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openSapphire and Steel Word of God Invoked Live Action TV
Paul A removed the "[invoked]" from the Distress Ball example where Word of God was mentioned on Sapphire and Steel, mistakenly thinking it was related to Invoked Tropes and not realizing it was to prevent the unsightly marker from appearing on the main page. I sent them a message explaining it, but they haven't responded and may not realize they had to re-add it themself. Can a mod please re-insert it, as if I did it myself I'd be edit warring?
Edited by NOYBopenWeirdly defensive addition to Character Perception Evolution
Sailor Punk Rock added the following to Mabel Pines' entry on Character Perception Evolution:
And here's the edit reason:
I can kind of see where Sailor's coming from, but I think that this bit should, at a bare minimum, be rewritten to read less like it's complaining about people not liking the character.
What do you guys think?
Edited by ImperialMajestyXOopen Disney Animated Canon rename? Western Animation
I’m wondering if we should rename “Disney Animated Canon” to “Disney Animated Classics”, since that’s what it’s referred to in the page image itself (and the term “canon” doesn’t appear to be universally used; Wikipedia doesn’t use it).
resolved Re-added Hilarious In Hindsight shoehorn in spite of cleanup Web Original
Near the end of April on the Hilarious in Hindsight page for Zero Punctuation, rundownforge50 added this sub-bullet
to an example that just happened to offhandedly mention Garry's Mod. I figured this seemed like a shoehorn since it didn't strike me as something which later context has made all that much more amusing or entirely relevant to the context given in the parent bullet, so I raised it to the Hindsight Cleanup thread
and was cleared to cut the example
.
Fast forward to today and I check the page's history since it's in my pinned pages list, and I notice that the same troper had added the same example back
the day before, with superficially altered wording that really doesn't help the example's case for being an example of Hilarious in Hindsight.
Speaking to the substance of the example itself, perhaps it would have been an example of Hilarious in Hindsight if the player model was one that Yahtzee himself created and/or frequently used, but a quick glance at the linked workshop page tells me that it isn't. So as far as I'm concerned, the example still seems like a shoehorn.
I won't say one way or another if the readding of the example is a breach of the Edit War policy, if only because the passage of time between the deletion and readding makes it unclear from my perspective. But I'm assuming, given the linked approval from the hindsight cleanup thread, that I'm still clear to cut the example?
Edited by Akriloth2160openGrammar Issues and Other Problems
Astropilgrim 1621 has a consistent issue with grammar, which can be seen both in their TLP comments
and in their normal edits
. I've sent them notifiers and have told them on the TLP itself that their grammar needs work, but they've not listened. The TLP examples are especially important here — On the wiki proper, Astro mostly just edits the media categories. It's on the TLP where their
poor
grammar
really
shines
through
.
Another TLP issue is that they often just show up demanding that certain things be "fixed", even if there's no active sponsor
, despite having been asked in the past to stop
.
I've also noticed bad indentation in a recent edit
, but I don't know if it's become a pattern yet. Notifier has been sent, though.
open Are these long quotes really necessary?
I have a question about these entries from The Critical Drinker:
- Writer on Board: He often accuses movies of being a "personal therapy session" for writers:
- One such example is when he simply compares the appearance of the misunderstood outcast teen daughter protagonist in I Am Not Starfire to her writer, and bursts out laughing at the similarities between them.
- He harshly criticizes Velma for this, accusing it as being nothing more than a Revenge Fic of sorts for the creators who he believes used the main characters as self-inserts:
"The thing that really struck me about Velma is the sheer bitterness and hatred that seems to radiate from it. You really get the sense that this is some kind of emotional colonic irrigation for the writers, like you're witnessing a whole liketime's worth of petty resentments, jealousy, personal grudges, and bitter regrets being vomited up onto the screen in front of you. I dunno if they had a really tough time in high school or something, but I can't shake the feeling that the whole thing is some kind of coping session against anyone who was more rich, more successful, more popular, or more attractive than them. Either way, the attempted humor in Velma just comes across as hateful and nasty instead of funny and insightful."
- He similarly describes Rey of the Disney Star Wars trilogy as being such a thing for Kathleen Kennedy.
"It's no secret at this point that Rey was very much Kathleen Kennedy's baby. Her ultimate vindication for all those coffees she had to make and all those notes she had to take down as a humble secretary in the early days. All those years of slowly working her way upwards, climbing the corporate ladder, being a woman in a man's world. Rey was the culmination of her own life experiences and world view. The perfect idealized vision of how she saw herself: strong, capable, resourceful, independent, supremely talented, and lacking all the flaws and weaknesses of her male counterparts, better than them in every measurable way, and the fact that the character was met with almost universal scorn and derision from the Star Wars fanbase was a thorn in her side that she was determined to pull out no matter how many movies and how much money it requires. You know it's kind of funny when you realize just how petty and immature these 'titans of the movie industry' actually are."
- He accuses Kathleen Kennedy of this again for with Helena from Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny describing the character as "yet another addition to the growing lineup of brunette, British, flawless, idealized Kathleen Kennedy self-inserts that are better than their aging male counterparts in every possible way".
"Jesus Christ, and they talk about the male ego!
Are the quotes necessary? Like if we removed them they would be fine expect them Star Wars one which doesn't really explain this trope in my opinion.
Edited by BullmanopenPossibly-imminent Edit War in YMMV/LimbusCompany Videogame
Happening in Limbus Company
Edit by me
, on the Good Bad Bugs entry, i changed it from:
- When part 3 of Canto IV came out, there was a bug where Sloth and Wrath Power Up, instead of increasing the respective sin's power by 1 per stack, would increase their damage by 100% per stack instead. This, particularly combined with Yi Sang's already powerful Sunshower EGO and synergystic Spicebush ID, resulted in Yi Sang being able to completely decimate waves by himself and casually deal 4-digit damage to Abnormalities with multiple parts.
to:
- When part 3 of Canto IV came out, there was a bug where Sloth and Wrath Power Up, instead of increasing the respective sin's power by 1 per stack, would increase their damage by 100 per stack instead. This, particularly combined with Yi Sang's already powerful Sunshower EGO and synergystic Spicebush ID, resulted in Yi Sang being able to completely decimate waves by himself and casually deal 4-digit damage to Abnormalities with multiple parts.
Dat Boi 10 changed the edit back to
:
- When part 3 of Canto IV came out, there was a bug where Sloth and Wrath Power Up, instead of increasing the respective sin's power by 1 per stack, would increase their damage by 100% per stack instead. This, particularly combined with Yi Sang's already powerful Sunshower EGO and synergystic Spicebush ID, resulted in Yi Sang being able to completely decimate waves by himself and casually deal 4-digit damage to Abnormalities with multiple parts.
Which has the major problem of "100%" being equal to a multiplier of 1, basically saying it increases the sin power damage by 1 per stack, when the bug is about the power increase being more like 100 times because of said bug.
I feel like the other editor misunderstood what "100%" would actually mean in a mathematical context, and i'd like the misunderstanding to be cleared up for them before an Edit War breaks out.
Edited by SomeLibreopen TooBleakStoppedCaring deletions
Kamon The Skunk has been deleting lots of examples this trope under the rational that the work was financially successful therefore people liked it. I feel like this should be obvious, but just because a work is financially successful doesn't mean people liked it. You can complain about something you paid for, and something can be financially successful for other reasons (you really like the director; it wasn't as despair inducing in the beginning and has a huge built in fanbase as a result of the goodwill).
Now some of them probably should be edited or deleted for other reasons anyway, but the edit reason itself is suspect.
Edited by jjjj2
F1 the MS Office robo-assistant
openPossible edit war on YMMV/Elements of Justice
Camilla is possibly edit warring on Elements of Justice on the Jerks Are Worse Than Villains entry over whether Diamond Tiara is the one responsible for everything that happened in "Crusading for a Turnabout" or not.
Here's the outline:
- The Jerks Are Worse Than Villains entry was initially added by Camilla on May 28, 2023
.
- The next day, the part of the entry that said Diamond Tiara was indirectly responsible for the victim's death was deleted
by Big Klingy.
- On July 7th, 2023, Camilla added the part about Diamond Tiara being the one responsible for the entire case back
, albeit worded differently.
The reason I say that she is "possibly" edit warring is because I'm not sure if it counts as one if the re-added part is worded differently than the first time, albeit still being essentially the same thing.
I should also point out that Camilla's obsession with Diamond Tiara being responsible for all the events of "Crusading for a Turnabout" has been brought up before on the complaining cleanup thread
, and by Big Klingy themself no less.
openRemoving Instances of Fan Nickname to Refer to a Character Film
Looks like Film.Warrior Of The Lost World and its sub-pages are littered with references to the title character played by Robert Ginty who has No Name Given in the movie and credited as "The Rider" as "The Paper Chase Guy" as he's called in the MST3K episode that covers the film.
Should the instances of "Paper Chase Guy" be changed to "The Rider" to keep the movie page itself self-contained and consistent while adding a Fan Nickname to its YMMV?
openIndexing literature with authors
If you want to index literature on a specific category, i.e Japanese Literature, and the author of the book is listed as one of the authors with a Creator page, are you still supposed to put the book itself in the index, or is that only for books whose author is not listed?
openI noticed something strange (a glitch maybe?)
For some reason, when I was adding tropes, I finished and noticed that the trope I put in doesn't become a redirect to the trope itself, but it instead appears the way I typed it.
For example, when I put in Art Shift, it got displayed as [[Art Shift.]]
Is this a bug, or did I type something wrong?
openself demonstrating
I've been wondering to myself if Master Tigress from Kung Fu Panda, would be able to get a self demonstrating page of her own. I just think it might be fair for her to tell us her stories. Would she get one?
Edited by DrDragster688openProblematic/insulting edits.
Sola 001 made these edits to Anvilicious under YMMV.Star Trek Picard:
- Added to portrayal of the Confederation "much like contemporary First World countries and how they built themselves upon the exploitation of Global South and oppression of anyone who is different or dare to dissident" and "just like how USA still celebrates Independence Day and Thanksgiving despite the historical genocide and continued oppression they commited against natives of the Land."
- Changed "climate change" to "climate crisis" (wouldn't see this as a big issue if not for the other stuff).
- Replaced "if you don't know or don't care about American political issues, this episode may come off as confusing or uninteresting" with "if you don't know or don't care about basic human rights, this episode may come off as triggering and offensive to fragile and selfish snowflakes who is crying as they watched this". (The old version seems suspect in retrospect, but this edit is directly insulting audiences.)
I intend to revert. Any objections or anything to deal with first?
openFFVIII Hyne fanon Videogame
Since this was from 2017, I figured this was a better route than trying to PM—but back then I added a Fanon entry under Final Fantasy VIII's YMMV page describing the phenomenon of ficcers having characters use "Hyne" as a standard bit of blasphemy (e.g. someone yelling "Hynedammit" instead of "goddammit") even though nobody speaks this way in the game itself—instead, they just use God the same way people in Real Life who are agitated, surprised, and/or upset would shout God. This was removed from the game's YMMV page a little while later with no edit reason, although it's still on the overal Final Fantasy page. I only noticed it now but since it would still technically constitute an Edit War, I wanted to bring it up before re-adding it.
openCommon misconceptions listed as Real Life examples
In the Real Life example section of tropes, sometimes examples are listed only to be immediately followed by "but actually that's a common misconception, and not really true".
Take the entire Real Life folder of Draw Sword, Draw Blood:
- Although a popular legend states that a Gurkha "never sheathes his blade without first drawing blood" this is in fact untrue, and the kukri is most commonly employed as a multi-use utility tool rather like a machete. There is no requirement to prick yourself or anyone else before sheathing the blade. However there have been instances of Gurkhas slicing their fingers with it as a practical joke to impress outsiders with their ferocity. It's also been theorized that the "must taste blood" was something that annoyed Gurkhas started telling tourists, to make them stop asking to see the kukris.
- Many Sikhs carry a small steel knife known as a kirpan, as a reminder and a means to protect the innocent from harm. Periodically this has to be taken out and sharpened, but as the blade supposedly cannot be unsheathed unless it is to draw blood, the sharpener supposedly has to nick a thumb or finger with it before putting it away. This, too is a myth.
In reality, while the kirpan is a holy symbol that should only be drawn either for maintenance, to defend oneself or another, or to cut the prasad (a religious offering of food), drawing blood is not necessary.
- Ditto samurai. While some Japanese folklore features the trope, e.g. the Hungry Weapon legend surrounding the swords forged by 16th century smith Muramasa Sengo, real-life samurai were as aware of the safety issues as the Gurkhas and Sikhs
.
These all seem to just be UrbanLegends about these groups (Samurai, Sikhs) rather than the real trope. Should they be removed?
Edited by LB7979openPassive-aggressive editing
Hello. I've noticed some questionable edits that troper Ymirsdaughter has been making to Perverse Sexual Lust. They clearly have an agenda to get the trope renamed, which is not a bad thing in and of itself - I myself would like to see it renamed - but their approach to this is to edit passive-aggressive remarks about the current name into the page description and their own Troper page. Is there a policy for dealing with this type of behaviour?
Edited by mr_copenIs It Okay to Create a Page About ChatGPT? Web Original
The year 2023 is now the year of A.I., especially ChatGPT and AI Generated Artwork.
If it's okay to make, we could make it self-demonstrative, like so:
TropeGPT: Sure! Here's a page about ChatGPT on TV Tropes.
The Laconic page can also be self-demonstrative too:
A chatbot developed by OpenAI that can write whatever the user asks.
- Troper: How do I go back to the unabridged version?
TropeGPT: Here's a link that will take you back to the unabridged version.
Edited by Oxyrhynchus

Are there standard ways to organize voice actors/actresses?
I've noticed a few different styles, and I was wondering if it was up to the editors of the page(s) to make their best guess, or is there some policy they were supposed to follow.
Here's some different samplings I can find.
From Characters.One Piece Monkey D Luffy
Voiced by: Urara Takano [OVA], Mayumi Tanaka [TV series onwards] (Japanese); Colleen Clinkenbeard [Funimation dub], Erica Schroedernote [4Kids dub], Chuck Powers [Odex dub] (English)note
From Characters.Mega Man Classic Robot Masters NES, folder for DLN.003 Cut Man:
With Luffy, does the "(Japanese)" apply to the OVA and the TV series? or just the TV Series? (I'm aware I could look it up. I'm looking for the text to communicate the information without that for myself and others)
With Cut Man, it doesn't have the three exclamation points that many other characters has.
Edited by bud0011