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openTrivia misuse?
On the TV show Euphoria, there's a joke about a character being a One Direction fangirl who wrote Louis x Harry fanfiction - complete with a fully-animated Imagine Spot sex scene. The real Louis Tomlinson has made it known that he really didn't like the joke.
This was originally noted on the Trivia page
for Euphoria under Disowned Adaptation. I deleted it because Disowned Adaptation is "Creator rejects adaptation of original work," not "Celebrity doesn't like a Real-Person Fic joke about themself."
It's since been re-added (not by the original Troper who added it) under Creator Backlash, which I'm pretty sure is still misuse, because that's "Creator comes to hate their own work." Am I right in this line of thinking? I don't want to delete it again and start an edit war, but it seems like shoehorning.
Edited by iamconstantineopenTroping creative work hosted on Neopets?
A post in the Roleplay Cleanup thread
made me start thinking about how much untapped potential the Neopian Times has for finding tropeworthy creative works. For those who don't know, the Neopian Times is a newsletter produced by Neopets, filled with creative content made by site players, from comic strips to short stories to longform stories. There's a lot of really, really tropeworthy stuff hidden away in that one corner of the website.
My question is, if I did one day decide to go on an Archive Binge and find as many tropes as possible from these stories, how would I trope them? I don't think they'd go on the Neopets page itself, since the stories weren't produced by the site, merely hosted on them. At the same time, making separate pages for each work seems a little much, though I can definitely see how these stories could be considered fanworks.
So, how do?
open Seeker of Crocus discussion
I feel like I'm opening a can of worms here, but I'm literally gonna go mad
So, I stopped reading this little spin off from the Blossomverse a long time ago after a lovely response by Green_Phantom_Queen from one of my criticisms, but after reading updates about the latest chapter (or more specifically the one before it) I feel like this needs some serious discussion:
So. to make a long story short: Chloe goes absolutely apesheet after Sara. with the power of the Unown, cripples Parker (oh no), merges Professor Cerise with an unown-made copy of himself to create a perfect version of her father (OH NO!) and is about to pull a Parker on all of Vermillion City all of spite. Professor Sycamore, the main character of the story, tries to talk her down, but not only does she rebukes him, but does so by tearing down his optimistic point of view and stating she's going to kill the culprit to stop them no matter what he said.
This hurts him bad enough, but then Specter (from Yu-Gi-Oh) talks her down by appeasing to her pessimism and does so in a way that makes the professor looks completely useless, which in turn causes him to go nuts.
The Professor merges with his shadow and intents to either destroy everything or Restart the World because he's grown sick of the story's growing pessimism and his inability to do jacksheet despite being the freaking main character, and he has to get his madness sealed before he kills everyone.
After all of this... the story tries to paint Chloe as having done nothing wrong, and instead show that Professor Sycamore is the one who needs to learn a lesson, not her.
Now, I don't know about you, but this looks to me like co-writer Green_Phantom_Queen (Spinnerette is the main author, but I haven't read her works that much, and even if I did, all this writing just reeks of Queen's traits) has learned absolutely nothing about the previous year or two writing the Blossomverse, but I do feel like this situation is a bit too complicated to see it like that.
So, what do you guys think? Is Chloe at fault? Is Professor Sycamore at fault? Is Specter at fault? Is nobody at fault? Just... let's try to reach a consensus here.
And note: Green_Phantom_Queen and Shady Missionary are not allowed here. This is for unbiased, third person opinions only.
Edited by MacronNotesopenEdit War?
So on Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice DogOnRollerSkates added
this Broken Aesop example:
- Broken Aesop: Batman's initially portrayed as having lost his way by developing into brutal, merciless killer. However, even after he has a Heel Realization, he's still shown indulging in the same kind of behavior that was previously portrayed negatively. The fact that Zach Snyder has made comments seemingly defending his killings only further muddies up the issue.
Then MasterHero removed
it with a link to a video as an edit reason, which is a bad edit reason, but then DogOnRollerSkates re-added
it without discussing it the edit reason of "You can’t just attach a separate video to justify cutting a trope, if you wish to do so state the reasoning yourself and see if it stands. And given the point this trope brings up has been repeatedly discussed since release and is even mentioned elsewhere on this page, it’s odd that it wouldn’t be here in the first place." Which while I agree with, the latter part has nothing to do with the first part.
Is this an Edit War?
Edited by Bullmanresolved How to suggest a rename for a trope?
Ever since I saw the Everything Has Rhythm trope existed, I've been thinking it should be renamed to Rhythm And Brooms.
The reason for this is because the stereotype involves brooms being used as a makeshift dance partner, and is a pun of “rhythm and blues”.
I haven't suggested it, because A) I don't know where one would go to do that. And B) I don't want to do it myself, as I'm pretty sure that changing a trope name without consultation is tantamount to vandalism.
Anyone willing to give me a hand?
Edited by Trogdor7620openAbout BadassAdorable Videogame
Hey there. I'm sorry if this query has been posted before, but I've been seeing this trope abused a lot lately to the point that it's practically become a vague catch-all term for literally anything and everything that a troper finds admirable/likable about a character. One recent example I deleted was from this character's page: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/FinalFantasyXIIILightning
Here's what the trope entry said: "A beautiful woman who changed herself into a stronger, more confident person capable of protecting both herself and her little sister."
Like, I know this character, and at best the only traits that could be subjectively seen as "adorable" out of her are those rare moments she goofs up. Most of the time, she's either a rude and edgy type (pre character development) or a serious and caring yet still edgy type (post character development), and doesn't even have the least bit of semblance to how a physically adorable character is supposed to be.
Could it be the way the trope page is written? Is it okay to just have it turn into an ambiguous, loose terminology?
openMe's A Crowd not looking so crowded
Just checked the subpage, MesACrowd.Film, the last time I saw that being several months ago and... what happened all the examples? The entire list has been neutered to two entries...
I checked the Edit reason and it seems like half of the stuff has been relocated to Self-Duplication. Which is fine, but a further line below claims the "other" half of the examples are moved to Bio Duplication, a trope that... uh, doesn't seem to exist.
Also, is there a rule for borderline page blanking without enquiring the rest of the forum? Or maybe I missed out a forum announcement or something?
EDIT: Also its just the film's subpage, I checked the Me's a Crowd pages for Anime, TV series, Video games, books, none of them seems edited
Edited by RobertTYLopenShould this example be restored?
An entry for Final Boss was removed here
, with the stated reason that the fight in the example is not major enough to count. I sent a message about this soon after, arguing that Final Boss is based on a fight being last, not necessarily major, and that "the Jinx confrontation that comes immediately after" is irrelevant since it wasn't a fight. Haven't heard anything back.
I hesitate to restore it myself since I did some editing on that entry, and didn't want to potentially edit war.
resolved Bloated-if-not-questionable Cowboy Bebop At His Computer example Web Original
On the Trivia page for Jimquisition, there's a Cowboy BeBop at His Computer example that was added and serial tweaked across last November, and while I already take issue with the unwieldy length of the example, I watched the episode it's referring to, and I'm not sure it's accurate. Here's what it is:
- In "Why Emulating Nintendo Games Is Good, Probably"
, Jim kept equating Piracy and Emulation as one in the same throughout the video; which it is not. Piracy would be stealing a game rom to play on an emulator, whereas emulators themselves is the means to play said game. While they can be used to play pirated games, if one is prepared enough, you can just dump the games yourself (something all emulators suggest you do specifically to avoid lawsuits and copyright infringement). Jim doesn't seem to realise that emulators can also do a lot more than just play games. You can outright make homebrew games for that system, mod the game to make it look better with texture packs and custom levels, or use cheat codes to enhance the experience. None of this was mentioned by them, despite being perfectly legal activities to do, and also a draw to emulator enthusiasts. If emulators were the driving issue, Nintendo and other game companies would've attempted to sue them all years agonote and there is a reason most emulators are open source; to prove to the companies and their users that their code is not stolen from outside sources or was made with a leaked companies' data. The premise of the video is also flawed because they claim games media doesn't talk about emulation because it's a taboo subject, and goes off on a tangent about how the media relies too much on connections to get news and review copies. While the observation is mostly true, It doesn't occur to them that a press outlet featuring emulators semi-frequently will inevitably lead to the Streisand Effect; more people pirating games to try out the emulator because they heard it in an article that would otherwise not feature it (something Jim themselves is an example of; Jim went out and bought a handheld game emulator loaded with what they imply are illegitimately obtained roms because they wanted to use an emulator to protest against Nintendo's online service that they found out via a news article via Kotaku).
Except the video doesn't treat piracy and emulation as the same thing. In fact, going off of the way that Jim words themselves, the video acknowledges and understands that piracy is a mere facet of emulation more than it is the same thing. Jim's video treats it as part of the bigger issue of how Nintendo does nothing to make their service worth the money in the face of people being able to access their older games for free illegitimately, and it seems like that's the actual premise of the video more than the topic of gaming media being coy about emulation, especially since the early portion revolves around an article that's being anything but coy about it. More to the point, the video backs this distinction up further by explicitly pointing out that the Kotaku article in question isn't encouraging piracy so much as it's reporting on something that's proven to be possible on emulation software.
From what I can conclude from rewatching the video, this example seems to revolve around a lack of distinction that not only isn't visible anywhere in the video, but wouldn't have been important to the video's point even if it was. It can't just be me noticing this, right?
At the very least, the example looks like it could do with a trim and a tiny bit of grammar cleanup, if we were to keep it.
Edited by Akriloth2160openAssistance with Character page
Because I don't want to start an edit war or anything, I figured I'd just come directly here for assistance. Troper "BoopFreak12" removed the tropes "Kids Are Cruel" and "Unreliable Narrator" from My Hero Academia - Dabi, and edited the entry for Dark and Troubled Past to place the blame solely on his (admittedly abusive) father Enji. No edit reason was listed for any of this. This in turns reads like they were trying to change anything that suggested Dabi wasn't purely a victim as a child, to the point of deleting entries that had canon basis. Should the entries be restored or not?
- Kids Are Cruel: Downplayed. At 13 years old, Toya was so obsessed with gaining validation from his father that he was rather indifferent at best, and insulting at worst, to his mother and siblings. This is best shown when he accuses his mother of being weak-willed and submissive to a man who deems him a failed creation, not caring about the pressure she routinely endured being a victim to Enji's abuse.
- Unreliable Narrator: Of his own public broadcast to discredit the heroes, and lampshaded as he shows a blood test to prove he's Endeavor's son when he notes that anything that comes from a known villain's mouth is already suspect. Toya claims that he was a Child by Rape and put under Training from Hell before being discarded and his siblings were other "failed" attempts, but Endeavor's own flashback remembering Toya's apparent death and circumstances beforehand show that Toya was eager to train and learn from Endeavor despite his handicap (and if anything, it was Endeavor who showed more concern for his well-being) plus the reveal Fuyumi was mutually conceived by himself and Rei to give Toya a sibling to be supported by as much as to try and get a child with a balance of their Quirks. He shows edited footage of Twice's death by Hawks' hands to paint the hero as a murderer rather than someone forced into a no-win scenario, and mentions that Hawks killed Best Jeanist (although Dabi genuinely did believe that Hawks killed Best Jeanist, and was just as shocked as anyone else when the No. 3 Hero showed up).
- BEFORE:
- Dark and Troubled Past: He came from a wealthy heroic family with his father being the Number Two hero, Endeavor. His father, wanting to surpass All Might at any cost, sired a son with Rei Todoroki who he planned to train as his successor and achieve his ultimate goal. However, Toya was born with a body that didn’t suit his Quirk, meaning that he would severely hurt himself if he continued to use it. Endeavor, out of concern, did everything he thought he could to dissuade Toya from becoming a hero, including having another successor. But instead, Endeavor’s efforts made Toya feel abandoned and left him with deep existential issues and long-term injuries from wanting to prove his worth to his father throughout his early childhood. Not long after, he caused a forest fire while training his Quirk in the mountains which may have resulted in nearly all of his body becoming disfigured with horrific burn scars while the majority of his family believed him to be dead. It is safe to say Toya didn't have an easy life.
- AFTER:
- Dark and Troubled Past: He came from a wealthy heroic family with his father being the Number Two hero, Endeavor. His father, wanting to surpass All Might at any cost, sired a son with Rei Todoroki who he planned to train as his successor and achieve his ultimate goal. However, Toya was born with a body that didn’t suit his Quirk, meaning that he would severely hurt himself if he continued to use it. Endeavor
, out of concern, did everything he thought he couldtried to dissuade Toya from becoming a hero,includingby having another successor. successor as well as running away from his responsibilties as a parent. But instead, instead of these efforts helping, Endeavor’seffortsdecisions made Toya feel abandoned and left him with deep existential issues and long-term injuries from wanting to prove his worth to his father throughout his early childhood. Not long after, he caused a forest fire while training his Quirk in the mountains which may have resulted in nearly all of his body becoming disfigured with horrific burn scars while the majority of his family believed him to be dead. It is safe to say Toya didn't have an easy life.
- Dark and Troubled Past: He came from a wealthy heroic family with his father being the Number Two hero, Endeavor. His father, wanting to surpass All Might at any cost, sired a son with Rei Todoroki who he planned to train as his successor and achieve his ultimate goal. However, Toya was born with a body that didn’t suit his Quirk, meaning that he would severely hurt himself if he continued to use it. Endeavor
openNamesTheSame Cleanup?
Many of the examples listed under Names The Same contradict what the entry says.
Common names and/or first names only, whereas the main page says they need to be identical first and last names.
- Marge: Ed Huddles' wife or Homer Simpson's wife.
- Marie is either a cute kitten or the blue-haired Kanker.
- Mariposa is the Spanish word for "butterfly", but it could also refer to either a butterfly fairy or Marco Diaz's baby sister.
- Margo is either the eldest of the Gru girls, a stuck-up stick bug, or one of Lynn's teammates.
- Not to be confused with Margot, a female mallard who attends Perfecto Prep or Margaux, a friend of Punky Brewster.
- Maurice is either Belle's father, King Julien's assistant, or Twister's real name.
- Mavis is either a diesel engine who works for the Ffarqhuar Quarry Company or Count Dracula's daughter.
- Spelled various ways, Terry/Terri/Teri could be either one half of a pair of homosexual news reportersnote , a hypochondriac paper bear, two monsters that share a body, one of the Mc Nulty brothers, one of a pair of twins attending Springfield Elementary, a cryogenics scientist with a flair for drama, a different news reporter with luscious red hair, or some sort of legally safe knockoff of an 80s horror character with miniature swords for fingers instead of knives.
Obvious literary and historical references, which are not coincidental.
- Balrog is most famously either the American Boxer in English or the Spanish Ninja in Japanse, as well as the anthropomorphic bar of soap. It's also one of the aliens in Insaniquarium. Then there's the Balrog, in several The Lord of the Rings-inspired games. Or the Grandmaster's flying battleship in the Strider games.
- The Bandersnatch. Recurring enemy and/or boss in the series? Or a one-armed B.O.W. lurking around Rockfort Island?
- You got Fatman, a mad bomber on rollerblades hell-bent on blowing up The Big Shell, and the Fat Man, a nuclear catapult weapon capable of launching miniature nukes. There's also the eponymous villain from Tongue of the Fatman. And then there is FATMAN from Armored Core.
Intentional examples of reusing character names, either by the creative staff or a franchise, violating the "coincidental" and "unrelated works" clauses in the header (and thus more fit for Production Throwback or Mythology Gag).
- Star Wars: The Clone Wars includes a Roonan senator named Aang, not to be confused with the Avatar. Likely not a coincidence, as The Clone Wars director Dave Filoni previously worked on Avatar.
- Oddly enough, the Transformers franchise does this within itself. Being named Prowl, Thrust, Snarl, Inferno, or one of any of the other most common names in the Cybertronian phone book, it doesn't mean you've got anything in common with anyone else with the same name.
- The Defenders: The first from 1961, the second from 2010. Both unrelated to each other apart from being on CBS.
- It's also the name of a Marvel comic book, and a Netflix series based on Marvel Comics.
Things that aren't character names (and are so generic they're not really noteworthy):
- Both Friday Night Lights and Degrassi have High School teams named Panthers with school colo(u)rs blue and gold. A classic Justified Trope since neither series uses Where the Hell Is Springfield? with one school in Texas and the other in Toronto.
- Both are named after real schools' teams: Odessa Permian HS and Paris District HS.
- In Star Trek, a replicator is a machine capable of creating (and recycling) objects. In Stargate SG-1, a replicator is an antagonistic self-replicating machine that propagates by ingesting the metals that make up civilizations and use them to create either blocks that form the bug-like version or smaller cells that compose the human-form "Replicators".
There's probably a dozen other issues, but the page too huge to go through since people keep adding meaningless bloat based on vague similarities. I think the page needs to be gutted and clear notability guidelines established.
Edited by WarriorsGateopenTo Split, or Not To Split?
Tiny Meat Gang is a page that has bugged me for a while, because it doesn't just trope the duo as a musical act / podcast, but also contains tropes pertaining to Cody Ko's YouTube channel, which (especially recently) hasn't always even involved Noel (who also has his own channel).
Should the page be split into Music/ (or Podcast/) and then a Web Video page for Cody himself?
openCreate parent universe trope? Literature
I built the Threadbare and Small Medium entries regarding series by Andrew Seiple set in the common universe of Generica Online. I occasionally find myself copy-pasting entries to both pages when I find a trope common to the universe in general. To use a mildly trivial example, the world has an in-universe Cap on class levels (due to the world being associated in some way with an MMORPG) that has in-story effects. I could list that the cap exists on both works pages, but it seems to make more sense to put it on a Generica Online page.
openSelf-Rule 34
Would examples where a creator themself makes Rule 34 of their own characters (outside the actual canon) go under Rule 34 – Creator Reactions?
Edited by OpabiniaopenOverly long entry Film
The YMMV page for Black Panther has a very long entry for Draco in Leather Pants:
- Thanks to his sympathetic backstory as well as the fact he makes a few good points about social and political issues, Killmonger has a few zealous fans who tend to completely overlook the fact that he's still a remorseless killer who has no qualms about innocent people (even children) dying for the sake of his goals. Sterling K. Brown even spoke out
about it, pointing out that while his intentions were noble, he committed several unambiguously evil acts including murdering his girlfriend, killing Zuri, and destroying the heart-shaped herb so he could keep the Black Panther powers for himself. Hell, his very first scene in the movie has him mocking a totally innocent tour guide for drinking poisoned coffee, just because her understanding of African history is based on Western academic beliefs (even though she's likely just repeating what she's been taught, and is actually being quite nice to him.) Marvel Studios themselves seem to have realized they made the character too sympathetic as the character's next appearance in the ''What If?'' series serves as a further indictment of the character by dismantling whatever justifications he has for his actions, demonstrating how flawed his plan is, and showing he cares more about himself than other black people.
This comes off more like an essay, and I think the opening lines make the point well enough. Should this be trimmed down?
Edited by Javertshark13open The Problem With Pen Island's subpages are too large and need cleanup
So, I went to The Problem with Pen Island's two subpages (both detailing This Very Wiki) and found a lot of typos. While this is not so bad as I usually fix it myself, the pages are huge, and it'd take me around an hour to clean up a folder.
Should we split the pages? What do we do about all the cleanup needed? And why has this gone unnoticed for so long? (Or am I not meant to touch those pages?)
Edited by ARandomPageopenMulti-language quote
So I checked out Administrivia.Text Formatting Rules to check out its quote formatting section and I didn't get the answer to my question, so here it is - how do we format a quote if the person switches languages throughout it?
Specifically, I'm eventually going to propose a Complete Monster quote, and the speaker is a Chinese-American who switches languages throughout the quote. For a brief excerpt, he says "I want you to show yourself for the good of all", then immediately switches to Chinese to say "I don't want to shoot you all". How would that be formatted? Would we just italicize the Chinese parts or something else??
openEvilIsCool.DemonSlayer Anime
I noticed in YMMV.Demon Slayer Kimetsu No Yaiba that the villains Doma and Muzan are listed under the trope Evil Is Cool. While you might be able to argue that Doma falls into this trope (I haven't read the manga), the reasons listed line up better with Love to Hate, which he's already listed as.
Muzan himself is another matter. Not only are his actions gratuitous and very excessive (including the way he acts towards his henchmen), he's also considered to be an Anti-Climax Boss due to the fight against him being thought of as less interesting than his subordinates due to him being Unskilled, but Strong.
Edited by 227someguyopenGainax Ending Cleanup?
So I wasn't sure about posting this in short term projects, as I wanted to get some consensus first.
But I was going through Gainax Ending after being potholed there and...it has some problems. I don't think the trope itself needs to be fixed, but there is some misuse, and it also leads into complaining as editors often use it as a way of saying "this ending is confusing and that means bad".
Here's an example:
- Lost seems like this trope if you have no knowledge of 2,000 year old religions like Neoplatonism or Gnosticism that it draws from (or can't type "dharma" into Wikipedia). Since the ending does make sense but is hidden under enough Mind Screw to not have an easy explanation, it is the second form of Gainax Ending. If an ending requires a couple of college courses (such as "Religious Studies") or other extensive off-screen research to understand it, it's a Gainax Ending.
Sniping aside, this example tells me precisely nothing about what actually happens in the ending of Lost. Now, I've seen it, but if I hadn't, this example would be the opposite of informative.
But there are plenty of examples where I haven't seen the thing in question, so I wouldn't know to correct them. But there are also a lot of ZC Es (one example in Film mentions a Sy Fy original but doesn't even name the film in question), that amount to "X movie has an ending that is totally crazy, nobody knows what it means!" without saying what makes the ending so crazy.
The example for Dr. T and the Women does this as it does mention what happens- "the protagonist ends up in Mexico and helps deliver a baby." which ironically leaves out the part this actually odd-he only gets to Mexico (presumably) because a tornado drops him there.
Is this a big enough issue to require a Clean-up thread? Or should I just correct the examples I know about (like Lost) and leave the rest up to others.
Also-should Gainax Ending really apply to say, season finales or the like? I saw an episode on Euphoria (which is what brought me here), that was basically "this season ends on a weird note, but then subsequent events make it more clear".

So on RelationshipWritingFumble.Animated Films JoLuRo075 deleted
this Frozen entry:
Their edit reason was "Incest?, squick" and while I don't disagree this is also a legit example as a lot of fans did see the writing fumble. The also deleted
this entry from YMMV.Madagascar 3 Europes Most Wanted:
Also probably unrelated but they also deleted these from AmbiguouslyGay.Animated Films