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open About a work I made Webcomic
I would like to make a page for work I made on here. If I haven't violated any of the rules on the page (i.e. the work is tropable, i will not add subjectives/audience reactions/trivia/recommendations on the work, and I won't Entry Pimp myself), is it still considered Auto-Erotic Troping, therefore not allowing me to?
Edited by nonalienpersonyepopenRemoval with hostile edit reason
On YMMV.Battlefield 1, Mr Combine removed
an instance of Franchise Original Sin with an edit reason calling it a "racist anf [sic] sexist dogwhistle". In fairness, I think the entry could have used some more explanation (since as written, it could easily be taken to imply that female and POC representation was an issue in itself), but I think their edit reason was a bit too hostile.
resolved digeraddd
Spinning off from this ATT thread
, digeraddd
has several glaring editing problems dating back to when they first started editing in 2018 and continuing to this day. The linked thread mentions that the page they created is full of Shameless Self-Promotion, unlinked tropes, non-tropes, and trope misuse (and that they have added their self-promotion to other pages (at least one of which has been cut), but it doesn't end there. There's also:
- Several cases of natter/justifying edits (such as on this page
.
- Changing somebody's pronouns from they to he (after it was stated that they go by they/them pronouns)
.
- Their Shameless Self-Promotion reaching pages that don't even have anything to do with Youtube, podcasts, or gaming
.
- Their habit of adding non-tropes and/or with no link (and potential trope misuse) is not limited to the page they created that's mentioned in the ATT thread.
- Some edits that are just
...what (even ones that are made and then immediately undone still exist in the page history)?
openWork page with no examples
There's a page added in 2021 called The Computer Chronicles. Thing is, there's no examples on the page itself, which seems counter to building work pages (i.e. you must have at least 3 examples). Is this sort of thing allowed, and is there anything I should do?
openMCU - Confirmed to be Earth-616 repercussions Film
Hoping that this doesn't constitute that big of a spoiler. But in Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness is officially revealed that - at least inside the MCU multiverse - the main MCU is designated as Earth-616. This only confirms the previous reveal by producer Nate Moore
that the MCU is Earth-616.
I know that maybe this contradicts the official designation by the Marvel databooks, but my stance on it is that: different multiverse, different rules, different designations. So, following from this, would it be ok for me to start to replace "the Sacred Timeline" mentions in entries with "Earth-616"??? I will confess that I have always felt a bit annoyed by how cult-ish the term sounds, and considering how comicbook-616 and MCU-616 have never interacted, it wouldn't lend itself to any problems. Besides, "the sacred timeline" is a mouthful when compared to "-616".
Also, strengthening the argument for the Earth-616 denomination - this is the third time so far it has officially been called that, two of them inside movies. While "sacred timeline" was only used in Loki.
Edited by Edgar81539openOn the Mario Party article
Greetings, fellow tropers. There's a question I'd like to ask.
The next thing I'd like to do in the wiki is to crosswick trope examples into the Mario Party article. However, when I checked the Related tab, I noticed that many of the redirects (namely those of the individual Mario Party games) have wicks, meaning that they pertain examples that are specific to individual installments in the series. For example, Mario Party 2 has 27 wicks, while Mario Party 3 has 29. Between this and the possibility that many of the 1197 direct wicks to the parent series page may be referring to only certain installments rather than the series as a whole, I was wondering if it would be okay to create work pages for the individual Mario Party pages, which would give home to the redirects' wicks and also limit the example section of the parent page to tropes that apply to most or all games.
Having myself played the second, fifth, seventh, ninth, and Super installments (and currently having Superstars on my wishlist), I could further contribute to the troping of their contents whenever possible: even though nearly all MP games have the same gameplay formula, they still have unique elements in the boards, minigames and (however minor) story premises.
For reference, all the Mario Kart articles have their own individual pages, same with all the New Super Mario Bros. pages.
If the answer to the question is no, I'll respect the decision and then proceed to simply crosswick examples into the parent page, in the hopes that it won't exceed the size limit. Thank you in advance.
openWhen troping a Summary/Gloss derivative, do we include tropes from the Original work?
Ran across Overly Sarcastic Productions, and in particular, this entry:
- Fainting:
- Dante does this a lot in The Divine Comedy. Red lampshades it, noting that for a protagonist — and a self-insert one, at that — Dante is kind of a wimp.
- Robert Olmstead passes out from seeing dozens of fish people in The Shadow Over Innsmouth.
The thing is... both these examples are equally true in the original work being discussed.
These aren't really adaptations, more illustrated Cliff Notes/Overviews. I don't doubt that OSP itself is tropeable, but I'm not sure if this should be treated more like a reviewer's commentary - only trope the stuff that the reviewer added.
openWall of Text entry Western Animation
The YMMV page for "The Ending of the End, Part 2" has this very long entry under Draco in Leather Pants:
- All three of the villains received this status in spades for their punishment at the end of the episode.
- Chrysalis, Tirek, and Cozy Glow being turned to stone as punishments caused backlash by defenders, saying that they didn't deserve such a punishment due to being forced by Discord as Grogar to commit said actions, and they weren't being given a chance by the heroes to turn over a new leaf throughout the episode and the previous one. What is largely ignored is the fact that what the villains did to Equestria was what they've always wanted to do ever since they appeared in the show, they were mainly forced by Discord to work together as a team instead of individuals to make their plans succeed, and they have stated and shown more than once that they are not interested in friendship or reforming themselves like when Chrysalis turned down Starlight's offer of reformation at the end of To Where and Back Again. And on the subject of the villains' punishments, they not only tried to murder the Mane Six and the other heroes, but also destroy everything that made Equestria what it was which included dividing the three pony tribes against one and other, which as a result almost made everything that the Mane Six accomplished in the entire series be All for Nothing. And considering that they almost came close with succeeding at destroying Equestria and the heroes and even presumably even creating a forever bad memory that the population of Equestria won't be forgetting for a long time, imprisoning the villains in stone would be for the best to prevent a tragedy like that from happening again.
- Cozy Glow was hit with this the hardest out of the three villains. Defenders felt she did not deserve the same fate as Tirek and Chrysalis, due to simply being a child and saying she could have been given a lesser sentence to serve her time, and demonizing Celestia, Luna, and Discord for doing it to her. This is despite the fact that Cozy was well aware of what she was doing the entire time, and her actions were still as bad as Tirek and Chrysalis since her actions to drain the magic in Equestria and claim it as her own was kind of the same plan as Tirek's. She has even proudly called herself a villain and shows no remorse for any of her actions, and in fact actively enjoys it.
The first entry is overly long and keeps re-hashing the same points, and I'm not sure if it even fits, since it's mostly just saying that fans thought the punishment was harsh. The second entry is redundant with the first, only focusing more on Cozy Glow specifically. I've brought this up on the Wall of Text cleanup thread twice but been ignored both times.
Edited by Javertshark13openWhat is NightmareFuel/PokemonAdultHorrors?
So I genuinely can't figure out what NightmareFuel.Pokemon Adult Horrors... is? "Adult Horrors" is not a self-explanatory term, nor is it a TVT term. The "description" just seems to indicate that it's "Nightmare Fuel... but canon!" which doesn't seem to be anything separate.
openShould we be encouraging Video Overdosing?
I often browse the new video examples page, and often the recurring works I see just seem like Entry Pimping uploaders' favorite works rather than actually trying to illustrate a trope. And when I found out about JustForFun.Video Overdosed, I thought to myself, "...that explains an awful lot."
I won't pretend I'm innocent of this myself, after all we generally can only give examples of what we know and are interested in, right? But sometimes it just feels like people are trying to race to see whose fandom can get the most videos uploaded.
openI think accidently edit warred?
So on Characters.Ben 10 Main Characters I fixed
the link to Ben 10: Ben Tennyson in the index at the top after Ahmed Bluth accidently removed from the index
. Now the thing I didn't remember until I looked at the history is that as the one who made the Ben page I was the one who added it to the index months ago
. So I think I accidently edit warred and if so I would like to appologise and report myself for punishment.
openTroper with various issues
Indi Goskies has some issues among their otherwise correctly done entries.
-They utilized a Useful Notes entry as a trope on a character page
for Housepets!:
- Furry Fandom: He's an anthropomorphic dog who likes to dress up as an anthropomorphic cat, making him a very on-the-nose nod to the fandom.
I'm assuming this should be removed? If so, will cut the entry and send a notifier.
-They misspelled "herd" as "heard" twice on The Jungle Book 2 here
, crosswicking one example. These have been fixed. I sent grammar notifiers for these.
-I've already removed a trope entry they made for Bleached Underpants at that trope's page and Housepets! per this Trope Talk thread
. It didn't illustrate the trope, inverted or otherwise, had loads of natter, and minimally referenced the work itself.
openFanservice Tropes/Halo (2022) Live Action TV
I'm sorry if this should maybe go in another place, but I wasn't sure so I figured I'd start here. I've bene going over the Series / Halo 2022 character pages (which are a bit of a mess, but I'm trying to focus on one issue), and I figured I'd start with something small that's been bugging me.
Namely, the Mr/Ms. Fanservice tropes are used no less than 4 times on the character page, with what I would call very thin justification.
First, there's John the Master Chief
- Mr. Fanservice: Scarring aside, Chief is a very ripped man underneath all that armor. The third episode has him buck naked, with several full views of his rear, in the SPARTAN barracks, even if the scene in question has him taking a suppression implant out of his back using a knife.
As pointed out, the scene where John is nude is so he can perform surgery on himself, it's not scored or lit or shot in "look at how sexy John is" sort of way. He is muscular, but then so are plenty of the characters on the show.
Next, Kai another SPARTAN
- Ms. Fanservice: Like with her CO, Kai is shown naked in the SPARTAN barracks for a brief moment to show off her well-toned physique—and that she took out her hormonal pellet.
Same thing, the purpose of the nudity is not to titillate, arouse, or otherwise turn on the audience.
Third, there's Vinsher Grath, played by Burn Gorman
- Mr. Fanservice: He gets a scene in a bathhouse in Episode 4 showcasing his toned physique.
This is another one that I don't think qualifies, because as the scene did actually seem to be using the nudity for a purpose, but not fanservice. It was more so A: Vinsher could give secret orders to an assassin and B: to show how decadent he is now that he rules the planet-he's smoking a cigar in the bath as well, to showcase that he's living the high life.
Last but not least
- Ms. Fanservice: Makee gets to undress in the second episode, showing off her very attractive figure in the process (aside from some scarring).
There is, to be fair about a two-second shot of Makee's backside from a wide angle, but once again the nudity is being used to tell a story-namely, Makee is changing out of the clothes she wears when working for the Covenant (which she has presumably worn for decades) and into more human clothes. The scene also cuts to John explaining how he felt emotions for the first time in basically forever, to highlight that John and Makee are similar (both are becoming more human, so to speak, which gets brought up in later episodes), and in this case Makee spends a lot of time staring at her body, as if re-examining her limbs to understand that she is a human (as someone basically raised by aliens, she doesn't think of herself much as a human), so the nudity is, again, being used to tell a story.
So, I think the problem I have is these examples are operating under the idea that "nudity, for any reason at all=fanservice". Am I making too much of this, or should these examples maybe be removed? Obviously, anybody can be turned on by anything, and all of these characters are played by actors who are conventionally attractive, but given how attractive everybody is in tv/film, I figured there were some thresholds for Mr./Ms. Fanservice to avoid overuse and gushing.
For what it's worth, every single example was added by one troper, chris4449.
Edited by ArthurEldopenTropes involving a group of characters Western Animation
Encanto is a large cast movie, with 13 named members of Madrigal family itself plus a large handful of named villagers. One thing I've noticed in participating in the editing surrounding Encanto trope pages is the desire to take various 3, 4, or 5 person tropes and start filling out the ranks of those tropes with the members of the large cast.
What this seems to be doing is finding characters in the cast whose personality traits match up with the requirements of the trope even though the 3, 4, or 5 characters don't actually have any scenes where they function as a group, or team or ensemble.
For example, on the character page, Julieta and her 3 daughters (Luisa, Isabela and Mirabel) are listed as a Four-Girl Ensemble. It's a case where they are all members of the same family and each character does fulfill the basic personality requirements of the trope.
However, in terms of the story being told, they are never actually shown interacting as an ensemble. Mirabel has individual scenes with the other female members of her family but, aside from breakfast/dinner scenes, the four are never shown together "just hanging".
So my question is whether this trope is truly in play in this story?
Even the Four-Girl Ensemble example acknowledges that while they fit the personality types, they don't actually function as an ensemble in the story.
There are other tropes listed on the Encanto pages with a similar weakness. Matching personality traits? Yes. But, actually being a group, team, band or ensemble? Not so much.
To me it seems that both halves of the equation need to be "Yes" for the trope to be in play but I'd like some feedback on this.
resolved Possible ROCEJ pattern
nm3youtube has made a few edits lately that may be worth looking into for their potential ROCEJ-ness.
- On this page
, they turned this paragraph:
- While Belos was already feared as an authoritarian dictator his motives of being an anti-witch zealot and his abuse of Hunter make him far more terrifying, due to the abuse the real people face under religious households, and the atrocities committed in their name.
- into this (a lot more religiously/politically charged):
- While Belos was already feared as an authoritarian dictator his motives of being an anti-witch zealot and his abuse of Hunter make him far more terrifying, due to the abuse real people—especially LGBT people, who are readily accepted in the Boiling Isles, and people with interests their family considers "Satanic"—which is potentially everything even alluding to the concept of magic—face under fundamentalist religious households, and the atrocities both historical and modern religious zealots have committed in their God's name.
- Here
, as part of a Values Dissonance page, they changed a simple "...especially in The New '10s" to "...especially in The New '10s when J. K. Rowling's increasingly outspoken transphobia caused people to start paying attention to the series' politics".
- Then there's this (rather irrelevant) note they added to an entry on a SBIH page
:
- which became Hilarious in Hindsight when Russian dictator Vladimir Putin compared the shunning of Russia after the 2022 invasion of Ukraine to the controversy surrounding J. K. Rowling's outspoken transphobia, forcing Rowling to explicitly distance herself from him
openRule of thumb
In my time editing on this site, I’ve noticed that some character trope entries are written differently than their entry on the trope itself. I expected them to be a simple copy and paste but they're not. Are we supposed to write like this or can we just copy paste?
openSilly Reason for Edit War
Last year, I got into a bit of an edit war with Vulkus over Man of Kryptonite, specifically the grammar of the page quote. On December 9th, 2021
, I changed the page quote from:
To:
A little under one hour later
, Vulkus edited the page to remove the spaces after each ellipsis that I added. Unwisely, I readded them
(not thinking about how this would be an edit war on my part), and Vulkus removed them again
. (Neither of us provided any edit reasons.)
After that, I decided to drop the matter, since the matter apparently wasn't brought up to the mods' attention and because I didn't want to be suspended. However, six days ago
, I decided to re-add the spaces after the ellipses. I know that I was probably Digging Myself Deeper, but I think I was hoping that Vulkus wouldn't react and that the matter would stop there — sure enough, though, Vulkus deleted the spaces again
. (Again, no edit reasons from either of us.) At that point, I became motivated enough to PM Vulkus, hoping that we could discuss the matter — however, six days later, Vulkus has yet to respond.
I know that my behavior was unacceptable and probably grounds for a suspension, and that the matter is trivial to the point of being absurd. Nonetheless, I think it's important to bring this edit war to light, particularly because I am fairly certain that ellipses should be followed by spaces in proper English grammar.
Edited by ClancyGardeneropenNot very intense for MEH:
Reviewing YMMV.Love Victor and saw these:
- Moral Event Horizon: Father Lawrence scaring Adrian into thinking that Victor was going to hell for having a boyfriend, despite him accepting Victor happily that morning. This doesn’t sit well with Isabel.
- Isabel herself crosses this when she deliberately sabotages the meal she cooked for Victor’s friends after seeing him and Benji kiss.
- Even the biggest Benji supporters agree that he crossed a line when he outed Victor to Adrien while fighting with Isabel.
- While it’s understandable given how no one wanted Mia to move, Lake almost crosses this when she tried to hack Harold’s Twitter account to say something that’ll get him “lightly cancelled” in an effort to stop his Stanford job from following through. Thankfully Andrew stops her before it’s too late.
- Harold going back on his promise to Mia and accepting the Stanford position that will uproot his family yet again.
Now, none of these really fit the Moral Event Horizon, and I was about to delete but I know this trope has caused problems in the past so I thought I might post here for a review before I make changes.
And this might need to go to Trope Finder, but do we have a trope for when someone crosses the line that's not as character-defining as MEH is?
Edited by MegaJ

If, for instance, I were to upload a video example from a You Tube Poop that I made myself some years back, would that be banned? Would I link my Tropers page as one of the Sources like I'd link to WebAnimation.Da Things or Creator.cs188 for theirs (since I don't have enough tropable works to my name to justify a Creator subpage — I know There's No Such Thing as Notability, but I have to draw the line somewhere)?
Edited by LendriMujina