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open Alternate Self question
Hello. So recently Known Unknown started deleting examples of Alternate Self from the Batman (1966) character pages, with that show having been established as being an alternate universe in DC's live-action multiverse created by Crisis on Infinite Earths (2019). The trope had been used in character folders to have links to different versions of characters shown to canonically exist in the multiverse (for example, 66 Batman had a link to the Burton Batman page). Using the trope in this way has also been used with characters from the Marvel Cinematic Universe, Spider-Man Trilogy and The Amazing Spider-Man Series.
Known Unknown claims that the use of the trope was inaccurate since they don't fit the criteria of the trope, and that just because these pieces of media crossed over in Crisis that doesn't retroactively make this trope valid. They also said the trope should only be used for alternate versions of character that directly interacted with each other (so Smallville Superman interacting with Arrowverse Superman). They also claimed it shouldn't have been used for characters that didn't appear in the crossover at all, as it has been used for characters that have appeared in multiple pieces of media established to be canon with each other (for example, both Smallville and Arrowverse have used the same villains).
Given that the multiverse is clearly becoming a thing in live-action media and companies are retconning previous films/shows as part of the multiverse, I feel that it needs to be made clear whether Alternate Self is a trope that can be used in situations like this. If not, can another trope be used instead of Alternate Self. Personally I think Alternate Self makes sense in this context, but if I'm wrong I would like to know so I can undo the mistakes that I have made.
openold-ass self-aggregandizing, keep or cut?
yeah yeah There Is No Such Thing As Notability
ive stumbled across a few links ranting about undertale to some site called Froghand. all the examples spread through the site have been made by (surprise) a guy named froge. i dont know what policy is on people who sign up to promote their blogs/rants; if this guy had an audience i wouldnt mind
Edited by MsOranjeDiscoDanceropenNSFW warning for external links?
The Quest for Camelot “Nightmare Fuel” page (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/NightmareFuel/QuestForCamelot)
has an external link under the “Off-Model” entry, which is indicated to be a thumbnail of the character Ruber’s eye animation. However, the link returns a 403 error for me. I then noticed the URL itself is a 4chan link. While the image (assuming it links to what it purports to) would not be NSFW, are 4chan links permissible at all given the site has a lot of NSFW/violent/hateful etc content? If so, should they be labeled as NSFW regardless of whether the specific thing linked to is or not? Or would it be better for the link to be replaced with one to a site that’s less likely to contain NSFW content? I looked through ATT but didn’t see anything specific on this question. The Troper who created the link (Carliro) is banned; otherwise I’d have started with a direct ask to him.
Appreciate any clarification, and apologies if I formatted things incorrectly in this post. I am new.
resolved Correctly Inputting A Work Webcomic
I'm adding an entry to https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/BecomingTheMask/FanWorks
and am reading how to edit, but I am still have trouble grasping the linking and spoiler codes. Also, do fan work comics go under Fan Works or Web Comics?
Here is the current text, spoilers ahead.
- In * the short comicBecoming The Facade
, by 'Rated-R-PonyStar, two changelings stealthily take out and assume the lives as two royal guards. One of the guards has a family, and the changeling develops a genuine attachment. Unfortunately, he successfully procreates with his "wife", and the other changeling slaughters the family before he can do anything to act on his newfound love. The [[Pun changed changing kills his companion. He is implied to have revealed himself in a [1] as he attends the funeral.]]
open Edit war on a Funny moment
Streamof Consciousness added an entry
on Funny.Hololive about a key visual depicting one character with his hand slightly masking his forehead. They think it's a Facepalm; I do not, hence why I deleted it
. Rather than open up a thread in the discussion tab while I wasn't around to respond to their DM, StreamofConsciousness found it in good taste to re-add the entry
, however slightly reworded it is, and even tried to justify themself with a mouthful edit reason that includes quoting the trope page.
Even with StreamofConsciousness's justification, I still don't see how Vesper Noir's new key visual is anything other than looking cool.

resolved Which name to use for this character Literature
In The Scum Villain's Self-Saving System: Ren Zha Fanpai Zijiu Xitong, the protagonist, originally named Shen Yuan, transmigrates into a character named Shen Qingqiu, and from then on is referred to as Shen Qingqiu, including in his own thoughts. So in the story, he's called Shen Qingqiu like 99% of the time. I've noticed that the article for The Scum Villain's Self-Saving System: Ren Zha Fanpai Zijiu Xitong uses both names, but Shen Yuan more often than Shen Qingqiu. I feel like it would be better to use Shen Qingqiu by default and only use Shen Yuan when referring to his past life as the novel does. Would it be okay for me to make these changes?
openSelf-demonstrating page overrides indentation rules?
SelfDemonstrating.Beavis And Butt Head has quite a bit of Natter. Apparently it's the two characters responding to each other. Do we let this be because it's a self-demonstrating page or do we axe the natter?
openCould it have been worded better?
This was re-added to YMMV.Forspoken because according to the user who re-added it, it met the criteria:
- Hype Backlash: One of the biggest victims of the current generation. Forspoken started with an elaborate, multi-million dollar marketing campaign offering bombastic promises, only to be mired with constant production delays, Release Date Changes, cut content, broken promises, a controversial pricetag and eventual delivery of a game that, even if it wasn't flawed by itself, still couldn't hope to match the build-up done over three years.
Could it have been worded better, or it's just fine?
resolved About re-adding a specific trope
All of the examples for Talking to Themself have been removed from the trivia pages, as they used to refer to one actor playing more than one role. But would adding them back in as Acting for Two, which does refer to such, count as edit warring?
openTroper ignoring advices and posting misuses
For a period of time, gamerzillasaurusrex2000 was suspended and had to use the "Help with English" thread. Grammar aside, most examples they asked to be corrected seemed to be misuse in my opinion. I contacted them twice (one time in PM and one time on the forum) to tell them that the examples they wanted to grammar-check seemed to be misuse and I advised them to post them on the "Is This an Example?" thread after having them grammar-checked, but they completely ignored me. Recently, gamerzillasaurusrex2000 was unsuspended and posted all of their corrected example without taking the time to verify if they were valid examples. Here's two
examples
of what I consider complete misuse
, but there's more (notably in Truth in Television) if you look at their edit history starting from when they got unsuspended (Feb 15th). Do you people agree that plenty of these examples are misuse? I wouldn't want to single-handily check all of their edits myself to see if they are valid or not because I may make mistakes myself.
openTropers/SMG4fan
I found three problems with SM G4fan.
1. They never pothole (well, they did it once
, linking Manga to The Dark Age Of Comic Books, and that's just plain wrong).
2. Their English is pretty bad, (and coming from me, that mean something).
3. Their claim is dubious. For examples, here
. I known that Fatal Fury (and The King of Fighters) isn't as popular as it used to be, but using porn as proof that "many people in the United States know here from her guest appearance in Dead or Alive" (sic) is questionable by itself.
openDo show creators read TV Tropes?
More of a general question, but I wonder if creators/filmmakers/artists/what-have-you read the TV Tropes pages about their works. I'm asking this because someone found out that copyrighted documents were on the Work It Out Wombats! page and they were deleted "(per request from show creator)" according to the edit reason. Also, the YMMV page for Molly of Denali mentions how the show's hatedom accused it of being a ripoff of Wild Kratts, then the two shows did a crossover episode. The WMG page has the theory that Oscar will grow up to be a lynx-themed superhero, then they made an episode where Oscar draws himself as 'Lynx Boy.'
I think this proves that at least some creators read TV Tropes, but we don't know for sure.
EDIT: I have more evidence. The YMMV page mentions that the character of Kenji is popular with the ladies. In season 3 of Molly, he got Demoted to Extra, probably because the show runners were weirded out by his fangirls.
Edited by sudrictoonopenCreators Pest examples?
Back in Dec 2021, Dracoblade deleted these Creator's Pest examples (in folder due to sheer number/leangth) citing "The trope is creators not liking a character they wrote, not fan fic writers deliberately writing a character badly because they didn't like them. That's a different trope. Likewise, rewriting a scene or season like how it should have gone goes under Fix Fic, not here."
- Total Drama:
- Second Chance at Love
- Sierra, Duncan, and Alejandro are among the author's most despised TD characters; they're also the only three to not hook up with anyone or receive a happy ending. Cody's rant against Sierra in Chapter 2 and Leshawna's beatdown of both Alejandro and Duncan in Chapter 4 are more or less expressions of the author's hatred of them.
- Neither author is a fan of the Duncan/Courtney ship, due to both of them being in the camp that views their relationship as too toxic and abusive. Duncan more or less expresses the authors' views, saying that he has permanently lost interest in Courtney and will never return to her due to having become fed up with her behavior.
- Total Drama Legends: The author of the story has a deep hatred for Sierra, which likely explains how her continued obsession with Cody leads him to no longer view her as a friend, her early elimination, and her devolution into Feral Sierra.
- Total Shuffled Island Series: The author really hated Dave. His negative traits were accentuated, and all of his positive characteristics were removed. He is utterly useless in the challenges while being obnoxious to his teammates, with Mike the one he treats the worst. He is entitled to dating Sky and refuses to listen to her; ultimately, he was voted off with Sky telling him off. The author herself even admitted to hating Dave and admitted she made him worse here than he was in the show.
- Rufus T. Serenity has also stated that he hates the canonical version of Total Drama World Tour (and to a lesser extent, Total Drama Action), with his dislike for the seasons being a significant influence on the numerous major differences existing in the story's timeline.
- Both writers of Total Drama All-Stars Rewrite rank Cody as their least favorite character, which likely explains his Adaptational Jerkass qualities and Butt-Monkey moments during the Aftermath. Courtney and Lightning are also strongly disliked by the authors, which has a bit to do with why the other characters give Courtney No Sympathy for being cheated on back in World Tour (although she does later get a redemption) while Lightning is more or less hated by the entire cast (Lindsay even outright tells him he was annoying).
- Second Chance at Love
- The Many Dates of Danny Fenton
- Two authors of the other The Many Dates of Danny Fenton stories have a negative view of Sam Manson and Tucker Foley.
- NeoMark has stated many times that he dislike Sam as a character and, to a lesser extent Tucker. And feel their role in the story should be downplayed in favor of other characters. At the beginning of After Many Dates: Danny and Kim numbered characters commented on how Kim Possible was more pretty than Sam and how they like Kim better than Sam. Downplayed as NeoMark realizes that he went too far and tried to show their positive traits, but also reduced their role in the story in favor of the other heroes. In NeoMark other stories, he has been shown trying to balance Sam and Tucker's positive and negative traits and when they suffer bad luck for their actions to when they get a lucky break as a reward for doing the right thing.
- Played Straight with Luiz4200. You can tell by his writing that he really hates Sam and Tucker. He put the two of them through a lot, having Sam and Tucker caught sneaking into Alex's house. Both were grounded, with Sam's parents cutting her off and forcing her to get a job. When she confessed her feelings for Danny, he rejected her outright. Luiz4200 went to go so far as to have Tucker not pursue a relationship with Velma Dinkley in TMDDF: Danny Chooses Alex After the Many Dates so that Tucker can still be humiliation in flirting with other girls. Later downplayed in Luiz4200 other stories were Sam and Tucker don't suffer as much as bad luck as in TMDDF: Danny Chooses Alex After the Many Dates, with Sam and Tucker even getting a few lucky breaks in that story like Danny forgiving Sam and Tucker meeting Velma Dinkley in college and getting together with her.
- Most of the authors do not have the fondest opinions of Family Guy and American Dad!, given how its characters are mocked, harmed, arrested, and even killed and brought back to life before getting a life sentence in them. Notably, unlike the other characters the other authors dislike, these characters were never shown with either redeeming traits or getting good fortune.
- Two authors of the other The Many Dates of Danny Fenton stories have a negative view of Sam Manson and Tucker Foley.
- Codex Equus
- Chrysalis from canon. BrutalityInc had admitted on multiple occasions to utterly loath her as a character, to the point he himself believes his hatred reaches irrational levels. These reasons stems seeing her as having completely failed to live up to her supposed cred as a master manipulator and The Chessmaster in canon by constantly making VERY idiotic mistakes, her lack of depth as a character beyond being a ruthless, sociopathic, power-hungry tyrant, yet despite all her failings she nevertheless always being able to somehow come close to winning on too many occasions even when she has no rights, which BrutalityInc believes is mostly due to sheer dumb luck, Plot Armour or the heroes opposing her, in his eyes, being EVEN MORE inept and idiotic than she is. He has gone on record saying that the utterly inept Chrysalis portrayed in "The Mean Six" episode more or less summarizes exactly what he think of her. Nevertheless, out of respect for other writers and readers who liked her, he has tone down his bashing of her and given her credit where it's really due (e.g. legitimately defeating Cadence, an Alicorn, off-screen), as well as leaving the question of her competence ambiguous and open for the readers to decide both in-universe and out.
- BrutalityInc has also hinted he wrote the Changeling Court entries, which massively expands the Changelings from canon into a civilization that is much, MUCH larger and deeper than Chrysalis and her hive partly because he doesn't want a legitimately interesting race/culture with much story potential to be tainted by association with her. That's right, the creation of a significant part of the Codexverse is most likely motivated, in part, out of BrutalityInc's dislike for Chrysalis. And given Codex Equus BEGAN with the Changeling Courts entries, it's not inconceivable to think the entire thing wouldn't had got off the ground if he didn't despise her, his enmity serving as the foundation that the monument of creativity which is the Codexverse would be built upon.
- BrutalityInc also apparently have a thing against Card Carrying Villains who do things For the Evulz in general, disliking their lack of depth and/or disturbed by their characterization. Whenever he creates one - and he RARELY does - they always come off as stupid, insane, or otherwise pitiful, and those that either came from canon or are inspired by Evil-reveling Card-Carrying Villains from other sources, such as Cosmos, Temnobog and Surtr are written or rewritten to flesh out their personalities and motivations, either to make them deeply sympathetic or just to make them better villains. Otherwise, the absolute best a Card-Carrying Villain For the Evulz character can expect in entries written by BrutalityInc himself is probably a snide in-universe comment on their antics. He has admitted in the comments section of their entries that his entries on Temnobog and Surtr are done partly to experiment in making Card-Carrying Villains that are actually interesting. Temnobog in particular is designed specifically to subvert conventional character archetypes by making him a 'good' guy despite still being completely, unapologetically evil.
- Chrysalis from canon. BrutalityInc had admitted on multiple occasions to utterly loath her as a character, to the point he himself believes his hatred reaches irrational levels. These reasons stems seeing her as having completely failed to live up to her supposed cred as a master manipulator and The Chessmaster in canon by constantly making VERY idiotic mistakes, her lack of depth as a character beyond being a ruthless, sociopathic, power-hungry tyrant, yet despite all her failings she nevertheless always being able to somehow come close to winning on too many occasions even when she has no rights, which BrutalityInc believes is mostly due to sheer dumb luck, Plot Armour or the heroes opposing her, in his eyes, being EVEN MORE inept and idiotic than she is. He has gone on record saying that the utterly inept Chrysalis portrayed in "The Mean Six" episode more or less summarizes exactly what he think of her. Nevertheless, out of respect for other writers and readers who liked her, he has tone down his bashing of her and given her credit where it's really due (e.g. legitimately defeating Cadence, an Alicorn, off-screen), as well as leaving the question of her competence ambiguous and open for the readers to decide both in-universe and out.
- Infinity Train: Blossoming Trail
- Goh's an interesting case, since Goh himself isn't the problem: rather, it's the way the anime puts more focus on him than Chloe, treats his main traits as good things without seeing the flaws, and the bucket list of unintentional Double Standard regarding him and Chloe that's the issue. To give you an idea, Episode 29 was Chloe's second focus episode and neither she and Goh have a meaningful conversation until Episode 49.
- A more straightforward example would be Yeardley: his whole "my life's a work in progress" line brought the entire story into existence, as the author points out how much Double Standard he gets when he can give an open-ended answer while Chloe is harassed by everyone else about her career choices (more specifically, she follows her father's footsteps), and his counterpart here is turned into a mysoginistic bully that always gets what's coming to him by karma.
- Professor Cerise also gets the brunt of the author's anger because, at the time the story was written, it was easy to mistake the professor as being negligent on Chloe (and he doesn't start encouraging her until Episode 31). It gets to the point that the story tries to paint him treating Ash and Goh like they were his sons, despite them being his workers.
- Grace Monroe and Simon Laurent are also this to the author. On numerous occasions, the author has stated that while she likes how they are written, she hates both of them for the damage they caused and can't forgive them for their actions, which becomes much more apparent as the writing then goes to take any sympathetic traits they had and either changes them, gives them a darker twist, or outright remove them, all in the name of making them into arrogant sociopaths who only care about destruction. She states in Voyage of Wisteria that Grace got a slap on the wrist for everything she did and how the ending of Book 3 tried to sweep away most of the problems she made (particularly Grace doesn't bring up how they have been unintentionally hurting denizens for their amusement) and that Simon pretty much lost all chances of redemption after he murdered Tuba.
- Cross mentions in Cherry Prince and Princess a dislike of Parker shared with much of the readership. Orange Rose Gathering expands on this: Cross considers Parker the character he hates the most with a reason, the character he hates most for a petty reason is Hop, and while he doesn't hate her he does consider Mallow the verse's biggest idiot who made everything worse.
- The author of Ruby and Nora, BurningCinders, has stated that they don't have a high opinion of Atlas. As a result, various characters from that kingdom are given unflattering depictions.
- Jackie Chan Adventures: Olympian Journey: The authors make it perfectly clear in Chapter 15 that they don't like Drew at all, making a point of insulting him in the author's notes, having multiple other characters insult him within the story, and setting him up as an Arc Villain (via Aphrodite's essence), only to reveal that he's just a lackey.
- The author of The New Adventures of Invader Zim is very well known for his dislike of Gaz, due to viewing her as a one-dimensional and self-centered misanthrope, hence why she's made such a Hate Sink in this story. Though that said, he's also admitted that due to her canonical Character Development in the movie that came out since the story was first started, he's begun to have a more nuanced view of her and regrets writing her in such a way.
- The author of Code Prime said in an author’s note that the character he hated the most was Suzaku, due to his Black-and-White Insanity and his Never My Fault attitude, especially because of how he refused to take responsibility for the death of his father. For this, almost everyone in the cast from both Code Geass and Transformers: Prime, constantly call him out on it. Despite that, the author chose to fix Suzaku’s character arc rather than mercilessly thrash him around like a ragdoll.
- The author of Rainbow's Mental Scars
, greendogtheater
, has stated in the comment section that Fluttershy is his least favorite member of the Mane 6.
- The author of Another Side Sporting Hopefuls has admitted to not liking Byakuya Togami for his Smug Snake behavior, which "might" explain why not only his personality is made more blatant to the point of racism, but also why he becomes the first victim.
- My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic:
- The author of Danganronpa: In Harmony's Wake admits that she dislikes Timber Spruce. Unlike Flash Sentry, who she initially disliked for similar reasons but grew to enjoy, Timber Spruce just came off as skeevy for his interest in Sci-Twi, an under-aged client of his, believing he used his position of authority to bully her into being interested in him, and sees their relationship to be bad writing. So, that's why Timber became the first blackened of the story, and was shown to have made many stupid mistakes while carrying out his murder of Wallflower Blush, which eventually got him caught and brutally executed.
- The author of The Flash Sentry Chronicles has made it clear that when he adapts My Little Pony: Equestria Girls – Legend of Everfree (his least-favorite Equestria Girls movie) for the series, he plans to fix the "mistake" the film caused with the Ship Tease between Sci-Twi and Timber Spruce, admitting that he absolutely cannot stand Timber Spruce for getting in the way of Twilight and Flash (his favorite ship). In the actual story, Timber is depicted as a Jerkass who acts like a cool guy in front of all the campers, but he is actually self-centered and purposely tries to steal Sci-Twi away from Flash. Sci-Twi loses all her interest in him when he insults Flash to her face.
- The author of Highschool Dragon named Svengallop, Spoiled Rich and Prince Blueblood as his top 3 least-favorite characters which explains the latter's Adaptational Jerkass and The Mole in the fic.
- The author of Spike's Gambit really loves to crap all over Twilight Sparkle throughout the story. He goes out of his way to both villainize and victimize the poor girl at every chance he gets. He made a blog (Which has been deleted sometime ago) of how much he despised the character.
- The author of the The Savior King, the Master Tactician and the Queen of Liberation has made it no secret that she despises Edelgard, due to her inability to see other people's perspectives, her prejudices against the Nebateans, and of her refusal to take responsibility for her and her "allies" actions both in story, and in the Crimson Flower route. She did admit to feeling sorry about her when Odesse beat the shit out of Edelgard, and admitted that the scene was hard to write though.
The issue is there are many non-fanwork examples of writers inheriting characters from the series they didn't care for and bashing them. I asked here
and here
but got no consensus or feedback on what to do. Several of the Creators Pest entries or similar are still under the fanworks Trivia pages.
I intend to add back the entries (save those just about not liking characters in the original as opposed to how it effect how the fics author writes them) as, while I agree this should be something more than authors bashing character they don't like, I see nothing suggesting it's misuse as it's currently defined and have heard nothing on it being misuse despite repeatedly asking. (If it should be changed is for a cleanup.) Any objections to adding back or should the Trivia page examples be cut as well?
openThe Last of Us (2023) edit war
Yesterday, Tropers.Phanthom Singh added this entry to a recap page for The Last of Us (2023) (spoiler tag mine). tropers.eroock subsequently moved it to YMMV.The Last Of Us 2023 as it's a YMMV trope:
- Improved Second Attempt: In the game after Henry shot Sam, he kept pointing his Gun at Joel, muttering "What did you do?" and "It's all your fault!", insinuating that he blamed Joel for Sam turning and Joel tried to defend himself by stating that it was no one's fault, and it is a shocking subversion when Henry suddenly turn the Gun onto himself, showing that he was talking to himself. In this version of the scene (episode 5), he uses the first person ("What did I do?") throughout, making the scene much clearer.
By my understanding of the trope from skimming it's definition, Improved Second Attempt is for when something that was disliked or disappointing is redone by an adaptation or remake in a way that is better received by audiences. The original version of this scene is, to my knowledge, considered very good, so I removed it with the following edit reason:
However, PhanthomSingh subsequently restored it with the following edit reason (again, spoiler tags mine):
I took it to the "Is This An Example" thread to avoid a potential edit war and get clarification about the trope in question (a fair bit of this query is a copy-paste of that post), where eroock informed me that Singh had added the example in the first place, making this an edit war of sorts — which brings us here.
Edited by Dirtyblue929resolved Unspoilered context for spoilers Videogame
Pokémon Scarlet and Violet currently has an almost-entirely-white example for its Magnificent Bastard entry. It was not like that previously: I wrote part of it outside the spoilers to give context. For the record, here's what it was previously:
- Magnificent Bastard: The Final Bosses of the game caught many players off-guard for how ingenious they are: Professor Sada (in Scarlet) / Professor Turo (in Violet) was Arven's parent who discovered and utilized the Terastal phenomenon while exploring the Great Crater of Paldea. The Professor proceeded to use the Tera crystals to create a time machine with hopes of building a paradise for their family, using the machine to bring over Pokémon from the past/future, in spite of their threats to Paldea's ecosystem. Even with the Professor's untimely death as a result of their research, their numerous security systems and failsafes, including forcing their AI copy to battle any threat to the machine and, in the event that would fail, locking all Poké Balls except their own, would defend the time machine from the protagonist and their friends, demonstrating the Professor's willingness to allow the destruction of the region for the creation of paradise.
And here's what it looks like now:
- Magnificent Bastard: Professor Sada (in Scarlet) / Professor Turo (in Violet) was Arven's parent who discovered and utilized the Terastal phenomenon while exploring the Great Crater of Paldea. The Professor proceeded to use the Tera crystals to create a time machine with hopes of building a paradise for their family, using the machine to bring over Pokémon from the past/future, in spite of their threats to Paldea's ecosystem. Even with the Professor's untimely death as a result of their research, their numerous security systems and failsafes, including forcing their AI copy to battle any threat to the machine and, in the event that would fail, locking all Poké Balls except their own, would defend the time machine from the protagonist and their friends, demonstrating the Professor's willingness to allow the destruction of the region for the creation of paradise.
Shooting Star 7 X deleted the non-spoilered context, with the edit reason of "Plently of Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard writeups are completely spoilered out, and this addition would make no sense without spoiler markup (i.e. on Magnificent Bastard.Pokemon)."
I don't see the reasoning behind that. "Other examples also do this" isn't good justification; Self-Fulfilling Spoiler points out that fully-spoiled examples are bad writing. Also, "this wouldn't make sense if it wasn't a spoiler" doesn't work either, because the example is a spoiler, and it's not like my addition detracts from the example if it's read in its entirety without a spoiler — at least, in my opinion.
I asked ShootingStar7X in a PM, but they didn't respond to me. I also consulted Magnificent Bastard to see if there's a rule that all MB entries must be fully spoiled, and it doesn't say.
Am I clear to restore the edit I made previously?
openSelf-citation on YMMV?
This is a very old incident that I only noticed by chance — while browsing YMMV.Dead Rising 2 (I've been replaying the series recently) I noticed a zero-context What Do You Mean, It's Not Political? entry that just reads "At least one fan's essay says it's very much so. Here." with the last word linking to a blog that I recognized as Tropers.Charles Phipps' from his occasional sharing of it on the forums. Out of curiosity I checked the edit history and sure enough, Charles added that entry himself in 2012. Is that kosher?
Edited by Dirtyblue929openReally weird entry
- Executive Meddling: Many of their American distributors have not got along with Toei due to things such as preventing necessary edits to Digimon Tamers, or being forced to dub shows they don't want due to Blatant Lies (like 4Kids' dub of One Piece). They're also known for providing poor quality video masters to overseas distributors in the past. The only western distributor that gets along with them is FU Nimation due to their shared origins.
First this contradicts itself. Toei was perfectly happy with letting licensors censor their anime. If they didnt mind with One Piece (Which the entry even admits they forced upon 4kids) I doubt they would mind if they edited Digimon Tamers. And the grammar is kinda weird here.
The page this edit is from: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Creator/ToeiAnimation
open Consistent problematic behavior from user Ordeaux26
So, the user Ordeaux 26 has consistently had a problem with mini-modding around the site. He has regularly tried to dictate how others behave and claim that feelings on certain topics aren't valid or "following site rules." He most recently
responded to folks disagreeing with him on a topic by falsely claiming that site rules were being broken and attributing feelings of disagreement by other users to "culture problems."
Here is a case of him bluntly trying to shut down discussion on a topic
, only later trying to cover himself by misrepresenting site rules
.
He has also regularly said needlessly aggressive or offensive things that he then edited out of his comments after being called out so as to avoid proof of his rude behavior.
This is far from the first time Ordeaux has done things like this, tried to mini-mod the feelings of others, and has turned what would be simple debates over a topic into a heated, pages-long argument about site policy while being, frankly, needlessly rude, combative and aggressive. It has gone on for a long, long time and I, for one, am really frustrated with this. I truly don't know what else I could do but bring it to others' attention.
Edited by Ravok
Berserk Button: misusing Nightmare Fuel
openNRLEP examples in works based on real life
A while ago, I added an example of Unintentionally Unsympathetic to YMMV.Story Booth (a Web Animation show where people tell stories that supposedly really happened to them). This addition was based on comments that I saw many people make about that video. The example has since been removed, with the edit reason saying that "This is a real-life story, so this trope doesn't count."
I was under the impression that even if a trope is on No Real Life Examples, Please!, it can still be added to works inspired by real life, so long as it sticks to being about what's shown in the work itself. Otherwise, this would mean that documentaries and reality shows wouldn't be allowed to have these tropes listed.
If the deletion was justified, the page also lists Moral Event Horizon and The Woobie, which are also NRLEP, but which weren't removed by the editor who cut the UU example I added.

Troper Aldrine Joseph 25 added a Vindicated by History example to Shaggy & Scooby-Doo Get A Clue!, which fell into the usual "new thing is bad, so this makes bad thing from before better" trapping, regarding Velma. I deleted it alongside a justifying edit in the Audience-Alienating Era entry, since I haven't seen many Scooby-Doo fans falling back onto this series when there's dozen of other far more beloved works in the franchise that people put over Velma, such as Zombie Island, Mystery Incorporated and What's New, Scooby-Doo?.
aldrinejoseph doubled down on adding back the justifying edit to Audience-Alienating Era, calling Velma a monstrosity. I know the series is bad, but that seems way too harsh and at this point the entries seems agenda-ish, since they keep mentioning Velma while saying nothing about the series itself.
Edited by Edgar81539