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resolved Dethroning Moment About Rae Mills
From DethroningMoment.Web Original:
- JEFFWONTLEAVE: I personally think that commentary videos get a bad rep nowadays. They have drastically improved from what they were back in 2011 with much more insight and humor. One prime example of this is Rae Mills, considered by many to be the best one out there. Which makes her DMOS, Response to Mr Enter
even more painful. The video itself could have been better if it was worked into a main commentary on her channel or People who did the B.O.P commentary on Mr.Enter's troll video did the response, but instead it's just a lazy response that come's across as filler for a Massive Multiplayer Crossover channel. But the main issue I had with this video that turned it From Bad to Worse was the last 3 minutes where she tries to come across as The Last DJ who is trying to help save the poor misinformed fans of this horrible person who made a video she hated on youtube instead turned the entire response to a very mean-spirited, arrogant and completely uncalled for rant about Mr.enter. For someone who is well known for being very well reasonable and yet still blunt and to the point, this seemed completely out of character for her and added nothing of value to the commentary. As a person who hated that troll video as much as, if not more so then her, I was completely furious with this video and was considering just giving up on the commentary community all over again, but I decided to give her one more shot and she did win me back. But I'm still not forgiving her for that train wreck any time soon.
For those unaware, Rae has been the subject of quite the bit of controversy since this entry was written (I'd rather not get into it myself). For that reason, I'm wondering what, if anything, should be done with this entry, or if nothing about it should be done. What do you guys think?
Edited by JHD0919resolved Unsure about possible sockpuppet (RESOLVED)
This troper's issues haven't gone totally unnoticed, given they've repeatedly
had to have
contentious edits fixed
, but long story short is this: SGC487336 has a history of making misplaced unilateral edits like these
ones
, tends to misuse/misapply Hate Sink as an excuse to wonk
, has wildly inconsistent grammar (compare this edit
to this one
) and in general just has a lot of customs violations. I sent them a notifier about the Eddsworld change on October 23rd that they never responded to.
The reason I'm considering that this might be Kissinger 113 is due to the account being created less than two days after the interim of their second
suspension
, with their (SGC's) first edit being:
- Arch-Enemy: Chandler becomes Lincoln's Arch-Nemesis since "The Waiting Game", "Schooled!", and for the rest of the episodes.
- Big Bad: Becomes the main antagonist of The Loud House series.
- Faux Affably Evil: Be careful, Chandler pretends to be nice and polite to Lincoln and his friends until he becomes aggressive and hateful character.
This was back when they had a more consistent writing style, with one of Kissinger's final edits being rather similar to both this and the second Helluva Boss entry linked above:
- Red Herring: Lori initially paints Carol out to be an insufferable Alpha Bitch who strives to steal her thunder, though it's subverted when it's revealed that Carol isn't that different from Lori and in fact possesses similarly leveled insecurities about Lori's accomplishments.
Admittedly, this isn't enough proof in and of itself, but given how active they both were on The Loud House pages, that one Eddsworld change where they merely made a cut-and-paste copy of the then-current What Could Have Been list without getting rid of the latter (which seems like on-site plagiarism, as opposed to Kissinger's being off-site) and the fact that Kissinger seems to have written this entry on TLH's now-deleted
Surprisingly Realistic Outcome page according to their edit history, something that was laden with stretches, ZCE's and some wonks (all of SGC's biggest problems with writing entries in a nutshell) I'm still suspicious about all this.
E: Resolved now; thanks Gaston.
Edited by CoachpillopenMisplaced IKnewIt Entry? Web Original
In Trivia.Cell Spex, I Knew It! is now YMMV, but it's about CellSpex herself accurately predicting a meme. Should it still be moved to the YMMV page?
resolved Possible edit war, spoilers on headers Videogame
Yuusha Fan has added a spoiler tag
on a header in this character page. I removed the tag
and then he added back in anyways
. The thing he added is literally a big time spoiler. Also there is no edit reasons, already DMed him about it. Can I undo that thing? I've already undid it once and I do not want to risk an edit war myself.
resolved Possible unnecessary labelnotes
I found these labelnotes on Characters.Trails Series Calvard Arkride Solutions Office which seems unnecessary to me.
- Dude Looks Like a Lady: His face appearance is apparently androgynous enough that some people, such as Van, can't tell if he's supposed to be a boy or a girl, to his displeasure
◊. Though interestingly, Aaron and Feri actually question how Van could make that kind of mistake.Explanation While they (including Quatre himself) acknowledge that such a mistake would be somewhat plausible from a distance, Van made this mistake while face-to-face with Quatre.
- Kuro II reveals that Quatre is actually a Hermaphrodite due to the experiments he suffered at the D∴G Cult's hands, which explains Van's confusion. Explanation Van's sharper sense likely made him notice something is off about Quatre
I want to reword it but I'm afraid of making a mistake. Any other thoughts?
resolved Verifiable source for character name? Film
The Characters/SonysSpiderManUniverse page gives the name "Corinne Wan" for the Malaysian EMT that the Riot symbiote takes over in Venom, but to my knowledge her name is unrevealed in the film itself (she has a name-tag but I personally can't make it out) and Michelle Lee is only credited as "Malaysia EMT/Riot Host".
I checked the edit history for the page and the editor who added it cites the SSU wiki as their source, which doesn't provide any sources for that being her name... so is there an official reliable source for the EMT's name being Corinne Wan?
EDIT: Her nametag does say Corinne Wan, but it's hard to make out since her full name is only briefly visible at the beginning of the movie.
Edited by Arawn999resolved Anti-character bias?
On Super Mario Bros., Oneperson 323 removed Princess Daisy from the listed female characters in Action Girl, without explaining why in the edit reason. I reverted the edit and sent them an Edit Reason notifier. Normally, I would have deemed the problem solved and moved on.
Except, unfortunately, I spoted this edit
where they threw a gratuitous jab at Daisy in the caption of an image (and I've just noticed that they also changed the image itself, despite having been suspended beforehand for doing unapproved image changes, also on a Mario-related page)
I'm afraid this troper's personal gripes against the character are being reflected on their edits.
EDIT: Punctuation fix.
EDIT : Spotted another problematic edit, where they deleted Princess Daisy's example
in ActionGirl.Video Games
openIs this an Edit War?
Awhile back I reported Samazing 91 for edit warring
by re-adding a second bullet to an Unintentionally Sympathetic on YMMV.Landry Series here
. Here was said entry:
- Subverted as Giselle does have some Jerkass moments. One notable example is in Pearl In The Mist where she throws a classmate’s homework (that the girl had been studying religiously for) in the toilet just to prove a point that she shouldn’t work so hard on something that she doesn’t pay as much attention to her personal hygiene, never mind that there was a nicer way to tell someone this. In the same book she also outs Ruby’s friend Abby as biracial to the entire school (keep in mind this was an all white school in the sixties!) and she also got Miss Stevens fired by spreading the false rumour that she was a lesbian! So yeah…
It was removed again by a third troper here
.
However, Samazing 91 re-added
it, if slightly tweaked, not as a second bullet but to the main entry.
Here it was before:
- Unintentionally Sympathetic: Giselle. Yes, she has her flirtatious behaviors but her world was literally turned upside down with the discovery that not only does she have a twin sister but her mother isn't really her mother and Daphne starts becoming frostier toward Giselle as a result of the reveal when they were previously quite close. Punishment seems adamant to get her for the "sin" of not openly accepting her saintly twin sister by making her paralyzed for a time after a car accident, sent off to a boarding school (which she tries to get both Ruby and herself out of by pretending to be her sister), and nails her coffin shut by having her contract encephalitis. In hindsight, much of Giselle's punishments don't manage the wrongs (mostly putting her sister in an unflattering light) yet the reader is told how much of a "bad girl" she is compared to Ruby who is talked up heavily but has her own share of flaws that are desperately glossed over.
Here it is now (I bolded the re-added part):
- Unintentionally Sympathetic: Giselle. True she does have some Jerkass moments. One such example is in Pearl In The Mist where she throws a classmate’s homework (that the girl had been studying religiously for) in the toilet! In the same book she also outs Ruby’s friend Abby as biracial to the entire school (keep in mind this was an all white school in the sixties!) and she also got Miss Stevens fired by spreading the false rumour that she was a lesbian! But her world was literally turned upside down with the discovery that not only does she have a twin sister but her mother isn't really her mother and Daphne starts becoming frostier toward Giselle as a result of the reveal when they were previously quite close. Punishment seems adamant to get her for the "sin" of not openly accepting her saintly twin sister by making her paralyzed for a time after a car accident, sent off to a boarding school (which she tries to get both Ruby and herself out of by pretending to be her sister), and nails her coffin shut by having her contract encephalitis. In hindsight, much of Giselle's punishments don't manage the wrongs (mostly putting her sister in an unflattering light) yet the reader is told how much of a "bad girl" she is compared to Ruby who is talked up heavily but has her own share of flaws that are desperately glossed over.
Is this an Edit War? I know that this is not technically the same edit, but it is re-adding the same information for the third time in two and a half weeks from each other. They also didn't discuss it anywhere, despite me informing them the last time that they needed to discuss re-adding something before doing so. That said, due to not being the exact same edit and maybe fixing the mistake by it no longer being natter (I think), it might not be an Edit War. I am legit unsure.
Edited by Bullmanresolved Looking for a page
I am looking for the page where you can give ideas for adding examples to tropes, (when writing it yourself won't do it justice) for other people that want to edit the wiki but don't have ideas.
I thought I remembered looking at a page like that before, but after half an hour of searching I still can't find it.
3/29/2024 Posthumous edit: I originally closed this as resolved due to extreme anxiety despite not actually finding what I was looking for, which was Trope Idea Salvage Yard.
Edited by moosetwinopenConsensus on Handling These Gargoyles Manhattan Clan Edits? Western Animation
Steven Alex 22 made an inaccurate change to the Characters page for the Manhattan Clan in Gargoyles, removing the reference in Antiope's entry to Antiope having been nicknamed that by the Captain of the Guard's daughter Alesand. Not only do we see it happen in the recent issue #4, it was already mentioned by Alesand back in issue #1. Therefore, it is not "All There in the Manual" since it derives from published stories and not just the script. I can't change it back myself without edit warring, since I wrote that part in the first place, so Steven Alex 22 or someone else will have to revert the change.
They also made two strange changes that turned correct grammar into incorrect grammar. In Lefty's entry, they changed "the older biological brother of Demona, whom he resembles" to "Demona's biological older brother, whom he resembles". Moving "whom he resembles" away from the name of the person Lefty resembles makes the sentence lose sense and sound awkward. In Katana's entry, they changed "she and others return from patrol moments before the sun comes up, and she immediately insists to Brooklyn on checking on their egg" to "she and others return from patrol moments before the sun comes up, she immediately insists to Brooklyn on checking on their egg". Removing the "and" makes it a run-on sentence for no apparent reason.
Edited by NOYBopen Questionable deleted example
This was deleted from YMMV.Pokemon Sun And Moon:
- Common Knowledge: Many point to Lusamine being a bad and abusive mother, when the game itself heavily implies that Nihilego's neurotoxins heavily affected her mind, mostly causing her to become obssessed with Ultra Beasts, particularly Nihilego. Not helping the fact that her husband mysteriously vanished sometime prior. There's likewise no real evidence of her being abusive towards her children. At most, controlling of Lillie and dismissive of Gladion. In the post-game, Gladion himself states Lusamine's change was the result of Nihilego.
The edit reason was "Lusamine literally insults her children and treats them with scorn. Verbal abuse is still abuse. Stop placing all the blame on an innocent Pokémon acting on instinct to excuse this vile woman’s behavior. I have suffered from verbal abuse by my own mother and it has deeply affected me, and I see a lot of her behavior reflected in Lusamine."
My issue is what was supposed to be the "Common Knowledge", that she wasn't shown as directly abusive under Nihilego's neurotoxin (which is untrue), or that she was abusive even without said influence (also untrue as objectively portrayed otherwise, but has fans disagree covered by UnintentionallyUnsympathetic.Pokemon), or about the extent of her abuse being speculation/Fanon as opposed to clearly shown (the difference between Fanon/CK is an issue I've noticed)? That would determine the validity of the deletion.
resolved Ban Evader Concern?
Okay, so I'm not 100% certain on this, but the red flags are becoming way too hard to ignore. I think Planet Of The Primates may be Amour Le Fou because:
- They've resurrected Cartoon Monkey
, a TLP draft Amour was very interested in.
- They've resurrected Amour's "Stock Cartoon Animal Depictions
" draft, which was extremely contentious.
All that was just sort of coincidental though. What really gets me worried is their very similar edit histories. They frequent a lot of the same trope and work pages. Comparing their edit history is downright uncanny. It's the same deal with their forum history — they play the same games (which in and of itself wouldn't be incriminating, but on top of everything...)
So, that's the rub. If a mod could look into this, I'd appreciate that.
resolved Possible Word Cruft? Videogame
I attempted to ask this in the "Is this Word Cruft?" thread
, but haven't gotten a response.
This was recently added to YMMV.Mario Kart 8:
- Let’s face it, even if you hadn’t seen the Prefix Leak or didn’t know it was in Tour, you knew Wii Rainbow Road would be the final track of the Booster Course Pass, so it wasn’t even a slight surprise upon its reveal.
While it's not wrong, as others (including myself) were indeed able to predict the course, it just comes of as crufty to me. What should I do?
Edited by ChillyBeanBAMresolved Trope Launched Before It Was Ready
On the draft for Peculiar Penguin
, both Booplesnoot and myself expressed concern over the scope of the trope, both saying it was too broad and that the page needed work before launching. Bedford took some of our advice, but also ignored large parts of it and went ahead and launched once the trope drifted off the front page.
Is this kosher? The page had just barely passed the minimum wait time and had its launch announced prior, but to my understanding the launch announcement is to be delayed when there's an issue.
EDIT: Changing some of my wording, the draft had more hats than I remembered.
Also, is there a dedicated place to discuss recent launches?
Edited by MurlocAggroBopenWeird character folder quote change Film
On 26th Oct, sapphyblue change the folder quote in Mark Hoffman's character folder on Characters.Saw: Jigsaw and Accomplices from a quote said by Hoffman himself:
To one said by another character to him (incidentally, the one Hoffman told the aforementioned line to):
I find this change rather weird because I've never seen any character folder or character-specific page use quotes said by other characters to describe the one whom the folder/page addresses (even if they give an idea of who the character is). I'm not really sure how I should deal with this, though. Is it best if I send sapphyblue a notifier? Should I bring this issue on a forum thread? Or should I do something else? Perhaps it's better to leave it as it is?
Edited by Inky100resolved Troper camping on the Sonic Adventure 2 pages. Videogame
Troper L Fisher has been cutting multiple edits that portray GUN (one of the antagonists of Sonic Adventure 2) exactly as negatively as the game itself does, and making edits that partially exonerate them for committing mass murder ("but the Black Arms!"); they also tend to cut any mention that GUN was implied to be framing Sonic. While all this has been going on for a while, my personal last straw was them doing both of these recently, reducing the "Frame-Up" entry to a single sentence that isn't even accurate (Shadow didn't frame Sonic, at least not intentionally).
Not only is it extremely difficult to make edits about GUN on these pages, but I feel that this is treading uncomfortably close to apologia for real-world atrocities.
resolved Troper with a string of bad edits
So, lately I’ve been noticing how Ninja Ghost Dragon has been making pretty terrible edits that I frequently have to undo because of how bad they often are. Lemme give some examples:
- Adding a non-canon example to the Dooku page that has nothing to do with the canon works.
Whenever a Legends work is discussed in a Star Wars page, there should be a comparison to the canon works or else they're not necessary there.
- This edit pretty much undoes the trope and the excuses and additions they added in the edits are either subjective or downright incorrect.
Their wrong edit pretty much means the trope can’t be played straight because if there are "whole others" (and there’s not because those those few people mentioned in the example are the only ones Anakin’s kind to) then this trope can’t be played straight.
- Constant grammatical and spelling errors. Lemme give a bunch of examples:
- Just take a look at the number of grammatical and spelling errors they made in this Anakin edit
.
- I undid this but they said might of instead of might have, misspelled destroy, and said "a Jocasta Nu" rather than just Jocasta Nu
.
- They should’ve used self-preservationism and they used the wrong kind of reckless.
- Forgetting to italicize the show name, verbal tic word cruft in the form of "heck", and at the very least they should have put a comma after using heck.
- Removing "where" when it was used properly, using "antagonizes" instead of "antagonizing", not adding a comma after using "also" at the beginning of the sentence.
- Again forgetting to italicize a work’s title
.
- Uses "with rifle" instead of "with a rifle", made a typo with "killedm ore" which I presume is "killed more", unnecessary use of the word along, and misspelling "desperately".
- Disobeying Edit Tip 8 (A trope can't be "partially subverted" any more than a woman can be "a little bit pregnant), using all caps on averted, and being grammatically incorrect in the edit reason to boot.
- Just take a look at the number of grammatical and spelling errors they made in this Anakin edit
And that’s just scratching the surface. If I had more time, I could probably add around 10-20 more examples of them making bad edits.
Edited by MaxyGregoryyyy

I'm going to be honest, I was going to wait for tomorrow to thoroughly go through Neeku-Nekku-Nakuru-Nikua's edit and forum history to file a long and comprehensive report, but the situation's simplified itself by becoming an Edit War.
There's a whole lot of other stuff on the CM thread of him asking a bunch of questions that are all answered in the pinned post and then not listening to the answers we give him, but this makes the whole situation pretty simple honestly.
Edit: Their most recent post really summarizes the problem - beyond the threatening tone
, he says "don’t make grammar issues of any kinds", which is kinda a problem for someone basically declaring themselves the grammar police.
Edited by STARCRUSHER99