alternate versions of MCU characters, some of whom are far more powerful or stronger than their main timeline counterparts.
- Peggy Carter became a British super-soldier that took down HYDRA during World War II and saved Bucky Barnes from falling and losing his arm. She also stopped a giant Kraken from destroying the Earth and would reemerge in the present day to join the Avengers Initiative.
- Exaggerated with T'Challa as Star-Lord. Not only did he outshine his Sacred Timeline self and Peter as Star-Lord in every way possible, but he has also saved countless planets, including Drax's which means his family is still alive, and has become a well known and respected Robin Hood type hero throughout the galaxy by 2008. He even convinced Thanos to do a Heel–Face Turn.
- In the same episode with T'Challa, due to Thanos turning good the Collector takes his place as the Big Bad of the MCU and is implied to have killed, Captain America, Thor and Hela. Downplayed however as he was defeated far more easily than Thanos was in the Sacred Timeline by T'Challa.
- A rare example where a character became more awesome by going through a Face–Heel Turn with Hank Pym, who, out of vengeance for the death of Hope during a SHIELD mission, kills all the founding members of the Avengers but Captain America.
- In What If… Doctor Strange Lost His Heart Instead of His Hands?, Strange Supreme is incredibly powerful after centuries of absorbing the power of creatures from other dimensions (to the point he can actually perceive Uatu as he watches events unfold and defeat his good variant created by the Ancient One) all he accomplishes in his quest to bring back his girlfriend Christine is the complete destruction of his universe. Essentially he's what Strange would have become if he allowed his arrogance and fear of failure rule his actions.
I removed all of them, and said "All the examples are misuse. Alternate Universe Reed Richards Is Awesome is Reed Richards Is Useless being averted in an alternate universe, not about an alternate character being more "awesome" than the original". It was restored later saying "Laconically, Alternate Reed Richards Is Awesome is about an Alternate Self making changes to their world that their original version cannot. Examples for this trope on its own page also include the likes of alternate selves doing much bigger things than their original counterparts, whether good or bad. So I don't believe this trope is misuse." None of the examples explain changes about the world's setting, only changes in the dynamic of the characters, and the trope's expanded definition should take priority over the laconic entry.
By the way, as I checked the article history I noticed a mistake from my part: I removed examples of Not As You Know Them also as misuse, and now I removed examples of Same Character, But Different, misuse as well, but I did not notice that those were the same examples repurposed to another trope. Meaning, I accidentally made an edit war. I apologize if this was wrong, and please comment on this other as well.
Edited by GrigorIIopenHyperbolic Mess Chamber
I was looking through some cases of Bold Inflation when I stumbled across SerialEscalation.Live Action Films which is filled with unnecessary ALL CAPS, word cruft, over-the-top gushing, and at least one example that I'm pretty sure doesn't qualify (I'm pretty sure Avatar didn't serially escalate from anything). Is this the sort of thing we should do a cleanup for? I'd take a swing at it myself, but I'm not super familiar with a lot of these franchises.
Edited to clarify the page in question, instead of just a vague link.
Edited by AfterwordopenCreating Pages
How does one create a page? I've noticed a couple of notable things(e.g. movies, bands) that are hardly even mentioned on here, much less have their own page. I'd like to try it myself, but I don't know how or if I'm even allowed to.
openDeadman and Lobo need de-self demonstrating
So I was looking through the Comicbook section of SelfDemonstrating.Character Pages and I noticed that Deadman and Lobo are the only pages that don't actually have work pages. They need to be de-self demonstrated. I haven't read the comics myself so i cant do the work myself. What does everyone else think?
open Plot Hole example or not?
This example I added awhile back to Recap.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic S 6 E 26 To Where And Back Again Part 2 was removed.
- Plot Hole: Chrysalis's Evil Plan is revealed to be to replace and impersonate the most beloved beings in Equestria, including Celestia and Luna, to feed off the citizens love of them "for generations!" But it's unexplained how they could have kept up the act for more than a day as Celestia and Luna are required to raise the sun and moon each day and night, a power changelings lack. It was also night when they were captured but day immediately after their release.
It was cut citing "This sounds less like a Plot Hole and more like Didn't Think This Through on Chrysalis's part." It's not Didn't Think This Through which requires the lack of thought be shown or addressed in work which isn't the case.
I thought it was valid as there's seemingly no way the Evil Plan couldn't have collapsed on itself so quickly the heroes wouldn't need to rush to stop it or not trust others as it would soon be exposed to the masses. They don't even bring it up when explaining their urgency (like what would happen to the captives afterward) or when they're trying to talk the villains out of it.
Might be this more Fridge Logic as it's indirect to the main plot/conflict?
openAppearance-related tropes and live-action works
So... Is there any rule that appearance-related tropes (Older Than They Look, Younger Than They Look) or voice tropes (Vocal Dissonance, for when the live action character's voice is the same as their actor's) cannot be added to live-action works if they also apply to the character's actor and are thus by extension meta examples? I'm sure there's some exception if the character mentions something in-universe about their appearance, but still live-action works show what the actors look like and aren't unique to the work itself, especially if the actor is going through puberty or just happens to have some physical differences out of the norm for their age.
Edited by TVGuy2001openIs "Notable" Word Cruft in any fashion?
Mainly talking about the usage of the word itself in the wiki and if it falls under Word Cruft, given the existence of There Is No Such Thing as Notability.
open"Has a Point" misuse? Must explain how point is intentional?
- Dragon Ball Z provides a considerably dark example during the Cell Saga, when Gohan, in a state of Revenge Before Reason, deliberately drags his Curb-Stomp Battle with Cell out solely because he wanted him to suffer as much as possible for his crimes. While Goku and the other Z-Fighters are rightfully horrified and urge him to finish Cell off right away, Gohan is far from wrong that Cell deserved every second of it, considering the fact that he drank 600,000 innocent people, killed thousands of others in cold blood, and fully intended to hunt down and kill every last human on Earth while savoring their terror and despair.
I think this might be misuse as, while Cell deserved such, Gohan dragging it out gave Cell time to recover, nearly destroy the world necessitating Goku's sacrifice, and still came back more dangerous than ever. Gohan himself realized it was a terrible mistake afterward. It fails to say if they acknowledged Gohan's argument Cell deserved such was legit but my vague recollection of the series is no they didn't.
Should/does this, along with Jerkass Has a Point, Villain Has a Point, and Dumbass Has a Point, require in-work characters acknowledging such like with What the Hell, Hero?? And/or require in-work evidence it was intended to be a legit point?
Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught
Berserk Button: misusing Nightmare Fuel
openComplaining and poor grammar on Music
Radiant Dawn Lord has made a few very complainy edits, with grammar and wording issues, to YMMV.Music 2021. The most recent one, which was made today, is this one:
- Unintentionally Sympathetic: Aside from Maddie being forced to take the role as an autistic character and was very sad about it, the character Music herself suffers from this. Her sister, Zu, just sees her as an unhuman-like burden, and all those supposed "treatments" she gets when she stims are actually restraining techniques that are SO BAD they can potentially hurt, or worst-case kill, Music. It's really not hard to feel sorry her, character and actress. Seriously, Music and Maddie should have deserved better, and should have been not made as caricatures not just for autistic people, but also for disabled people in general.
Others include the following (these have since been rewritten):
- Pandering to the Base (just this alone, with no additional context)
- They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character: Music, oh so much. If this film actually received any help from REAL autistic people, Music would've not only had more screen time, but would've also been portrayed as a much more reasonable and sympathetic character who'll actually have a very cement supporting relationship with her sister, rather than as an immature Hollywood autistic burden she was being portrayed as.
- They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot: Obviously, this film would have been more meaningful and inspirational if the main character, Zu, actually spent some time in the film getting to know her sister, Music, and understand her needs so both Music and Zu can have a decent character development plot. But, instead, this is just about Zu, and only Zu, trying to cope with own struggles of alcoholism, drug dealing, and trying to deal with her "poorly behaved" autistic sister, and not much else.
I have previously sent a notifier for the poor grammar on these past edits.
Edited by ZuxtronopenVinesauce Characters Page Reversion Request (No Longer Needed) Web Original
So, on August 23rd someone tried to restructure the Characters page for Vinesauce, but they've sadly done a bit of a botch job of it and made a mess of the page layout. If it's alright, could I please request a reversion to before those edits were made? It would really save me or someone else the trouble of having fix such major edits manually. Also, sorry if I've done this wrong. I've never done this before and I'm just going on the advice of someone on the discussion page. Edit: Never mind,since this post got no attention I just decided to give it some elbow grease and fix the page myself. Hopefully I did a good enough job.
Edited by BootlegSkeleton

There's a user named JBriskin who has been putting down edits on the Pocahontas character pages, specifically under Chief Powhatan. The edits are mostly about how his actual name is Wahunsenacah. I don't know if this is actually true or not, given that Powhatan himself was inspired by the real Powhatan and is his name was Wahunsenacah; but his actual name was never once spoken in any of the movies.
The point is, when I tried fixing these edits, JBriskin changed them back. What do you think? Would what he's doing be considered inserting false information?
Here's the link to the history page.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Characters.Pocahontas
Edited by kittyface44