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openCut from Trivia?
- While it is no longer a "trope" as such, Elpeo Ple is historically notable for another major reason outside of ZZ's general notability: she was one of the really powerful magnets for "lolicon" fans in the 1980s, and because of the nature of much of her plotline and the nature of a lot of her promotional art
and whatnot, she is often suspected of being one of the first characters in Gundam (and in mainstream Japanese animation as a whole) to be deliberately targeted at this section of the audience. As a result, Ple can be a powerfully divisive figure in some fandom circles; while the show itself never does anything that skeevy with her, the mere fact that she can come across as "loli-bait" has been a contributor to criticisms of ZZ for decades, with a number of fans feeling a character like her has no place in Gundam at all. Others feel she has her place in the overall structure of the show (especially given how she meets her end and the stark contrast between her and her "sister"), and posit that no matter how the character was presented, even in 1986 the lolicons would have obsessed over her no matter what. Even in the 21st century, the arguments can remain heated.
Last I asked, non-"trope" entires shouldn't be added, especially if it's something contentious. Any reason not to cut?
openTurnsRed misuse
self-reporting here since i realized it might unintentionally be an edit war and i want to double check that i have the right idea here... basically on Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Shredder's Revenge there seems to be a persistent misunderstanding of what Turns Red is for
added by me
- Turns Red: When a boss reaches half health, they start flashing red and switching up their attack patterns. The standard boss theme kicks into high gear when this happens.
modified by Alex Tropes Fisher
- Turns Red: In the best traditions of Konami TMNT beat-em-ups.
- When the bosses reach half of their health, they start flashing red and switching up their attack patterns. The standard boss theme kicks into high gear when this happens.
- The same also applies to the playable characters when they get low on health.
inaccurate use of the trope, so i changed it back but kept the added first part and added a Shows Damage entry
- Shows Damage: Both the playable characters and the bosses begin flashing red when low on health. The flashing becomes more intense the lower their health gets.
- Turns Red: In the best traditions of Konami TMNT beat-'em-ups. When the bosses reach half of their health, they start flashing red and switching up their attack patterns. The standard boss theme kicks into high gear when this happens.
added by CASC Hero
- Turns Red: In the best traditions of Konami TMNT beat-'em-ups. When the bosses reach half of their health, they start flashing red and switching up their attack patterns. The standard boss theme kicks into high gear when this happens. The player characters will also start doing this as a warning they're low on health.
changed back by me, since it was a separate user i thought it wouldn't be an edit war but gave an edit reason to explain
- Turns Red: In the best traditions of Konami TMNT beat-'em-ups. When the bosses reach half of their health, they start flashing red and switching up their attack patterns. The standard boss theme kicks into high gear when this happens.
after that, modified by Superjustinbros
- Turns Red: In the best traditions of Konami TMNT beat-'em-ups. When the bosses reach half of their health, they start flashing red and switching up their attack patterns. The standard boss theme kicks into high gear when this happens.
added by Onodera Tearer
- Turns Red: In the best traditions of Konami TMNT beat-'em-ups. When the bosses reach half of their health, they start flashing red and switching up their attack patterns. The standard boss theme kicks into high gear when this happens. Players also start flashing red at low health.
changed back by me, this time removing some of the fluff to hopefully make it more clear what the example is. again, since it's a separate user, my thought was that it isn't an edit war
- Turns Red: The bosses switch up their attack patterns when they reach half their health. The standard boss theme kicks into high gear when this happens.
essentially, it seems that there's a shared misunderstanding between multiple people that Turns Red includes literally flashing red at low health, when the description of it specifically says that's not what it covers. the presence of Shows Damage didn't seem to help. also, i'm not sure if i'm edit warring and realized too late that it might look like that, so i'm sorry if i should have asked earlier. basically, do i have the right idea here?
Edited by NoUsernameopenSci-fi Tropers Have No Sense of Subpages :P
Sci-Fi Writers Have No Sense of Scale is currently divided into subpages for Distance, Energy, Mass, etc. A while ago I started seeing the subpages used as trope example entries in their own right, and I've done it a couple of times myself, e.g. linking to SciFiWritersHave.No Sense Of Distance from Star Trek: Strange New Worlds S1E01 "Strange New Worlds". But I'm wondering now if that's kosher or if I should have been linking to the top page.
Edited by StarSwordopen Misuse in Trivia/AgentAli + Edit War?
Before Ejen Ali was localised to Agent Ali, End Bringer 99 added this example
.
- Saved by the Fans: Years of campaigned led the show being greenlit for a third season, exclusive on Hotstar.
I removed it as misuse
with this edit reason:
Nothing more ever came of this example until about 3 months after I localised the work's pages
, just about 10 days ago, in which EndBringer99 brought back the entry, albeit slightly reworded.
- Saved by the Fans: The fanbase demand saved the show from a three year cancellation.
I sent a message from the edit in question itself to say that I'd give 3 days to await a response/explanation/existence of evidence of cancellation until I'd inquire on ATT. note Is the message formatting by that method different from normal messages? Because I typed it as if the markup would work but it didn't - it looks like a mess of a paragraph. That was on 16th June and now it's an hour past midnight into the 20th in my time, and there've been a couple edits in that user's edit history since after I sent it.
I'm tempted to remove it again but I don't know if that'd account as an edit war, or if EndBringer99 is already in one, because it's technically the same page but under a different (the localised) title.
As I already stated, Saved by the Fans is for characters brought back by popular demand, and its description says that if this happens to a work, that's Un-Cancelled. However, I've found no evidence of Agent Ali ever at risk of being cancelled - there just happens to be a 3 year gap between The Movie (2019) and the upcoming 3rd season (2022).
I still await a response to see if there is any source saying the show was at risk of being cancelled because I've heard no such thing. How should I proceed? Thank you.
Edited by BlackFaithStaropenCharacter Perception Evolution misuse and example?
Character Perception Evolution states Rescued from the Scrappy Heap examples don't count as RFTSH is when the work changes them for the better while CPE is viewed differently by fans despite being unchanged. I question this CPE then.
- Ahsoka Tano debuted in Star Wars: The Clone Wars Pilot Movie and swiftly became one of the most disliked characters this side of Jar Jar Binks, being utterly despised for her obnoxious personality, her Bratty Half-Pint tendencies, and her obnoxiously cute half-naked "Cat Girl" design. A metric truckload of growth and Character Development later, and she is now fondly liked by the vast majority of both fans and critics alike who love her for her complexity and for being a foil to Anakin Skywalker. So much so that her live-action appearance in The Mandalorian was celebrated almost as much as Luke's.
I believe this might be misuse as instead Rescued from the Scrappy Heap as it's changes to her in the same series (the Pilot Movie is treated as part of it as opposed to a standalone/separate work) as opposed to how she's seen prior (my impression is her pre-Rescued character is now seen as worth the later payoff as opposed to good in and of itself). On that there's this from YMMV.Mass Effect 1.
- Rescued from the Scrappy Heap: When the game was first released, Kaidan was widely written off as a Tier Induced Scrappy due to having less biotic talents than Liara and less tech talents than Tali. As the game aged, the playerbase realized that his array of support powers was more potent than it first seemed, and he is now considered a top-tier character due to the overall power of biotics.
I believe this is Character Perception Evolution instead as it's not the work changing them. But a big part of this was Kaiden being Rescued from the Scrappy Heap in the third game contributing to the reevaluation. I assume this is a separate enough work to fit CPE as opposed to RFTSC but an asking to be sure.
openPermission to Remove Sinkhole?
So, someone added
a Sinkhole to Characters.Heroes Of The Storm Overwatch Universe. While I sent them a notifier, they still didn't see it as a Sinkhole. So, can I remove it?
I would remove it myself. However, I don't want to risk a potential Edit War since I once removed
a Sinkhole at that area.
openCan I add a folder here?
H. P. Lovecraft features a really long list of basically everything he ever wrote in the description section (description itself is also pretty long, but that's its own thing to look at). I was going to change the header to a folder, but I noticed there was an index tag there when I went in to edit the page. Is it okay to still add the folder in, or will that break something?
openWhat exactly is a "Unilateral Move"
I’ve been having issues with other tropers recently while participating in cleanup threads. I feel that as long as am following the riles and formatting as payed out by the project that I shouldn’t have to ask for permission before I do something. I do follow indexing rules so that everything is logged for everyone to see, and I leave edit notes regarding what I’m doing and link to the specific threads.
I have been having issues with this for a while, including two suspensions. So I want to know what everyone thinks. And so that I do not bias anyone towards my line of thinking, see here
for discourse between myself and other people.
open Sci fi tv, maybe mini series, every episode for itself - very truth one.
Hi children, where can I ask for a sci tv show to find? which I can't find anywhere by even what name it was, rechecked tons of stuff.
either mini tv or 1 season tv sci fi series for aliens, every episode is for itself and there is no planet earth or humans there. I think maybe it was 6 or 8 episode or 9/10... i think just one season.
The set up was similar set up maybe of sg-1, Atlantis meaning its from somewhere between 1995-2005 most likely.. 2 of the episodes I think was part 1 and 2 for spaceships traveling, it was vivid stuff of acting, not like silence and nothing to happen.
I remember only 1 of the episode more completely: The story goes like this..
Team of scientist found the cure for all diseases for that world, they gave it (how to make it) in public speech on tv to all of the planet people which was similar of humans, something between humans with little piggy noses and ears. But the whole planet (other top scientist) told them they are crazy and the whole planet, yes every single sick soul, chased them to kill them, as basically the scientist told them they all need to die, by taking the cure. The family run away hide in their rich home, barricade and use the cure, some alchemy, biology chemical cure, one of the main character the brother got killed by the ground closely to the stage, when they had public speech, before entering the car in which the family used to run away.
Every episode is for different alien word and aliens, which many of them are humanoids, but not human.
Thanks in advance for the one who can find at least the name of the show.
openAbout an Edit Reversion Videogame
I was recently sent a warning about example indentation regarding an entry
in VindicatedByHistory.Video Games. Now, I don't disagree with the warning — I actually did make a mistake regarding what I was supposed to do indenting-wise — but since the entry was deleted wholesale, I'm not sure whether re-editing it while fixing the issues would qualify as edit warring.
The edit reason also mentions that a pothole to Condemned by History was misused, which I don't particularly agree with. At the time of its release, if I'm not mistaken, Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS and Wii U did have a sizable fanbase (including Tournament Play, albeit never as big of a scene as Melee had), and Brawl (which the entry was about) was forgotten by casual players for a while until the release of Super Smash Bros. Ultimate made for 3DS and Wii U's faults stand out in retrospect, rather than being "reviled from day one" like the edit reason says. Am I misremembering?
PS: I'm sorry for being a serial tweaker. I keep second-guessing myself.
Edited by LendriMujinaopenPossible copy-paste from a book
Angry Guard Dog's Real Life section has an entry that might be copied and barely reworded from a book. Has anyone read it so they can confirm if this is the case?
- From the book The Truth About Self-Defense written by law enforcement training instructor Massad F. Ayoob:
- WATCHDOGS ...A mobile, four-footed burglar alarm. [They] bark insistently and steadily when an entry is attempted, and ... [go] to the entry point to pinpoint it for you.
The other entries don't have [...] and some have links to tropes so they might have been reworded more comprehensively.
Edited by Chabal2openFive Nights at Freddy's and Inconsistencies Videogame
The pages for the first six games are not consistent with eachother in terms of in-game information. Most have entries that've either been disproven within themselves- both from late-game or hidden information- or the other games. They are also riddled with fandom-based assuptions that have no basis within the given information, often conflicting with what was actually given in-game. I would like to start an effort to clean these pages up, but do I have to pitch a short-term project to do so- and how would I go about that, if yes- because of the scale, or, can I work on it myself in my spare time? I am asking primarily because I am not active frequently.
EDIT: Clean up effort is now live, here: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16550680110A22093300&page=1#1
openEdit Tug-of-War
(Sorry.)
Over on AwesomeMusic.Kirby (courtesy link to page's edit history
), there's been a bit of back-and-forth between nintendofanboy77
and KagSwirby
over the title of one of the Kirby franchise's recurring tracks. It seems that in the Japanese version, the track in question is titled "Clash! Gourmet Race" (as is the game mode it accompanies), but in the English translation, it's simply "Gourmet Race".
If I'm reading the page's edit history correctly, it was originally added as "Gourmet Race" many years ago (given that it's one of the series' signature tracks). KagSwirby changed it from "Gourmet Race" to "Clash! Gourmet Race" in February 2022, and nintendofanboy77 changed it back again a few days later, explaining in the edit reason that "Gourmet Race" is the English title. However, in June 2022, KagSwirby re-added "Clash!" (to multiple examples instead of just to the "main" listing on the page), and nintendofanboy77 re-deleted it; I wouldn't have thought anything of this had it not been for the latter's edit reason ('How many times do I have to re-state this: the English name is JUST "Gourmet Race."').
I have no horse in this ((clash!) gourmet) race (...I'll see myself out), but even if the wiki policy is to use official English translations where they exist, this seems to be crossing into Edit War territory.
open EditWar on Recap.TheSimpsonsS7E5LisaTheVegetarian
BrianKT
has made some deletions on The Simpsons S7 E5 "Lisa the Vegetarian" that I find very questionable. The examples are Broken Aesop, Hypocrite and (on the YMMV page) Don't Shoot the Message, all of which refer to Apu talking to Lisa about how to respect other people's beliefs (the episode revolved around Lisa becoming a vegetarian, and Apu revealing he secretly serves customers tofu dogs instead of hot dogs).
BrianKT deleted all examples referring to it on the basis that "he's not forcing them on other people, and what they don't know won't hurt them".
I disagree with this assessment and restored the examples on the basis that Apu is a Hypocrite since he isn't practicing what he preaches: he tells Lisa to respect other people's beliefs and not actively force them to stop eating meat, yet he himself doesn't respect other people's beliefs since he's secretly selling them tofu dogs instead of hot dogs; if he respected other people's rights to eat meat, he would sell them the meat they paid for instead of what amounts to lying to their faces. Just because he's not vocal and in-your-face about it like Lisa is does not mean he isn't still forcing his beliefs. The "what they don't know won't hurt them" reasoning is also disagreeable since a deleted entry on BrokenAesop.The Simpsons points out that a customer could be allergic to soy, which definitely would hurt them if they ate a tofu dog while thinking it was a hot dog.
BrianKT then deleted the examples again (I didn't add the original examples, merely restored them, so he's reverse-Edit Warring: delete-add-delete [but if I'm edit-warring too, my bad]) and linked to the Removing complaining thread
as the edit reason; I went there to check, and it turns out he didn't actually get approval from the thread before deleting the examples.
Should the examples stay up, or was he justified in deleting them? I'm not sure of how to resolve this, so I'm asking here.
Edited by N8han11openNeed help to avoid Edit War (bad example)
On 6th Jun 22
, Aetos added this entry to Characters.Classical Mythology Olympians:
- Benevolent Boss: When Erysichthon caused the death of one of her dryad nymphs, she fucked his shit up hard.
It's so bad case of melodramatic ZCE that I had lapse of judgement, removed it on the ground that has intense sex with the guy who killed her followers has nothing to does with being a Benevolent Boss.
They restored it with explanation that "Fuck shit up" has nothing to does with fucking. Fine, so I properly commented it out for being ZCE and pointed out in edit reason that even Mean Boss can lash on someone for take away their propeties.
Today
, Tropers/lalalei2001 uncommented it and changed the entry to this:
- Benevolent Boss: When Erysichthon caused the death of one of her dryad nymphs, Demeter took revenge by cursing him with insatiable hunger until he ate himself to death.
It's better, actually telling what happen in the story. BUT it still doesn't explain why she's an example of Benevolent Boss, just that she's vengeful when someone kill her follower. One can be abusive toward their own underlings yet angry yet someone else done it.
resolved Fan-made novelisation shares the name with source material
If there's a fan-made novelisation for video game (which shares the name with source material), how to name the page for it to prevent if from showing up as subpage for the game itself?
Or just add either "fanfic" or author's nick in the link, and then use WikiWord?
openmaking a Tropers page for myself but I have a special character in my username
I want to make a Tropers page for myself but I have a special character in my username. since I can't make a Tropers/Professional_Noob page, is there something else can I do instead?
openOne-Scene Wonder misuse?
I was checking on some examples when I found this in A Few Good Men:
openEdit War over misuse
So on little while back troper, fugamalefica, made a page for Characters.Harry Potter Bellatrix Lestrange that was merged with a new page Characters.Harry Potter Death Eaters Inner Circle. They also added
a entry before it was merged:
- One True Love: Despite being married to Rodolphus Lestrange, Voldemort is the love of her life and the father of her child.
This entry was merged into the Inner Circle page. However, Ti M Ber 1566 removed it
with the edit reason There is no genuine love between Voldemort and Bellatrix at all. Bellatrix only "loves" Voldemort because he embodies her racist views, not for Voldemort himself." fugamalefica then re-added
it saying "Rowling herself called Voldemort the love Bellatrix's life. She is mentioned in the books to speak to him as if to a lover. To say otherwise is merely a matter of opinion." Now I know that this troper has already been suspended
for edit Warring concerning Voldemort and Bellatrix's "love". So what should be done here. I feel like the work doesn't really portray it as One True Love and given that it is a result of edit war and a tropers shipping bias. Am I good to remove?

Recently I've been having problems trying to access the page for Ascend to a Higher Plane of Existence because my antivirus keeps blocking the connection with the warning of "URL:Phishing". But what's weird is that this is the only page on the entire site that it does that for, and I'm not sure if it's just my antivirus making a false positive or is there is something going on with that specific page itself.