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openSeemingly non-existent fanfic
I recently found the page for Dance Of Destiny, it claims to be a Pokémon fanfiction released on FanFiction.Net. The page doesn't link to the fic so I went to try and find it myself but I looked all over Fanfiction.net and I can't find the fanfic anywhere. Unless I am somehow missing something it seems that this fanfic doesn't exist. I don't know if it maybe was removed or it never existed, to begin with but I can't find it.
So what should be done then?
openNot too sure about starting a fanfic page about a Japanese fanwork Videogame
Hello Tropers,
Today I want to consider doing and creating a page for another Fan Fic of Touhou Project known as "Touhou Baseball in Heat Star 2007", by "Decorun-san" in Nico Video website, as seen here
. I cannot plan to translate everything and this is a Japanese work with No Dub for You (no English translation), and I'm the only one interested currently in making the page.
Question is, since I cannot simply just create a fan-work page by myself, for now I'm considering to instead put it in Sandbox. For now, I just decide to load up with a plenty of tropes based on analysis from a rough translation from what I got.
Can I get suggestions with how are non-English fan works are generally handled? Maybe if necessary you can redirect me to a forum topic if needed, but I'm just curious, honestly.
Thank you for your attention.
Edited by JustNormalMusicLoveropenanother stub page
I found a fic page with a perfectly good summary but only two tropes listed.
Now, this page was made in 2020 and last edit was a year ago, and it has the total of ten edits. I checked the linked fic and it's completed.
Should I send this straight to the cutlist or should we hold out hope that someone will add to it? I mean, if I could do that myself I would be adding already, but I can't so...
openHandling Spoiler-y Tropes Videogame
So, myself and Umbrellas Were Awesome are disagreeing about including tropes that could spoil a part of a work by their very inclusion as examples (ie. by having the trope listed as such, it spoils part of the work).
However, Umbrellas wants to add the trope Boss Subtitles to the characters page for the three. By the nature of that trope, listing it as an example that they have — even if the text after is entirely spoiled out — it would inherently spoil that those characters are boss fights, which the Splatoon pages have otherwise spoilered out.
The reason they cite is that it's because they remember that "being at least slightly spoiled is kind of inherant to the process, and one shouldn't delete or comment out entries simply out of a desire to avoid spoiling literally everything", as listed in their edit reason. Which I agree with, but that the Splatoon 3 pages otherwise always treat the identity of the bosses as a spoiler makes this seem to me like it's just inconsistent.
What would be the correct way to treat that trope in this case? I did consult the spoiler policy, but it doesn't clarify for these kinds of situations where the inclusion of a trope causes a spoiler itself.
openAss Pull on Jojo Part 6 ymmv Anime
There has been one user argumenting the use of this on the ymmv page of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Stone Ocean, where they provided arguments for how the plot points that were put on asspull made sense, but later reverted them back because of ymmv.
I find myself confused, cause the points that the user rises sound compelling enough to warrant a removal from them, but idk if most users are willing to agree.
openMetagaming tropes in CCG pages Videogame
Hi, everyone.
Just today I was taking a glance at the Marvel Snap page, and an issue that has frequently popped up in my searches through this site's CCG pages came to my attention.
Metagaming tropes (or using tropes for metagaming). Now, I'm personally a person that loves playing meta decks and the aspect of competition, but I have always felt that this kind of entries doesn't belong in most main work pages (barring stuff like Smogon which main point is the competitive aspect). After a few months working on the Character pages for Yu-Gi-Oh, I found out that these tropes led themselves to constant shoehorning, general examples (like putting Achilles' Heel for every kind of a weakness a deck has) and overly specific entries that are more akin to walkthrough mode. To not mention the fact that the metagame constantly evolves, which means that the entries suffer from a lot from Examples Are Not Recent syndrome, and a few years down the line the entries become outdated.
Inserting a few examples to prove my point (from Hearthstone, the Marvel Snap page itself, and then Yu-Gi-Oh).
- Attack! Attack! Attack!: The general strategy of an aggro deck or a rush deck is to hit the enemy hero relentlessly with charge minions and spells, pausing only to get rid of any Taunt minions that get in the way. The Hunter is particularly good at this, as his hero power lets him keep shooting the enemy hero for 2 damage and can't be mitigated by taunts. The Warlock Zoo Deck is pretty much this taken to the extreme: it consist mostly of cheap creatures, small buffs, and a lot of burst damage. Abusing the Warlock card draw hero power, this deck usually forgoes all non-essential board control and just seeks to absolutely steamroll opponents with tons of small, annoying, efficient minions and burst damage before they can control the board, stabilize and restore Health.
- Exaggerated by the popular (and also much-despised) 'Face Hunter' deck, a deck so mindlessly aggressive (even Zoo Warlock uses its rush advantage to secure board control) that a bot could play it and is regularly able to secure a turn 5 or 6 kill by simply ignoring EVEYRTHING except the opponent. EVERYTHING GOES TO THE FACE!
- Difficult, but Awesome: As explained under All or Nothing, Galactus is normally a very risky card to play, given that he downsizes the game to a single location and he only brings a Power of 3 to win said location. However, if you can get extra Energy (from Psilocke, Electro or locations) and play Galactus early, on a location where your opponent is weaker, you can dominate the game by playing strong cards in subsequent turns. This is still a pretty risky move, since your opponent can have stronger cards in their hands, but it can also totally surprise them. Not to mention, you get to see Galactus' world-destroying animation, which is pure Awesome.
- Achilles' Heel: Some cards have deliberate weaknesses to keep things interesting and keep them from becoming too powerful:
- The Earthbound Immortals
are all very strong, unable to be attacked, and can attack the opponent directly. But, they automatically destroy themselves if there's no Field Spell card on the field. Also, there can only be one Earthbound Immortal on the field.
- Cloudians
must remain in Attack Position or they will destroy themselves.
- In the metagame, this trope is present through deck match-ups and side decking. The most prominent example of this trope the in the competitive scene are, perhaps, the Dark World cards— A deck that is extremely fast, powerful, and can utterly wreck the first duel of the match. However, after said first duel, side in Consecrated Light
or Shadow-Imprisoning Mirror
and watch as they struggle against it.
- Pendulum Summoning is a very powerful summoning type, allowing you to summon multiple high-level monsters at once. However, Pendulum Cards can easily be gotten rid of with backrow removal cards like Twin Twisters and Cosmic Cyclone, cards that nearly every deck runs in some capacity. In addition, cards that immediately destroy or negate summons, such as Bottomless Trap Hole and Solemn Warning, shut it down hard as, thanks to the wording, it destroys/negates all the monsters summoned this way, since they were treated as one summon, which results in you losing a lot of your best cards in a single move as a result. Also, Pendulum Monsters whose Summons got negated and destroyed this way go to the Graveyard instead of back into the Extra Deck so they cannot be easily reclaimed.
- Any archetype that relies on specific spell cards (Gishki, Shaddoll, Masked HEROs, just to name a few) will struggle if said spell is negated by Cursed Seal of the Forbidden Spell
.
- The Earthbound Immortals
I bring this up because pages like Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft have a massive number of metagaming entries, and I would like to open up this issue to debate for the community. To know if it's actually perceived as a problem or I'm just overblowing this situation.
Edited by Edgar81539openNot seeing on related pages
Okay, just noticed for some reason on several pages for some reason that even if they are wicked on Western Animation they don't show up on their related pages, I checked Inside Job (2021), Hi Hi Puffy AmiYumi, Invader Zim and Magnificent Bastard itself, they're all the page but the page isn't showing up on their related pages, is there a reason for that?
Edited by AgentofchaosopenPoupelle of Chimney Town by Akihiro Nishino
The history of Poupelle of Chimney Town by Akihiro Nishino is complex. Here I only outline the primary development of the franchise:
- 2011: Nishino conceived Poupelle of Chimney Town as a film.
- 2012: Nishino and Akira Ishida did a live comedic performance
in Sanrio Puroland based on the story. Nishino finished writing the story.
- 2016: Nishino wrote and illustrated a picture book (fully available in both Japanese
and English
for free) to advertise the film. Nishino himself says the book omits four-fifths of the film
.
- 2020: The film was released, animated by Studio 4°C.
- 2022: Shout! Factory licensed the film for home video in North America.
Should we use the Literature/ or Anime/ namespaces for Poupelle of Chimney Town?
Edited by IukaSylvieopenKrazy Kat
Every single hard C on Krazy Kat is replaced with a K, so you get stuff like "klassik newspaper komics" in the opening paragraph. This may work as a brief gag, or as a Self-Demonstrating subpage, but is it really necessary to use it on the entire page, along with the subpages? It makes the text hard to read.
open Issue trying to create a work page
I apologize if this is the wrong place to ask this question.
I'm trying to create a work page for The Magical Revolution Of The Reincarnated Princess And The Genius Young Lady. When I was working on an initial draft, the lock clock timed out and I got a warning when I tried to save my changes of someone apparently also editing the page. I saved the text that I had written and canceled editing the page.
When I canceled editing, I didn't see a lock sign indicating someone else was editing the page, so I tried going back in and was presented with the text box again. I tried copy-pasting my original text in and saving the changes, but the changes weren't saved and the work page remains uncreated. I made a second attempt later on and still got the same result.
The odd thing is that if you look at my edit history, you can see that I have two edits to that particular work page. However, going to the work page itself shows nothing in the history. I don't want to risk screwing up anything, so I'm asking here if someone knows what might be causing the issue.
openCan edit history be cleared?
A while ago I added the author's name on the pages Frollo Freak and Back to the Frollo, as the author herself gave the info on her official sites where the fics are hosted, and her social media sites, which the aforementioned official sites link to. After learning that this action still counts as doxing, I removed the name from both pages, but they remain in the edit history. Is there a way to clear edit histories or remove those specific edits?
I am also aware that doxing is a bannable offense, and I will take any punishment as warranted.
Edited by FuyumotoopenEdit war on Condemned by History
The following entry:
- The "angry reviewer" style was a popular style of reviewing in the late 2000s and early 2010s. It was popularized around 2006-2007 by The Angry Video Game Nerd and The Nostalgia Critic, who made a name for themselves deliberately reviewing bad video games and movies with comedically exaggerated anger. They often interspersed their "reviews" with skits, foul language, and Vulgar Humor, alongside giving background information about what they reviewed. The genre also spread outside of reviewing video games and movies, with many critics reviewing comics or animated works.
However, in the mid-2010s, the genre saw a massive decline in popularity. Once AVGN and The Nostalgia Critic blew up, Sturgeon's Law kicked in: a large number of inferior copycats tried to ape their style by simply ramping up the vitriol and Vulgar Humor, while ignoring the wit and research they had in their videos of the two aforementioned review shows. Several of these videos also contained personal attacks against the creators, as well as against fans of the works being reviewed, which were not always done humorously. By the late 2010s, viewers began to see such reviews as too mean-spirited and often done in bad faith, gravitating towards straightforward video essays with less vitriolic humour. Perhaps the final blow was a series of scandals involving Channel Awesome, and The Nostalgia Critic's poorly received review of The Wall, which showcased all of the problems of this format.
Nowadays, the only truly successful shows that survive with this style are the aforementioned AVGNnote Largely due to the Grandfather Clause, James Rolfe's tendency to stay out of Internet drama, the formula often being changed around to work with the original style on top of being more informative and extensively researched, and Rolfe being as respectful as can be to both fans and the creators of the content he reviews when not in character, Angry Joenote Mainly because he regularly does positive reviews as well and his criticisms are more often than not actual criticisms instead of anger for the sake of anger and JonTronnote Who phased out the style for more surreal, zany humor over time. Even Doug Walker himself, despite being the main inspiration and source of criticism for the genre, significantly toned down the anger in his Nostalgia Critic persona when the show was Un-Cancelled and incorporated film re-enactments and surreal comedy. Most of the critics known for the genre have either retired from reviewing, suffered from declining viewership for sticking with the old formula, or have transitioned into a more professional style, with some, like Quinton Reviews and Lindsay Ellis, going so far as to publicly disavow their older videos.
had the bolded portion added
by Cavery 210.
Neverwood recently removed it
with the following edit reason:
Cavery 210 then added it back
with the following edit reason:
openEdit warring and removals without a reason
I'm well aware that reverting an edit that is a clear rule violation does not count as edit warring. But lately, I've seen this rule applied to when an example is removed without an edit reason.
For example:
A adds an example (which is not obviously invalid and does not violate any rules). B removes the example without an edit reason. A adds the example back, citing "removal without a reason" as the edit reason.
Is it true that A is not edit warring in this case? I think the case isn't quite obvious, since A may be wrong about the example being valid (for example, A could have misunderstood what the trope is about).
I'm asking because I find myself in A's position here. I could of course post the example here and ask if it's OK to put it back (and I'll be happy to do so), but I don't want to waste people's time if it's explicitly allowed to do this.
EDITED: I will send a notifier and ask why they deleted it, but even if they answer and this can be "peacefully" resolved, I'm interested to know what the policy actually is.
Edited by GnomeTitanopenFetishFuel EditWar
I'm self-reporting a slip-up on my part.
On Headscratchers.The Boys 2019, Flash Steps added an entry that troped Fetish Fuel, but it was talking about characters having "in-universe Fetish Fuel". Since in-universe examples are supposed to refer to Fetish, I corrected the link on the 18th with an edit reason explaining that in-universe examples refer to fetish.
I was page surfing today when I noticed the Fetish Fuel pothole, corrected it, and sent a notifier to Flash Steps about which one to use when it's in-universe before recognising which page I was on. I scrolled too fast through the history page and missed both of our previous edits. That carelessness is entirely my fault. On a second look at the history page, I found the previous edits, realised they'd undone my edit and that I'd made things worse by undoing that one.
I've therefore reverted the entry back to Flash Steps' most recent edit and am reporting the pair of us here.
Edited by WyldchyldopenMedium question for an example. Videogame
I want to add this example to either Multi-Disc Work or its Video Games subpage. However, I'm not sure whether it could fall under "Music" (which is on a folder in the trope's main page) or "Video Games", since while the source work is a video game, the disc work in itself is a soundtrack release (which is quite common for popular video games).
- Hotline Miami:
- In 2017, game publisher Devolver Digital and record label Laced Records teamed up to release a pair of official albums for the soundtracks of the first and second games (respectively) on vinyl, with each album consisting of three LPs and featuring original artwork from El Huervo, one of the soundtracks' artists.
- The 2022 reissue album made for the first game's tenth anniversary has eight LPs (two more than the first two albums combined) alongside Feelies like a disc slipmat, art prints and stickers.
Should I put on "Music", "Video Games" or the "Other" folder?
Edited by Inky100openNarm - flame bait status?
Narm is marked as a YMMV trope, but not Flame Bait.
However, the medium-specific subpages for Narm are marked as Flame Bait.
Shouldn't Narm itself be marked that way?
Or is the intent really that mediums with no subpage (E.g. Tabletop Game) can continue to add Narm to their works' ymmv pages, and can crosswick to the main Narm page without ever seeing those flamebait warnings?
Thanks!
openMore Auto-Erotic Troping...
... as said.
Troper VicGeorge2011's
account proudly proclaims himself to be writer of Fanfic.Empath The Luckiest Smurf.
Said troper also made the fic's YMMV page
, under Ron the Death Eater
openHow can I ask if my fanfic can be added to the Fanfic Recs?
Currently, there are just 2 methods I know to have your fanfic added to the "Fanfic Recs" on Tv tropes: wait for someone to like it and add it, or add it yourself (the most incorrect one).
Isn't there a way to link it somewhere, maybe on a list, so people can check it and decide if your story is good enough? A way to avoid having a long wait but without also doing low-level things like add it on your own?
openMiraculous Ladybug - Lila Rossi page
Someone removed the Stalker Without a Crush Trope from her page even tho I think the new released episode Perfection makes it obvious that she's this to Marinette (the main protagonist), as she's shown cutting her head off from pictures she has of her at her home with her family or casually walking down the streets with her friends, pictures she couldn't possibly had if she wasn't either stalking her herself or paying someone else to do it.

I tried sending a PM to another troper, and got this message.
"The troper you are sending a message to is currently inactive. The message was not sent."
What does "inactive" mean here? Is it a catch-all term for having somehow shut down their account themself, being permabanned, etc.?
Edited by MarqFJA