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openDoes this fit as Even Evil Has Standards? Videogame
In Poppy Playtime, the corrupt, child experiment supporting evil CEO Leith Pierre, after a catastrophe happens in his factory's theater, does something to a large group of people that another executives questions they had to do. (It's heavily implied the theater burned down and he trapped the the theatergoers inside to protect company secrets, denying them a chance to evacuate and survive). However, it's Leith who people say Even Evil Has Standards applies to.
- Even Evil Has Standards: Leith is a vile man, but he was enraged at Harley Sawyer when Gerad Lockharte accused the latter of causing the Theater Incident [...]
resolved Make Your Mark Page image changed without discussion
User FaolanCortez
changed the page image for WesternAnimation.My Little Pony Make Your Mark. I reverted it and explained he had to consult the Image Pickin’ forum if he wanted to change the page image, but then he changed it back again and claimed it was a “image quality upgrade”
For reference, this was the original image:

I’m not gonna change it back otherwise I’m dragging myself into another edit war. Any thoughts, or should I have brought this to the IP myself?
Edited by BlueBlazesresolved Is spoilering out an entire example fine with the spoiler policy? Western Animation
So I noticed on both WesternAnimation.K Pop Demon Hunters and YMMV.K Pop Demon Hunters that the same troper, ReginaldOgron5, edited two separate entries for the same reason: they're both completely
spoilered out
(though for the YMMV example I can at least understand a little more, with the Fan Wank explanation).
My concern is... there's multiple other completely spoilered out examples on both of those pages? And the thing is, not only are both of those examples not Self Fulfilling Spoilers, but they're also... actual spoilers that should be spoilered?
So I'm just wondering... is this correct? Is a completely spoilered out example fine?
Edited by EisneropenAre Fandom Rivalry and Friendly Fandoms mutually exclusive? Videogame
On YMMV.Mario Kart World, there's this entry:
- Fandom Rivalry: With Sonic Racing: CrossWorlds, due to the long-time Mario-Sonic rivalry and that both games are looking to expand upon vehicle transformation and otherwise take their respective series in bold new directions.
Seems kind of stubby, just making surface-level comparisons between the two games and the two franchises' history together, but I didn't really question it since Nintendo seems to still get compared to Sega even years after the latter exited the console business.
Then I scrolled down and saw this:
- Friendly Fandoms:
- Despite the historical rivalry and the duel with Sonic Racing: CrossWorlds, Mario Kart World in general has been positively received by fans of Sonic the Hedgehog, due to World's surprisingly robust movement mechanics that seemingly take close inspiration from Sonic itself, namely wall running, "spammable" aerial tricks, and rail grinding. For CrossWorlds specifically, many fans also see it and World as worthy competition which can take the Mascot Racer genre to new heights. It helps that both games are taking different approaches, with Mario focusing on open-world checkpoint racing while Sonic is sticking with circuit tracks.
So which is it? Can both happen at the same time? If not, which do we keep?
resolved Is "All-New Venom" page overdoing it a little with the Paul hate? Literature
I noticed recent edits to All-New Venom seem to be definitively describing Paul Rabin as an abusive asshole selfishly gaslighting and brainwashing Mary Jane into staying with him when she clearly still loves Peter Parker.
Now, I don't like Paul any more than... well... pretty much everyone, including the writers and artists at Marvel, but that strikes me as going into Alternative Character Interpretation territory—indeed, Paul being an abusive asshole who uses gaslighting and dark magic to manipulate MJ into staying with him when she still loves Peter Parker is mentioned under Alternative Character Interpretation on the YMMV page.
If anything, Paul is depicted as a Butt-Monkey who's effectively being cuckolded by the Venom symbiote and is disrespected by Dylan Brock at every available opportunity despite reaching out to the latter and trying to be a supportive father figure.
Edited by Arawn999openExample seems too defensively-written
On Characters.James And The Giant Peach, there's this example on the Centipede's folder:
- The Millstone: In the book, his sole contribution to the party is gnawing over the peach stalk and getting it rolling. After that, he mainly makes nuisances of himself (though he does get some of the funniest lines and sings most of the books' songs).
I feel like the part in parentheses seems too much like it's trying to defend the Centipede, and seems too partisan.
resolved Colonel-Knight-Rider and The Super Mario Bros. Movie Hate
Okay, so a certain troper, Colonel-Knight-Rider, has been adding multiple They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character entries on the YMMV section of The Super Mario Bros. Movie and one of them especially stuck out to me as being especially nitpicky.
- Spike. His only reason for being in the movie is to drive home the point further that Mario and Luigi hated their old jobs, whatever they were, hence their plumbing business; and that they've received unjust derision for their ambitions, which they've already received repeatedly from their father. Beyond that, he does nothing to help or hinder Mario's quest to save Luigi. And, during the final battle, pretty much all Spike does is notice Bowser's castle popping up in Brooklyn before fleeing from the unusual sight. If Spike disappeared from the movie, the Mario Bros. would still undergo the same character arc of trying to win their father's approval. (By contrast, the activities of what many consider to be his 1993 movie counterpart Anthony Scapelli kickstart the Bros.' whole interdimensional adventure!)
Ignoring the fact that Spike's whole point in the movie is to be a minor character, he actually does impact the plot in some way by being one of the main reasons for why Mario feels so "small" and "insignificant" to everyone and adding to Mario's motivation of wanting to feel more important, which is what motivates him to fix a flooding in Brooklyn and therefore leads him and Luigi to the Mushroom Kingdom and the Dark Lands respectively and the rest is history. Also some weird 1993 movie glazing because Vindicated by History I guess.
Also the troper who added this, Colonel-Knight-Rider, seemingly has a serious vendetta and hatred towards this movie as they have been adding constant negative examples and downright complainy edits at times to their examples in this movie's YMMV section (with them also citing a random YouTuber, The Little Platoon, who gave a negative review towards the movie in many of their YMMV edits and examples for some reason)
This is their edit about said YouTuber in the Awesome Music section for some reason.
- While YouTube commentator The Little Platoon argued that the movie wasted a lot of opportunities to do something original with its source material to create a unique experience one couldn't get from just playing a game, he, too, stated that he enjoyed Tyler's score, citing it as the most redeeming aspect of the film by balancing the familiar with the new.
This is their edit about said YouTuber again on the They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot section.
- Another complaint among fans, particularly YouTube commentators such as The Little Platoon, is that the movie wasted its potential to do something more with its references besides simply showing them to appeal to nostalgia for the games—specifically, to use them to build a more complex and intricate world with them and develop the main and supporting cast more, as well as to take time to introduce the characters and the world they inhabit to people who might not know who they are (sure, Mario and Luigi are pretty well-known even in non-fan circles, but not as many non-fans know who Peach, Bowser, Toad, Kamek, etc. are), in a manner similar to how the Marvel Cinematic Universe introduced its characters to non-Marvel Comics fans and expanded the Marvel fanbase as a result.
All of this implies a possible case of Single-Issue Wonk is at foot here. For example, this is a Kong section that they added to the They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character section with an especially complainy part at the end that was edited out by another troper.
- The Kongs themselves. Even if Peach had never taken Mario and Toad to the Jungle Kingdom, Mario still would have trained more to learn how different power-ups work and how to navigate different obstacles, used the power-ups to be a One-Man Army and save Luigi and the other hostages, accidentally transported the principle players and Bowser's castle to Brooklyn, gotten a hold of the Super Star, and saved the day, just like he does in the final cut. In that sense, the Kongs, like a lot of stuff in this movie, were added solely for nostalgic appeal and contribute nothing to the outcome of the story whatsoever.
This is not the first time they’ve done this too. They did this before on January this year as well with just as much of an egregiously complainy addition at the end as well. I deleted this one myself because of how egregiously complainy it was as well as giving reasons as to why the Kongs were necessary to the plot of the movie.
- The Kongs. With or without them, Mario still would've trained to perfection (and likely learned more about how powerups work, so he'd know which to use to save the prisoners himself without Donkey Kong's strength) rescued Luigi, created a dimensional merge with the Bomber Bill, and saved the day with the Super Star, just like he did. Effectively, with the Bros. being a one- (or two-) man army, Peach didn't need help from the Kongs at all, but they were clearly included nonetheless to pad out the runtime and for nostalgic appeal, as were a fair bit of things in this movie.
I tried DMing them to stop with their seemingly Single-Issue Wonk behavior regarding this movie and they did at first adjust and edit their Kong example to be more fair and less complainy as shown here:
- The Kongs, at least those excluding Donkey Kong. Even if Peach had never taken Mario and Toad to the Jungle Kingdom, Mario still would have trained more to learn how different power-ups work and how to navigate different obstacles, used the power-ups to be a One-Man Army and save Luigi and the other hostages (possibly with a strength-granting power-up like the Mega Mushroom), accidentally transported the principle players and Bowser's castle to Brooklyn, gotten a hold of the Super Star, and saved the day, just like he does in the final cut. All while not being eaten by the Maw-Ray as a result of never traveling by Kong-made Karts. Although it could be counter-argued that DK's strength is necessary to hoist the prisoners to freedom, with the prospect of saving his species as his motive, the rest of the Kongs don't really get a chance to do what they were hired for after that and fight against Bowser's forces.
and I thought they had stopped altogether, but they have since then continued to add more negative examples like the "Spike" one as well as a So Okay, It's Average example towards the movie as well.
- In the view of professional and amateur critics alike, while the movie succeeds in avoiding Illumination's usual film structure and offers some impressive animation, orchestral scoring, and obvious passion for the source material, it doesn't offer much else beyond that. So, it's a fun, harmless means of escapism Mario fans of all ages with a good few memorable action sequences, and it took a labor of love to create every piece of eye and ear candy, but those expecting to see groundbreaking plot development, complex character dynamics, and meta-humor on par with those of The LEGO Movie or Barbie shouldn't get their hopes up high.
This is an Ass Pull entry that they added on January this year that I deleted for reasons explaining how it’s not an Ass Pull.
- Toad is somehow able to smuggle an ice flower into Peach's wedding bouquet so she can use it to freeze Bowser despite the movie not showing how he got it, let alone in a giant floating castle island made of volcanic rock.
I went to the They Wasted A Perfectly Good Cleanup forum
and they gave me permission to delete their They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character entries so I already took care of those.
Is there anything we should do about the others?
Edited by Fireball246resolved What if a work doesn't have an official English translation? Web Original
It's exclusively in Korean. There isn't any fan translations either. Do I translate the work's title and character names into English myself?
Edited by BriliantDropresolved Preventing edit war from continuing Film
The troper ~Remnant 43 has been repeatedly adding Not-So-Well-Intentioned Extremist to the villain Remmick's character sheet on Sinners (2025). They first did so here
, giving an edit reason. I disagree with the use of the trope and others did too as another troper, ~Wet Flannels altered the trope back to Well-Intentioned Extremist here
. Remnant altered it back once again here
with a frankly rude and accusatory edit reason this time.
This feels rather like the issue we ran into with one troper insisting Charles zi Britannia from Code Geass was a Not-So-Well-Intentioned Extremist based on the work's protagonist's line about him being selfish. A villain can be selfish and have a god complex. Well-Intentioned Extremist just requires they believe in what they're saying and this applies to Remmick. He's absorbing people in his vampire Hive Mind and wants to recreate his lost culture but he repeatedly states it will be a happy world, he believes in equality and Remnant's arguments hit of trying to play up the fact he has negative traits to allege his good intentions are wholly shut down, which isn't the case.
That's my stance at least, the much bigger problem is Remnant continually re-adding the trope and their attitude given in their latest edit reason.
Thoughts?
Edited by PassingThroughopenMake Your Mark Western Animation
To whomever it may concern,
I’m fairly new here in TV Tropes and I noticed that the page image for Make Your Mark in Western Animation isn’t the correct show logo since it has an outdated logo with the fourth generation design on top of the current. Is it possible to be adjusted to the show’s intro picture that I previously used since it’s more accurate to the animation itself, and not an outdated poster? My sincerest apologies that this wasn’t first brought up here.
openQuestion regarding AI upscaling
Awhile back I saved a reminder to my first sandbox about page image uploading (I'm not sure if I should link it directly to the forums just to be safe?) as a reminder to myself and it got me thinking...
"What are the rules for AI upscaling images? Is there a ban on doing such? Should we only upscale images if the page really needs it? If there is an image I think is super relevant but it's super low quality (and can't find a higher quality version), should it be AI upscaled or not posted onto the site at all?"
PS. I know how to use Photoshop but I don't know how to upscale images manually without using AI tech. I have never upscaled an image before and I do my own trope writing by myself without AI.
openDid I misinterpret the rules for Useful Notes?
I noticed that UsefulNotes.The Studentenverbindung had a big list of tropes. To my knowledge (I am going off Useful Notes and things I have read about in the Useful Notes cleanup thread
), Useful Notes can have trope lists, but they have to describe media depictions, rather than trope the subject itself.
The Studentenverbindung's trope list seemed to be troping the subject directly, so, on June 11, I made an edit
where I renamed the header from "Tropes associated with Studentenverbindungen" to "Common tropes associated with Studentenverbindungen in fiction", rewrote one example to explicitly discuss media depictions, and removed the other tropes.
The next day, jeez added back the tropes I deleted
and sent me a notifier about misuse. Jeez mostly left the header and example I rewrote alone.
The main question I have is, was I in the wrong? Did I misinterpret something or apply a rule incorrectly? Or was this the right call?
Edited by Dieselresolved YMMY page for The Cape (2012)
I've a question about the page for the comic book miniseries The Cape
. My question comes from the fact that long time ago, Eric Chase from the series was approved as a CM by the troper Ravok and since the page was created long after his approval, it is not on the YMMY page (in fact, there is no YMMY page abouyt the comic). Here's the entry:
Eric Chase is a lazy and selfish sociopath who discovers that his childhood cape grants him the ability of flight, and chooses to use this power to stroke his own ego. First brutally murdering his girlfriend after he becomes paranoid she is cheating on him, Eric, as detailed in the interquel Fallen, is struck by a crisis of conscience that he ultimately ignores, embracing his inner vileness as he massacres an entire group of LAR Pers he was hanging out with. Later using his own mother as a hostage in an attempt to burn his hated brother alive, Eric murders several police officers investigating him — a pair of them by dropping a live bear on top of their car — before downing an entire airplane his mother is on, killing her and hundreds of people at once. Though once a sweet child desperate for his father's approval, Eric knowingly and willingly becomes a monster in adulthood, refusing to take guilt or responsibility for his life and instead blaming everyone around him for his faults, and deciding that the punishment for them all should be death.
My question is if I can add the entry and the YMMY page myself, if I should mention it here, or if a thread for the matter exists.
openPossibly shoehorned fan works? Film
YMMV.K Pop Demon Hunters has a lot of links to fan works even though that should be on a separate page. Examples:
- Fandom-Specific Plot:
- A fair amount of fan art pieces (like this one
) revolves around Rumi being hesitant that Mira and Zoey would not accept them for their demon heritage...Only to have the other two fawn over her in desire and eager to see more of her. <—-I don't see any reason to link to that specific fanart except for self promotion
- A fair amount of fan art pieces (like this one
- Fanon:
- As a result of the fandom believing Jinu is not dead and gone, a popular fan canon claims that his soul now exists in Rumi's new sword. There's already a fanwork
which depicts said sword as a Talking Weapon who comforts Rumi when summoned. <—-Again, I don't see the point/relevance of linking that specific fanwork except for self promotion
- As a result of the fandom believing Jinu is not dead and gone, a popular fan canon claims that his soul now exists in Rumi's new sword. There's already a fanwork
- Friendly Fandoms:
- Many were quick to point out the similarities between Huntrix and K/DA, regarding the former as something of a Spiritual Successor considering the latter is still on hiatus. Naturally there is shipping.
<—-Crossover Ship already covers the shipping aspect, no need to add a random fanart piece
- With Transformers One for similar reasons (Transformers One released on Netflix four days beforehand) due to the surprisingly similar fun yet dark vibes, action and angst. There's even fan-made edits!
<—-Why is linking the fan edit necessary?
- With Devil May Cry, due to their similarities causing this film to be perceived as a spiritual adaptation of that franchise. Rumi is being compared to Dante because just like him, she is also a sword-wielding half-demon who hunts other demons while looking good in style, and being good at dancing. Some fanworks depict them getting along as fellow hunters if they meet
.<—-Again, it is highly unnecessary to add a fan art link when it is already explained why there is a shared fandom
- Many were quick to point out the similarities between Huntrix and K/DA, regarding the former as something of a Spiritual Successor considering the latter is still on hiatus. Naturally there is shipping.
resolved Permission to revert edit without conducting Edit War. Webcomic
On May 31st
, TF Razorsaw moved the character folder for "Zenith" from Digimon Liberator from the "Debugging Team" section to the "Other" section, with the edit reason "Zenith is not part of the debugging team, he was a Guest-Star Party Member."
I shortly after contacted them via PM and pointed out that, as stated on the official website, Zenith is part of the Debugging Team.
openQuestion about image picking
Sorry if this is a dumb question. I'm building a nightmare fuel page from scratch. Can I choose and put an image on my own? Or I necessarily need the approval of the forum? Also, if there's a page with no nightmare fuel page and nowhere it says the page shouldn't have one, can I put one myself? Thank you for reading.
Edited by FarlopiumopenAn error with image links
So I just discovered this weird problem while I was editing Ensemble Stars Eden the other day.
I wanted to provide a link to an image that shows a younger version of a specific character. When I open the link on my computer, it doesn't show the image, but when I open the link on Safari via iOS or the TV Tropes app, the link does show the image!
I have no idea what's going on here. Is it a bug connected to the website itself or an error with my computer?
- Hairstyle Inertia: Downplayed. Unlike most of the game's cast which retain the hairstyles they had in their youth, Nagisa sported a long side ponytail
when he was younger. In the present he wears a back ponytail around the same length (though sometimes his unitmate Ibara braids his hair when stressed).
openEdit war on TADC
On Characters.The Amazing Digital Circus Players, xVanitas is edit warring:
- RebelFalcon
removed a Secretly Selfish entry, stating that a human wanting affection and attention is a basic need.
- Vanitas
restored the entry (albeit rewritten).
- MagmaTeaMerry
removed per the TADC cleanup
- Restored again by Vanitas
I haven't watched the episode but the consensus is that all the edits reek of Ron the Death Eater-esque agenda editing.
openBastard!! - page name question Anime
I noticed that the page for Bastard 1988 specifies the year in the work name, but the page itself also covers the 2022 adaptation, and the page image is from the 2022 adaptation as well.
I would suggest the 1988 be dropped from the page name — I think just "Bastard!!" is more appropriate, if the page is going to cover multiple iterations of the work — but I am not familiar with it at all (was browsing randomly), so I don't think I should make that decision.
I don't know if that would mean the WikiWord should change as well, which is a larger project.
Again, since I'm not familiar with the work, if people don't think it's an issue, no worries. If there are any changes that don't require having read or seen it, I'm happy to make them.
Edited by DiggerM

I bring up a recent edit on the Character page for corru.observer by GooseWithAPhone which has resulted in unilateral changes to folder names and addition of speculative tropes that I'd like to revert. Specifically:
- The troper added Ambiguously Gay for a character whose actions have yet too little context or weight behind them for a work that is still being released in chapters as we speak, renamed He Knows Too Much to "She Knows Too Much" which is frowned upon, and tried to mask speculation by claiming the trope is "heavily implied" without sufficient proof.
- Renamed folders with the full names of some characters, when the game itself refers to them by their shortened names and they're rarely referred upon by their full names.
- Added a few tropes about a character that reek of speculation hidden behind "implications" that I do not believe are necessarily there yet.
Part of the edit is fine, probably needs some rewording to respect rules and be clearer, but I deem those parts problematic. The troper also only edits in small bursts months apart, which makes it difficult to get into contact with them. Edited by GearFriedTheKnight