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openSome questions about translations
I consume Korean media but don't understand the language myself. How do I write information that didn't make it to the English translation?
- One character's surname is revealed to be "강" (Gang or Kang) outside of the story proper. As far as I remember, all names in the official translation use "k" instead of "g", so is it safe to assume the same for this name?
- A two-season webcomic has its first season translated in English but not its second season. The second season is available in French, along with a subtitle. What do I do about the subtitle? The French translation also hyphenates the names while the English translation doesn't. Should I remove the hyphens from names of season two characters? (Edit: I also have a question about nicknames.)
openTrailer spoiler markup
YMMV.My Little Pony Make Your Mark
- One-Scene Wonder: Opaline, the then unnamed villainous alicorn, only appeared for a few seconds in the premier, but became its most talked about part due to the likely ramifications they'd have for the backstory and series going forward and speculation about their identity.
- Tainted by the Preview: Twilight's appearance at the end of the second chapter trailer has received some criticism for looking like her normal self, as opposed to her post-Time Skip Alicorn appearance in the series finale of My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic.
The latter I'm not sure about spoiling as it was in the trailer so it is not supposed to be a spoiler or so exposed that spoiling it is moot.
The former was a legit spoiler in the series premiere, but was also shown in said trailer. So is that the point we can un-spoil them? If not when (they seem poised to be the Big Bad so it's nigh-impossible to discuss the series without spoiling them)?
openEdit war on Trivia.Deltarune
On Trivia.Deltarune, beanedtron has twice edited the Promoted Fanboy entry to read Promoted Fan, due to the creator it regards being nonbinary. This contradicts the recently-updated policy on gendered redirects
which restricts them to Character Sheets.
We've already sent them a message, but since we're getting Righting Great Wrongs vibes here, we're also putting up a report in case they decide to make a thing about it. and also as a reminder to ourself to actually edit the page once they respond if they don't
openvalid deletion? Print Comic
Paul A removed this example from Sexually Transmitted Superpowers (plus a similar example from an adaptation):
- Played very darkly in The Sandman (1989): in "Dream Country," wealthy author Erasmus Fry reveals that he owes his superhuman inspiration to the fact that he was able to bind the muse Calliope to him. Though he knew that it was possible to gain inspiration by simply wooing Calliope, he found that simply locking her in a room and repeatedly raping her was effective enough to get ideas. Ultimately, Fry sells Calliope to Richard Madoc, an up-and-coming author in desperate need of inspiration; Madoc continues the use of the Muse as a Sex Slave, allowing him to become a Renaissance Man author capable of working in multiple genres and assuming perspectives that would normally be outside his abilities. Unfortunately for both Fry and Madoc, it's indicated that the inspiration gained from raping Calliope will not grant long-term success, leaving them wealthy but forgotten while authors who sought legitimate inspiration are cherished and remembered. However, before he can learn this, Madoc finds himself becoming a target of Calliope's ex-boyfriend, Dream.
Their argument in the edit reason is "Being inspired to write a novel is not a superpower".
Thing is, as I understand it that's kind of the whole point of the Muses: they're goddesses who literally represent the concept of artistic inspiration.
So, what do y'all think?
Edited by StarSwordopenPersona 5 Dreamer Edit War
The page on the page for Maruki from Persona 5 Royal has been subject to an edit war. I deleted the entries for Affably Evil
openUnintentionally Unsympathetic overly-trimmed?
UnintentionallyUnsympathetic.Comic Books
- Sonic the Hedgehog (IDW): Readers who have taken issue with Sonic's decisions to let his adversaries go have generally also begun viewing him more in this light, arguing that he's become more insensitive towards other characters who have reason to be skeptical of his choices, seemingly caring more about his own righteousness in letting go of his adversaries than about how it may affect everyone else.Specific examples In issue #12, he brushes aside Tails' concerns about letting Metal Sonic go free and that they need to "honor his decision" (which leads to Metal returning to the Final Egg just in time to restore Mr. Tinker back to his Eggman self); in issue #24, he gets into a brief-yet-heated argument with Espio about how they should've better handled the Mr. Tinker situation then and there to ensure he wouldn't commit acts of evil again; in issue #32, he shows that he still hopes that Eggman can change for the better despite the Zombie Apocalypse he had just caused; in issue #44, Zavok himself calls out Sonic for his mercy in merely exiling the Deadly Six back to the Lost Hex (in spite of the torment they put him, Tails and the entire world through in Sonic Lost World alone), with Sonic asserting that he won't "sacrifice [his] principles out of fear"; and in issue #50, he tells Surge that he still believes that even [Eggman and Starline] deserve the freedom to live life for the better. Likewise, upon first meeting Belle during the Chao Races and Badnik Bases arc, he somehow mistakes her for an evil robot (despite looking and acting nothing like one), tries to destroy her and later leave her behind in the middle of nowhere despite his earlier insistence on showing mercy, giving chances and not assuming the worst about everyone and everything. Sonic also comes off to these readers as being more judgmental and condescending than his usual characterization when being faced with opposing views, and emphasizing his own viewpoint as being noble regardless of his allies' own views.Specific examples The case where he claps back at Shadow to remember his own villainous history— despite it being misguided compared to Eggman's self-aware egotism, his redemption not being the result of amnesia, and how Shadow's knowingly atoned for it since— during their fight in issue #6; claiming to "honor [Metal Sonic's] decision" in issue #12 but chastising him for being a "one-note jerk" for rejoining Eggman later in issue #26; the aforementioned heated argument with Espio in issue #24, who was shown to be visibly traumatized by Charmy and Vector's Zombot infections in the issues prior; and spending his fight with Surge in issue #50 brushing off her Tragic Villain nature, quipping and spouting out that he's having "fun" during their battle, and making a speech about why he chooses to give everyone the freedom of mercy, in contrast to how Tails at least tries talking things out with Kit. This tweet
shows a fan reaction of the most recent of these.
This was trimmed to this citing "Trimming down the entry and removing blatant one-sided arguments".
- Sonic the Hedgehog (IDW): Some readers have taken issue with Sonic's Thou Shall Not Kill attitude, arguing that his decision to let his enemies go has had disastrous, unintentional consequences on those around him.
The revised entry fixes the complaining but now fails to explain how it's unintentional/why they were supposed to be sympathetic. What to do? I asked UU Cleanup
but heard nothing back.
open Self-inflicted Force Feeding
Can a work have Force Feeding wicked if the force feeding in question is self-inflicted? Asking for future reference.
openValid website page?
Is Asexuality Archive a valid page? A lot of the examples seem to be about the author himself and the page seems more or less about a blog with some educational aspects. I'm not too sure on how websites are treated, but since we're cracking down on Lets Plays for not having any tropeable or transformative material and being mostly just reactions to a thing, I wondered about this page too
openTroper with overly defensive attitude
First a brief background. About a month ago, I once again hunt down This Troper using Google-Fu to track them down among wilderness that's moment pages (good news, I think they're gone from Nightmare Fuel/ and Tearjerker/). I sometime leave "Kill This Troper" as edit reason (as in terminate the usage of the term, in silar fashion to "kill a process") when remove it. A strong word, but I'm certain that it isn't rude (especially when removing this troper).
Today, I got rudeness notifier from Tropers/littlemisstfp2 regarding such edit
(a pure self-insert that has nothing to does with the entry) on NightmareFuel.Transformers Cyberverse. As noted, I don't think it's rude and replied as such. But digging a little more on the page's history reaveal two things.
- they were the one who added it
, and this is as recent as the last year's December (in contrast to most cases I found, which are usually years old).
- This edit
on Awesome.Transformers Cyberverse remove spoiler tag from page quote, which is a good thing, but their edit reason "Here to fix this before Wafer responds with more insults. Heheheheh" suggest a history with another troper.
Maybe I'm bias and reading too much into it (their edits are fine otherwise as far as I saw). And maybe the cultural difference make me misjudge the significant of the word "kill" (in that case, please say so). But I think they're acting too defensive.
Edited by Kuruni
HoMM Fan
openTroper Creating Main wiki pages for nonexistant works
Kraken Nowak has been actively editing on TV Tropes since last October, and a majority of their edits are based around the works found on Creator.Gavin Nowak.
As you can tell, though, these works are all given release dates at least 5 years in the future, if not as many as 20, and there is no record of them actually existing anywhere other than the creator's head.
Normally I would move them myself, but I wanted to make an ATT about it as the creator is still active on TV Tropes and edited the pages just today.
open Bishonen Line Anime
The term Bishonen is used in the trope Bishonen Line but when I tried to search for the word Bishonen's definition itself, there was only the, uh, x-rated definition to be found. Is it the same word repurposed, or am I searching incorrectly?
open Most Edited Playing With Page?
Apologies in advance if this seems like a waste of time. It's just a personal challenge, something that wouldn't change the grand scheme of things. Basically, making The Idiot From Osaka as the most edited Playing With page possible.
I've seen Karma Houdini as the most edited Playing With page, with 176 edits counting myself. The edits tell me it's the most edited while my gut doesn't. Is there a way I can find the most edited Playing With page?
openTroper with a history of spam
Sheiam-akanda's edit history
is entirely edits to their troper page, vandalism to Laura Bailey, and the creation of spam subpages for Laura Bailey, all seemingly to self-promote.
resolved LGBT Fanbase example concerns
i am once again bothering tvt about hideri /s
so the LGBT Fanbase example on YMMV.Blend S lists that gender-nonconforming and transfem fans really like hideri (after a bit of tweaking from me, since the entry used to only list that GNC fans like them), but as far as i'm aware the common consensus on the wiki is that crossdressing and gender-nonconformity in general doesn't automatically equal LGBTQ+, and i feel like that part of the entry could be trimmed off considering that.
however, i'm a bit worried about doing so myself since it could come off as agenda-based, seeing that it's. not really a secret that i'm very much in the "transfem hideri" camp when it comes to the character in question, so i'm coming here for consensus. what do
Edited by worldwidewoomy
HoMM Fan
open Possible overcorrection by Troper
I know natural-strap is already being discussed in another ATT, but I felt this one was worth talking about separately.
they removed
this note from Evolving Trope under portrayal of Germans in media.
"Members of the "Wehrmacht", the actual German military in that time period, need not even be Nazis in a political sense. Saying a German soldier is a Nazi is like saying an American soldier is a Republican or Democrat based purely on the party in power at the time."
with the reason
"the Clean Wehrmacht Myth is just a gussied-up form of soft Holocaust denial and has no place in a wiki that isn't explicitly about German self-justification""
Except... this isn't exactly an example of that. Myth of the Clean Wehrmacht means asserting that the Whermacht did nothing wrong, its commanders in particular. This entry just states that there may have been individual low ranking soldiers who may not have been Nazis in a political sense, which feels like a fair thing to say to me.
In addition, it's about portrayal in media, and there is definitely the presence of the "honorable non-nazi Wehrmacht solider" in media, whether or not it's historically correct.
I am holding on changing it without more feedback.
Edited by TonwenopenTroper Ignoring Notifiers
I'm back. I would like to report that Dat Boi 10 has been ignoring any notifiers I send them. For the record, I sent them a PM about this about a couple days ago. However, I haven't gotten a response to either any my PM or any of my notifiers.
The most recent notifier I sent was for a grammar mistake, namely in Characters.Arknights Guards when they typed
"due" instead of "oue". They also used incorrect indentation at least several times, namely on
Characters.Arknights Snipers N To Z and the page
ThatOneLevel.Arknights.
I've also sent them several Administrivia.Word Cruft notifiers, like when they typed "Similarly". Now, I'm aware that that isn't WC by itself. However, when it starts a sub-bullet like in that edit
, it is. They also added
"basically" to GameBreaker.Arknights. In another edit to that page, they added
"pretty much".
I'm sorry if this isn't important. Personally, I'm unsure if this is suspensible, I just want to hear if a mod can fix this issue. Also, a couple mods told me that they prefer ATT posts rather than DMs.
EDIT: I fixed an error with a link.
Edited by RandomTroper123openExamples of Tropes Attempted, but Perhaps Failed Videogame
I find myself with a trope that I want to add to a page—but one in which, in my opinion, the trope was attempted but failed at. How should such a thing be approached...?
To be a little more specific:
In the game ShadowCaster, the player has access to a number of forms into which they can shapeshift, each having benefits and drawbacks. One form might be fast and strong, another slow but with ranged attacks, etc.
So, Multiform Balance has been implemented, one might note.
Except... that the forms are, in my opinion, not actually particularly balanced. For example, the above-mentioned "slow-but-ranged" character does have some good ranged abilities... but they rely on and quickly consume a somewhat-hard-(or-slow)-to-recover resource. What's more, that resource is shared between forms, so that one form consuming it means that it's less available for other forms to use. What's more, the form is, as mentioned, slow—painfully slow, I find.
But all of that is, of course, YMMV. Perhaps there are others out there who find the forms well-balanced!
So I'm not sure of how to proceed. My instinct is to note the attempt, and also note that it didn't work. But on the other hand, that's perhaps insufficiently objective for a main-page trope. On the third hand, however, to not mention it might suggest that the forms actually are balanced...
Hence my uncertainty! So: What do you advise?
open Complaining in Stardew Valley YMMV?
Two entries on YMMV.Stardew Valley (Anvilicious and Designated Villain) seem to be subtle complaints about the game's handling of the game's Pierre vs. Joja sidestory, since we don't see much of JojaMart and Morris. I'm wondering how to handle them?
- The game's Green Aesop is just as prevalent. Several characters will drop everything, apropos of nothing, to lecture the Farmer on how they need to be environmentally-conscious and aware of their impact on the environment. Vaguely-defined "environmental pollution" is considered to be one of Joja Corporation's many dastardly deeds, but this is never shown in-game, other than litter strewn around sewage outlets, most of which probably came from the town's inhabitants. Furthermore, none of the characters who talk about the environment are ever seen doing much to improve things, not even picking up the aforementioned-trash.
- Joja Corporation, and Morris specifically. We are assured that they are very evil and mean and probably kick puppies and kitty cats around at every opportunity, as well as typical Green Aesop-pushing, nebulously-defined environmental pollution. However, they never do anything particularly malicious on-screen. The biggest Kick the Dog moment any Joja member gets is Morris's incredibly condescending letter to Pierre and the comically-low wages they pay their Joja Mart employees. However, many fans will argue that Pierre doesn't exactly come out of a contest-of-character smelling like a rose. Morris himself is never anything but (possibly a little bit too) polite to the Farmer, and if you do get a JojaMart membership you can still revitalize the town and valley through cold hard cash.
Just for clarity, I don't exactly think Joja count as Designated Villains when their Predatory Business tactics are why the player leaves their job with them and kicks off the game's plot. The opening shows some of their employees dead or stoned, they block off some of the mountains in the early game for a legally dubious mining operation, and paying them to revitalize the town is done solely to boost their public image (since it requires sacrificing the community center to do so).
As for the Green Aesop, it's... not as heavy as the entry implies it to be. Recycling and solar panels are seen, and there's a quest for Linus you can do that involves fishing up trash. Outside of that, its rarely brought up by the villagers, and cleaning the game's environment is entirely optional for the player.

I noticed Rick and Morty stands out for featuring a duo rather than just a single character. Does that imply Self.Demonstrating can be about multiple characters? And if so, what are some limits on that?