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openCompletely forgot to announce intent to launch a trope
Jumped the gun on the trope Protection in Mouth once three days had passed, without bothering to follow the rule that said indicate intent to launch. Did I screw myself over, does it need to be deleted? Or can it simply be axed and put back on launchpad?
open Are Kyle and Korey from Being Ian the "Manly man and Sensitive guy" duo of their TV show?
Kyle: He's the oldest brother out of the three siblings, Korey, Ian, and himself. He is laid-back, lazy, and serves as a “Big Brother Bully” and an "Aloof Big Brother" to Ian and on occasion Korey. He's very very smart, but doesn't act that way because he he is self-conscious about his status as one of the cool popular kids. He's obsessed with girls and acts like a casanova towards them. Kyle's main interests are razzing his brothers and pursuing the opposite sex. He will readily chase any attractive female that catches his attention, but these advances usually end in rejection. He is always into girls and has a dirty mind set. When it comes to his brothers, he's aggressive towards them when he bullies them.
Korey: He is very eccentric and not even his own family understands him much of the time. He is also implied to be quite private. Caught in the middle of his two brothers, Korey combines Ian's niceness and sensitivity with Kyle's laziness and antagonism. He is a bit naive and sweet, but always willing to help his brothers out of a pinch, He can be the “Baby of the Bunch”. Ian seems to have a better relationship with Korey, overall, than he has with Kyle. He has a high pitched voice as well, especially compared to Kyle. In the episode "Bad Day at White Rock", Korey is rescued by a girl named Andrea. She proves to be something of a tomboy (Not at Level of Sandi) and shares a lot of his interests. The two get along famously and Korey develops an obvious crush on her, on the way back home even dreaming of her as he sleeps. He also gets flustered when Ian calls her his girlfriend, after the pair 'rescue' him. He is also a little shy and naive when it comes to love.
opennew troper with seeming fetish-motivated editing
All of Summerhouse's limited number of edits seem to revolve around nude scenes in some way (particularly the Spider-Man 3 scene where Spidey pulls the Venom suit off himself in the bell tower), and they also posted a negative-effort TLP draft called Symbolic nudity
. Got me scratchin' my head.
open Are me and my friend a real life example of the Tomboy and Girly Girl duo?
My friend: She doesn't wear any makeup, has a short boyish haircut, and wears clothes like T-shirts, jeans, pants, and sweatshirts. She also doesn't wear nail polish or get her nails done. Although, I've seen her wear a dress to prom once when I saw her there.
Me: I wear makeup (mascara, lipgloss, blush) almost every day, if not all the time. I have my nails manicured all the time as I enjoy pampering myself by doing my own nails every 2 weeks, I wear blouses, jeans, dresses, and skirts as my choice of clothing. I love doing my hair and giving myself blowouts before going to school. I also love love, LOVE going shopping especially for cute clothes, cosmetics, cute shoes, perfume, and getting boba. My favorite color is pink and honestly I would get anything that is pink and has bows on it.
The only difference is our personalities. She is a Genki Girl while I am more like an Ice Queen, or an Aloof Dark Haired girl.
openCharacter Perception possible misuse.
These Character Perception Evolution entries are possible misuse as they fail to explain if/how the popularity of their portrayals before that change was effected.
- Back when Kingdom Hearts II initially released, Roxas was a major Base-Breaking Character due to the games' infamous Prolonged Prologue at the beginning. Roxas was considered to be a less interesting and appealing character compared to Sora, his storyline was accused of being full of melodrama and wangst (the scene of him smashing DiZ's computer and later screaming at him were often cited as reasons to make fun of the game), and most players were unhappy that Roxas took the focus away from Sora or any of the Disney characters. These days, Roxas is considered to be one of the most beloved characters in the fandom (thanks in part to games like Kingdom Hearts II: Final Mix and 358/2 Days fleshing out his character more) due to his more mature and serious personality, in contrast to Sora. His backstory is also considered to be one of the most tragic in the fandom and fans are more likely to feel bad for the trauma that he had to endure. Word of God has even stated that the popularity of Roxas was the entire reason that he returned in Kingdom Hearts III and was finally given a happy ending. Sound like it's a valid retroactive shift, but not sure how to state it here.
- Master Xehanort, who upon the release of Birth by Sleep, was praised as the best villain in the series due to his Affably Evil demeanor, his massive Xanatos Gambit pulled over the course of the game, having a The Chessmaster role that directly tied into the at the time widely anticipated Kingdom Hearts III, and amazing performances by both Chikao Ohtsuka and Leonard Nimoy. However, in recent years, it is easy to find fans calling him out for being indirectly responsible for the infamous Kudzu Plot, often criticized for being an Invincible Villain, and contributing to several Retcons and Ass Pulls. His reception was soured even further after the release of Kingdom Hearts III and Dark Road, both of which attempted to paint Xehanort in a sympathetic light to varying degrees. The former revealed that he was actually a Well-Intentioned Extremist who detested the darkness all along and was attempting to restore balance by wiping out the world and starting anew. Many fans called this out for being a large Motive Decay that largely contradicted his characterization in games prior. The latter game would reveal that Xehanort had been manipulated during his adolescence and was driven to becoming a villain due to the death of his friends pushing him down that path, which some fans found to be a poor Freudian Excuse that attempted to rationalize his actions and make him more sympathetic. Fairly certain this is misuse as just complaining about their later portrayals as opposed to prior ones being re-revaulated, but asking here to be sure.
- Steven Universe: When the late Rose Quartz was first introduced, the fanbase fell in love with her. This was thanks in part to her chemistry with Greg, her formation of the Crystal Gem Rebellion to save earth, and her encouraging Pearl and Garnet to be themselves, the former of whom she had a romantic subplot with. However, as the show went on, many both in-universe and out of universe learned about her character flaws. In particular, her views on humans were shown to be much more condescending than originally thought, she was implied to have left Pearl for Greg without considering her feelings, and she poofed Bismuth and left her trapped for eons in the bubble without telling anyone, a situation that was morally grey at best. But what really changed many people's opinion on her was the revelation that she was Pink Diamond the whole time, Pearl was her slave, and her faking her shattering lead to the corruption of all Gems on Earth and the creation of the Cluster in an attempt to destroy the planet outright. This caused many to turn on her, viewing her as a selfish individual whose irresponsibility, poor decisions and numerous mistakes overshadow any good she might have done. On the other hand, many defenders remained, pointing out her more positive traits, such as her genuine love of Steven despite never getting to meet him, as well as hints that she genuinely regretted some of her actions during the war. As a result, she became one of the most polarizing characters in the entire series; though even her die hard fans view her as a severely flawed individual at best. Fails to explain the retroactive change but it does seem likely the case. My question is does it count if the change was 100% intentional by the work? And is In-Universe Broken Pedestal instead as IU CPE would mean Show Within a Show?
openOf crosswicking for The Movie of a series Film
So, I recently made individual pages for both BoBoiBoy movies, BoBoiBoy: The Movie and BoBoiBoy Movie 2, and am gradually crosswicking them.
Let's say there's occurrences of the same trope both in the original series and in a movie. Should the latter's example be a sub-bullet of the former on the trope page? Or should the movie's examples go in the appropriate Film folder?
Example: Height Insult has 3 examples from BBB, 2 of which are from movies, but I was hesitant to move the two movie examples to the "Films - Animated" folder, which I now think would be appropriate since I moved those sub-bullets for that trope example to the respective movie pages
from the BoBoiBoy page itself.
A different example: Mourning a Dead Robot has two BBB examples, one from the series and one from the movie. I haven't edited it recently yet to correct the wick, but I'm uncertain if I should leave the movie example in its current position or move it to the "Films - Animated" folder.
I lean towards separating show examples from movie examples in crosswicking unless they have information that cross-references each other. But I'd like to get more feedback please. Thank you.
openWonky/weasel edits by previously suspended user spread out over time
On the "Is this an example?" forum I had asked
about a user named CorvusIX
making an edit on the Total Drama Unintentionally Unsympathetic page that seemed to contradict the edit reason they provided for removing it in the first place. I had remembered seeing a post specifically by them on ATT about restoring an edit that had tons of elaboration so it didn't really seem that unusual. However when I searched their name the post didn't show up, and apparently, in addition to getting suspended due to these circumstances
, there have been at least two other cases
of edit warring
that CorvusIX had started dating back to two years ago. It had apparently gotten bad enough that in the first cited instance of this happening someone suggested that they were going out of their way to do this, which in and of itself implies this wasn't an isolated incident even before then. On top of that some of their non-warring edits go beyond Weasel Words and seem
to rely heavily on assumptions
that can be traced
to Fan Myopia. Since instances of both edit warring and the Weasel Words/Fan Myopia + wonks + misinformation seem really sporadic (I haven't found instances of any of that concoction the second page of their edit history) it really seems like they're doing this to try and make biased edits undetected, but I can't say I'm 100% sure since (as I mentioned) I can't always go by anything more than a couple implications. Thoughts?
openWeird trivia entry
This Star-Derailing Role entry was added nearly three weeks ago
onto Trivia.Inception:
- Star-Derailing Role: Despite the film's critical and commerical success, Elliot Page's performance in the film was not well-received and was lackluster despite the rest of the cast's performances was well-received. Shortly after the film, Elliot's film career took a major nosedive. His career when he starred in the critically panned remake Flatliners and since then reprised his role as Kitty Pryde in X-Men: Days of Future Past and starred in the Netflix series The Umbrella Academy, His reputation got even when had a gender change in 2020 changing his name from Ellen Page to Elliot Page, While he's still got success in his career on streaming television. He hasn't acted in a film up until 2023.
I wanted to bring this up into Remove Complaining because I'm not sure if its a derailing role (Page's Wikipedia page calls 2015-present "career fluctuations"), but the entry seems to mention his career improving on streaming television, and the entry itself is poorly-written that I'm not sure what's complaining and what's not.
Any thoughts?
open Potential complaining in YMMV of Do You Love Your Mom and Her Two-Hit Multi-Target Attacks? Literature
I had a look at the YMMV section of Do You Love Your Mom and Her Two-Hit Multi-Target Attacks? and the They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot entry seems more complaining about the premise than any neglected plot points.
* They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot: The very idea of exploring an Isekai setting based in an MMORPG is nothing new, but has the potential to be extremely deep and rich if the lore and write-up is done right. The actual novel itself, though, only seems to rely on the game as an excuse as to why the players are there fighting the monsters as they are. There is no exploration of the game mechanics, how players interact with them and the bearings they have on the plot at large à la Sword Art Online, and actual story content is threadbare and disjointed. It doesn't even really work as a game setting, as games have to have rules and balancing if they're to be fair and believable, while gameplay in the story is deliberately designed poorly to favor a subset of players for no discernible reason than a gag, which is the deconstruction of isekai protagonists being The Ace. Nothing would have changed plot-wise had all of the game-related aspects been removed, as their presence in the story is just fluff. In fact, removing the constraints of a game setting would give the author even more leg room to wiggle without breaking the audience's Willing Suspension of Disbelief, since it still has the makings of a standard isekai plot.Wanted input on what to do rather than get gung ho about deleting the example.
EDIT: Noticed the appropriate thread. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16509479720A72263400&page=1
Best just close this already.
openAm I in trouble for edit warring?
In the following entry on Solo Mission Becomes Group Mission, I initially added the quoted coma in the example for the first Trolls movie to make it match how it's written in the work/franchise pages, thinking that I forgot to put a punctuation in the example back when I first suggested it to the trope's TLP draft.
- In the first movie, Poppy was willing to go on a trip to Bergen Town on her own to rescue her friends, even though she asked Branch for help before. Branch rejected the offer at first''',''' but eventually joins her because he believes she wouldn't make it on her own due to her lack of skills (as well as Poppy sending the rest of the Trolls into his survival bunker basically forcing him to get out of it).
However, I then decided to remove the comma to leave it like this:
- In the first movie, Poppy was willing to go on a trip to Bergen Town on her own to rescue her friends, even though she asked Branch for help before. Branch rejected the offer at first but eventually joins her because he believes she wouldn't make it on her own due to her lack of skills (as well as Poppy sending the rest of the Trolls into his survival bunker basically forcing him to get out of it).
The reason is because, as I looked through the page's history (which is rather short, since it only had few edits since it was first created), I realized I already added the comma over a year ago (circa January 1st, 2022) just as the trope was launched, but then MovieNut14 removed the comma as part of a grammar cleanup. Honestly, I was getting paranoid that I was starting a very slow-paced Edit War.
However, I don't know if the circumstances warrant it to be an edit war like how I was previously suspended for re-doing an edit of mine previously removed by someone else after several months in Nightmare Fuel.Saw II. I was also briefly suspended another time because of a brief miscommunication on PM with Random Troper 123 that made me re-do a removal of a spoiler tag on The Devil's folder in Cuphead - Main Characters to make it match with the content that's spoiler-tagged (which RandomTroper once reverted); of course, the miscommunication circumstance allowed this suspension to be lifted from me because I was following the Edit War policy's recommendations otherwise. The latter's events are covered between these
two
ATT queries, plus these
three
comments
at the "Would like to edit again" forum thread (after which I followed Synchronicity's word to start this Short-Term Project thread
that hasn't had much activity — I did it on that thread because I didn't think it'd fit on Wiki Talk, due to the fact that there are no work-specific cleanup threads there).
Can my brief edits be considered an Edit War, even if the latest edit happened more than a year after the previous ones (a much longer time gap than the few months with my first edit war problem), the thing that I changed was very small, and then I quickly reverted it myself when I realized what I did? I already know well about the wiki's edit war policy and how I can communicate with others to avoid an edit war, but I'm quite paranoid at times with my edits because I don't always remember everything that I edited on a page, and I get worried that I could unintentionally start an edit war at any time (just like what may have happened right now).
Seeing that MovieNut14 is still active, I sent them a PM to notify them about this query and let them give their own opinion regarding this issue.
Edited by Inky100openQuestion about Fic Recs Western Animation
I'm pretty sure the answer to this is no, but am I allowed to recommend a fic I myself have written? I've always thought it was no and thought it said that somewhere on the fic page, but I can't find it.
resolved Defictionalized Recipes
I was thinking of putting something into the TLP that involved taking food from fictional media and making it real, sharing recipes of said food. I'd either mark it as either just for fun or ymmv as the intent is to share recipes for fictional dishes so that they can be made for real.
I don't exactly have any recipes I made up myself, and I am sure adding recipes from other sites and even cookbooks would be nothing more than plagiarism. I am also trying to determine the best way to format recipes. As such, how should I go about this?
openConcerns regarding erroneous SubTrope examples ?
Lately I’ve been noticing Hate Sink page has added multiple Sub Tropes to it as it’s a Super-Trope. However multiple Sub-Trope examples are put there in error.
As I brought up on the Hate Sink Cleanup Thread, the Hate Sink Sub-Trope list contains multiple examples that do not ‘’strictly'' branch off from being a Hate Sink, as per the definition of Sub Tropes.
Instead most of the "Sub Tropes" on that list are tropes that can apply to Hate Sink characters, but not strictly tied to the trope itself. From what I’ve seen, the list was made without knowing what Sub-Trope is.
I have brought these concerns onto the cleanup thread itself – three times – the past couple of months. Whenever it is brought up a few tropers agreed with my assessment, but discussions fizzled out without reaching a final conclusion or consensus.
Having brought the issue up a few times, I didn’t want to start a Single-Issue Wonk. I have been wondering if I should bring the matter up to Trope Talk or some other discussion threads. But before I do so, I thought I should consult the mods for what to do with this matter.
Edited by MacronNotesopenRemoving a page redirect Live Action TV
I'm currently working on reworking the Giant Robo page into mediums (i.e. manga for the manga, series for the Toku show, anime for the OVA) instead of clumping every entry on one page. However, the current page for Giant Robo is a redirect to Giant Robo. I don't know how/if I can remove the redirect by myself. Is there a way I can do this, or is mod interference needed?
openHow to handle sensitive topics regarding Kanye West audience reaction pages?
So I noticed that after a long stint of being locked due to rampant vandalism, Kanye West pages have been unlocked, and I think now's a good a time as any to question: what's the degree to which discussion on Kanye's life should be mentioned before it becomes inherently uncivil? Normally I wouldn't question this at all because duh, no real-life troping, but Kanye West is in a bit of a unique situation since a heavily significant portion of his music is autobiographical, often addressing the controversies and scandals he's in as they were happening.
I was considering adding a Harsher in Hindsight entry about how much of his post-808s and Heartbreak music being marked by his self-confessed emotional and mental collapse seems especially uncomfortable after 2022, where by all accounts (from tabloid drama to his actual new music) indicates he's pretty much gone off the rails. For specificity's sake (as well as focusing primarily on the music as an axis of discussion), the 2018 album ye entirely hinges around his anxieties following his then-recent diagnosis with bipolar disorder (as just one bit from that album, "Yikes" expresses worry that he won't be able to control himself in another public controversy) and trying to find peace for the future, which seems especially depressing since nowadays he's proudly refusing his meds and doing far grosser and more irresponsible things that have really wrecked his mainstream profile, as well as making music where he's continuing his autobiographical slant by espousing his conspiracy theory mindset and disturbingly violent and hateful thoughts. Even if not just documenting that comprehensively, there's some individual moments like in 2007's "Flashing Lights" with the line "I hate these [n-word] more than a [naz-word]" that are wince-inducing now in their own right.
If it comes down to it, I'm ok with simply not writing anything down addressing the elephant in the room, because while I trust in my ability to document it as civilly as possible, I don't want to enable the floodgates for more vandalism regarding his behavior and stinking up the pages again. In general, I'm wondering what the stance is on regarding the limits to how much his personal history is allowed to matter when it comes to his art, because the things I think are most controversial about him sadly do occupy a gray space thanks to Kanye's approach as both "provider of art" and "himself a living artpiece". Any specific thoughts on what's okay or not okay to talk about?
Edited by number9roboticopen 80s Horror/possession TV (mini?) series/film Live Action TV
Right! A little obscure here. 80's British TV show/mini-series/film about a possessed teenage girl. Set in a pretty normal urban British household. Myself and my sister both remember so I know I didn't dream it 😁. I only really remember one scene, the mother comes into the bedroom and the daughter is twisted into a weird pose with a scissors stuck in her shoulder/chest/clavicle. It's wrecking our heads for years here as all both of us can remember is that scene. I've tried many different Google searches and come up with nothing.
I know it's not: Hammer House of Horror/Mystery, Tales of the Unexpected, Dramarama, Ghostwatch, Moondial, Dead of Night.
Cheers

So, it's moreso related to Moral Event Horizon but I feel like it's being misused on this page so if someone could maybe take a look, that would be great. I'd do it myself but I'd rather not get fingered if I'm in the wrong here.