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openHow should I summarize this to make this a more concise example?
- Before and a bit during her Character Development set in, Amity Blight showed a bad habit of not practicing what she preaches.
- Amity said that it was her job as a top student to "encourage" those struggling, such as her former friend Willow, to keep trying (condescendingly), but when she lost her badge, she made a terrible example by acting out at the school cafeteria in an attempt to expose Luz and Willow's deception. It seemed that she cared more about her status than how she should present herself to her peers as a role model.
- In the same episode, as stated above, she was very demeaning to Willow for struggling in her abomination class honestly, yet she was very upset when Willow decided to cheat to pass, apparently not thinking that her treatment of her was partly the reason why she decided to do so.
- Amity was fine with nearly ruining Luz's dream of becoming a witch, but when she was unknowingly cheating on Lilith's part during the witches' duel in front of the Emperor's Coven and that it might jeopardize her future in joining them, it was considered an atrocity. Additionally, in "Reaching Out", it is revealed that she never wanted to join any coven and that her enlisting in the Emperor's Coven was her mom's dream, suggesting that Amity went along with it to minimize her misery, but it also shows that Amity got worked up over something she never actually wanted in the first place.
- Amity also told Boscha to leave Willow alone in "Hooty's Moving Hassle" since she was "born without talent", but she had no problem patronizing Willow herself in her debut.
- The same episode also showed that she was Lonely Among People and didn't like her Girl Posse, suggesting that she longed for real companionship, but when Luz offers her a chance at a true friendship, Amity rebuffs her and treats her with hostility and contempt, for a while at least.
- Part of the reason why she has an estranged relationship with her siblings is because they get away with everything and believe that as Blights, they need to uphold a higher standard, which was the exact opposite of what she did during her interactions with Luz, Willow, and others in general because of her unapologetic, unaccountable, and entitled behavior.
- She called Luz a bully over a series of misunderstandings despite her own hostile and antagonistic behavior toward Luz and Willow. While Luz was trying to make up and befriend her the whole time, she also has an Immediate Self-Contradiction when she says she doesn't get Luz, further showing that Amity isn't even putting in the minimum effort to get to know her despite "figuring out Luz's deal."
- She also accused Luz of prying into her friends' lives when Amity herself was the one who accidentally set Willow's mind ablaze to hide her past friendship out of pride, fear, and a refusal to face her problems.
- Before and a bit during her Character Development set in, Amity Blight showed a bad habit of not practicing what she preaches.
resolved Validity of an example Literature
Wasn't sure where to put this, didn't seem like it belonged in "Is this an Example". I was adding something to ThenLetMeBeEvil.Literature and happened to find this:
- Fagin in Oliver Twist is such an anti-Semitic caricature that Dickens himself grew ashamed at the remonstrations of several Jewish acquaintances, mended his beliefs, and wrote much more sympathetic Jewish characters in the future. However, since Oliver Twist was so popular and has so frequently been adapted, the adapters have had to deal with the Unfortunate Implications somehow. Some of them have used this, depicting Fagin's villainy less as a stereotype and more as an understandable response to the grinding poverty and degradation he would have suffered due to the relentless classism and anti-Semitism in England in the period.
The whole example is basically complaining about Fagin being a Greedy Jew stereotype, which, fair enough! But the example
- doesn't even get to illustrating the trope until halfway through.
- isn't actually an example for the linked source material but rather about unnamed adaptations.
- is violating Examples Are Not General by not specifying any adaptations in particular.
So I think this should probably be cut. Agreed?
Edited by StarSwordresolved Self-recommended fanfic at GoW: Ragnarok, remove or hide?
Was cleaning up the FanficRecs.God Of War PS 4 and while checking through the history, Cisco The Soto had self-recommended their own fic
in 2023. On the one hand, that's in violation of the "No Self-Recommendations" rule at Fan Fic Recommendations. At the same time, there's already a Trope page for the fic created by Darklightprince in 2024. Should I remove that entry, or hide it?
openPrideful Can Be Good?
I was looking at how the polar opposites of Chronic Self Deprecation and Inferiority Superiority Complex can progress, both positives and negatives. But both are simply regarded as a Vice without a word of resolution.
I know Pride can be positive for self worth improvement, like look at any Hero who is motivated by their friends, family, heritage or achievements. I just wanted a deeper look on the tropes surrounding those stories and how their character journies might be distinct from one another. How foils can meet in the middle or support one another. Or make things worse for each other.
resolved Stock Foreign Name needs to be split into sub pages.
Stock Foreign Name is becoming a very long page and I had plan to add more context to some examples, which will only make it longer.
I don't know if I can take this decision by myself. So that's why I'm asking.
resolved Edit War on Characters/UndeadUnluckGodAndTheSuperiorRules Anime
- March 17th, 2024
, Troper UnCorrectManiac changed the images for the characters "Soul", "Death", "Change", and "Language" on the Undead Unluck: God and The Superior Rules page without opening an Image Pickin thread.
- March 18th, 2024
, Troper Rebel Falcon (Myself) reverted entries.
- Edit Reason: Image changes need to be approved via an Image Pickin thread.
- March 18th, 2024
, Troper UnCorrectManiac instigated Edit War by undoing reversion, as well as changed the image for character "Luck" without opening an Image Pickin thread.
- Edit Reason: If you believe the new images do not fit the page than feel free to make an Image Pickin' thread to argue your case, but at the moment it seems silly to revert them back without doing so. Every other image on this page was added with the Image Pickin Thread being needed before hand, I don't see why these should be any different unless your actually willing to explain why in a thread. If there is already a thread for UU I'd love to take part in it, but I could not find it myself.
resolved Quick question
This may sound silly, but when dewicking, should the item moved from Useful Notes page to Media Notes page?
My common sense say yes, but seeing there're 30+ entries of Media Notes namespace on Useful Notes, as well as Main/ like Theatre, it's occurred to me that the namespace itself might be irrelevant.
openOverspeculating the Pesticide in Apaches?
I've noticed in the pages for Apaches, the edits there are insistent that the pesticide Sharon drank was a weed killer containing Paraquat. This is never specified in the film itself, and yet tropers like Goji Biscuits are insistent in adding that it "likely contained paraquat" if the recent edits are anything to go by, and the section in the Nightmare Fuel page go into detail on how paraquat kills, even though again, it was never specified to have such.
Is this just a me problem or does this require fixing?
Edited by RedBerryBlueCherryresolved Promotion to franchise page
What process must be followed if one wishes for a work page covering a series to be "promoted" to a franchise page? Such as if the series has already gathered a lot of installments, and it may start getting unwieldy for a single page to list a lot of tropes that only apply to specific installments rather than the series overall; or if the series extends to more than one medium. (Obviously, individual work pages would have to be made for each installment as well, but that's the easy part, even if it is time consuming).
In my case, I believe Len'en is at the point where it needs to become a franchise page, with each installment getting to have its own work page. The reasons will be laid out across the upcoming paragraphs.
There are already five games (and a sixth is in development), and the fourth game in particular, Len'en Ten'eisenki ~ Brilliant Pagoda or Haze Castle, due to its very different gameplay from previous installments and its sheer amount of content, will eventually gather too many tropes that apply only to itself and no other games in the series, which can get unwieldy when everything is listed on a series-wide page.
Furthermore, the latest game, Len'en Cafe ~ Book of the Cafe already has its own work page, which is indeed very useful since it's an entirely different genre from the other games and thus will have several tropes absent from the rest of the series.
Lastly, the series isn't even just video games; there is a music video titled Critical Point Bidding Its Last Farewell and a music album titled A World Outside Fantasy ~Len'en Mugenri~. (Albeit neither has been mentioned on the Len'en page in this wiki yet; I thought of adding them myself but am holding off on editing the page any further to focus on settling my concerns here).
Several weeks back, I made a discussion post on the work page summarizing my concerns in one paragraph to see if anyone agrees with my assessment, but it has been ignored due to low activity on the page.
(Oh, and while we're at it, the page should use the full title of the series, Len'en Project, just like how the page for Touhou was changed to Touhou Project for the same reason).
So, is there a specific forum or thread or other kind of place where I should take these concerns so whether it can be done is discussed and decided, or anything else I'm supposed to do to formally propose/enact the change?
Edited by yokaipinataopenCan This Really Be Considered Narm, Or Is It Misuse?
I was looking through the pages for the fan fic The Sun Will Come Up, and the Seasons Will Change and I noticed that in the YMMV page, a user put in this entry:
- Narm: Nora is revealed to be a neo-Nazi in her debut when she walks across the snow, and the cut of her shoes leave swastikas in her footprints. It's meant to be a shocking moment, but the image of a hate symbol being molded into the bottom of someone's shoes with the purpose of actually leaving footprints in that shape comes off as so sudden and over-the-top it rolls into hilarity.
I know this kind of stuff is subjective for each troper, but reading over it...I don't know, something about it feels really off to me. I might be biased here as I'm a huge fan of the fan fic in question, but reading the scene in its actual context, I couldn't find anything in the fic itself or its writing that made the scene in question come off as unintentionally hilarious or over-the-top like the troper who made the edit claims. Plus, as weird as this sounds, I found out through watching a documentary that there actually are such things as companies that make the exact kind of boots with little swastikas molded onto the soles, so it's not something that was just pulled out of their imagination. Something about the wording feels really off to me too, but I'm admittedly not an expert on these matters, so for all I know I'm probably reading too deep into it. What do you guys think? Is this a misuage of Narm, or is it actually following the trope page's rules?
Edited by TwilightPegasusopenOverly negative editor?
On March 3rd, {{Tropers/2HeadedMoonOctopus}} added an entry for the game Jujutsu Kaisen: Cursed Clash to Video Game Generations: Seventh Onwards, and since then, particularly earlier today, has been serial tweaking the entry to add more and more negativity to it. Given the Horrible namespace, this by itself isn't overly unusual, but I recognized the name, because in December, the same user made a handful of edits to VideoGame.Star Wars Jar Jars Journey Adventure Book which were also negative in nature, including creating a YMMV page that is almost nothing but negativity.
This could just be me overreacting, but if this is a pattern, it might be worth addressing before it goes any further. From a cursory glance at their recent edit history, they seem to have spread some negativity regarding Cursed Clash to some other JJK related pages, and I also found a handful of negative edits to other controversial works like YMMV.Lady Ballers and YMMV.Willys Chocolate Experience.
Edited by JankyKongopen TLP Editor editing other's drafts past basic tweaks
Aqua Eclipse has been editing other people's TLP proposals without regularly saying or stating what they are doing, and in some cases has made major changes to the proposal, when they are not the creator.
- here
on Gratuitous Chinese
- here
on Fighting Your Future Self
- here
on my own, Rough Overalls (it was formatting, but I'd have appreciated some notation in the replies)
- here
on Kiddy Coveralls, another I'm working on, though they stated what they did
- ETA: here
on Homeowners' Autocracy, where they added an example directly instead of putting it in the comments and said so
.
They were asked by War Jay 77 to stop editing in this fashion
. Twice.
At this point a reminder needs to be sent to abide by the TLP Guidelines of not editing other people's drafts without asking or explaining themselves—and even if it's a small typo or formatting, to still say something. TLP isn't the general wiki at large and the proposals aren't up for open edits until they're launched.
Edited by Nethiliaresolved Is my grammar good enough with Grammarly?
So I posted my Get Help With English forum like the one below two days but no one checked it so the next day I reposted it again but still, no one checked it. Is it because it doesn't need to be fixed because of Grammarly or because I was punished for my past actions? Here's the post that I was talking about.
- Tampering with Food and Drink: In the end, when Brittney and her presumed dead mother celebrate their victory, her mother takes a slip of the drink that Brittney hands out to her, she says that the drink is strong. Brittney gives a smug smile and quote "They do make them strong here, don't they?", implying that Brittney poisoned her mother to get the money for herself.
- Food Fight: Combine with Cat Fight. When Emilia refuses to move while Ivy politely tries to leave during the family dinner with The Ardiente Family, Ivy grows impatient and shoves the cake (that Emilia was holding) to Emilia's face and an enraged Emilia starts fighting with Ivy while the cake smears on them.
Is my grammar good enough to send?
Note: Yes, I am aware that there are other volunteers and I shouldn't rely on one person but two days ago and probably today they were not available. And I am a changed person so I didn't beg in a post nor I do send a pm complaint about something anymore.
Edited by BubblepigopenHelp with finding a trope that mentions djinns
I was planning to ask this in Trope Finder but the wording in it gave me the impression it's just to ask if a trope already exists, so sorry if I'm asking this in the wrong place.
So there's a trope where one of its examples is explaining how a djinn grants wishes in the original stories, and the explanations is if you ask for a property (Maybe a kingdom), he won't create one from scratch and will just buy the property or at least the paperwork for it.
The trope itself isn't about djinns in particular, I think it was just explaining the difference between people's belief and what actually happened, but I'm not sure if that is what the trope was about since seemingly it's not included in Common Knowledge.
I'm pretty sure the example uses the word "mundane" to describe the djinn's simple solution to getting the property.
open What constitutes an Ass Pull? Western Animation
Essentially, I was thinking of adding the trope in Hazbin Hotel in regards to the whole 'angels can only be hurt by angelic steel'.
Not in the concept itself but the fact that no demon in the 1000 years the exterminations happened had never figured it out, that no demons ever thought to try this.
And the fact that Vaggie would not know this, despite having being maimed by angelic steel.
Would this constitute an Ass Pull or is there another trope that would fit this?
resolved "Stealing" someone else's edit?
I know this wiki isn't actually about credit for providing examples, context and such but is it actually possible to "steal" and edit of a page, i.e. delete the entry and then add it yourself in a way it doesn't show in page history?
I don't remember every single thing I wrote here but still have a disturbing suspicion that I was the one who wrote this entry
.
openVandalizing a page
There's a troper who has been vandalizing a fanfic's page. While they pretend to act in good faith on the page itself, they've also been boasting about what they've been doing on social media and it's quite clear that they just want to bash the fic itself while smearing the author. What can we do in those situations?
Edited by AnaeLeoneresolved Question about adding two colliding YMMV tropes at once:
So Silent Hill: The Short Message came out last month to a pretty polarized reception, and there's a specific dynamic about it I want to document about it, that being the debate on whether it's "a real Silent Hill game" or not. There's been a lot of different directions on it I felt could be covered, but I'm specifically interested in how detractors come in both It's the Same, So It Sucks and They Changed It, Now It Sucks! varieties, with the entries being something like:
- It's the Same, So It Sucks, referring to how some critics accuse it of being a watered-down imitation of earlier formulas established in the series, including the "journey through a horror landscape that's a metaphor for the protagonist's trauma and repressed guilt" codified by Silent Hill 2, but not as interesting.
- They Changed It, Now It Sucks! (probably the more common criticism) in that the game focuses more on "modern" Survival Horror game tropes and features a story that some accuse of being more "trendy", melodramatic, and not like "real" Silent Hill (I've seen the focus on teenage depression, abuse, and suicide being compared to unfavorably to Life is Strange).
I trust myself in not veering too hard into complaining (I actually like the game for the most part and find the divided response interesting), but I was wondering if adding these two directions at once might be actually more appropriate as a Broken Base entry, and that it's not kosher to put these points down until the requisite 6-month waiting period has passed. I don't think these audience reactions are mutually exclusive — there are different nuances to what either is referring to for what they expect from the game — but I just wonder if it's good praxis to trope in the way I'm proposing, or if I should just wait for the 6 months for a collective Broken Base entry.
Edited by number9roboticopenSelf-Promotion in forums?
Remind me what the official stance on it, aside making wiki pages. What I mean is that I feel this
and this
post contradict each other.

So this is kind of a very-weird, very-major hot button issue (outside of this site anyway), but I feel like it should be addressed.
A few people have added to/altered a Fandom Rivalry entry on Illymation's YMMV page about recent controversy she's going through in regards to beef with another channel. The entry goes more in depth, but basically the issue is about a video they made, which spiralled out of control when she told her Tumblr followers to flag the video.
I'm worried about this for a couple reasons—number one being that a lot of what people currently know about the issue is...pretty grossly exaggerated. The complaint that she tried to deplatform TBYS, which first came from the latter himself, isn't very trustworthy; Illy's Tumblr account apparently had only around 100 views before it was deleted (given the lack of tags in her name
, I think that's pretty believable), and the way the strike system works doesn't account for the sheer number of reports, just judgment on YouTube's part after they see the issue; assuming he doesn't have any strikes already, they would just give him a warning.
There's a lot of other background that I don't want to address for obvious reasons, but the second issue is mainly about how recent this drama is; I know there's no hard-and-fast rule about No Recent Examples, Please! for Fandom Rivalry, but should it apply here? Mainly asking because we're still probably missing a lot of the full context for what precisely happened.
Just trying to give my two cents based on what I've seen/researched. I know I might sound biased (and I'd add more of the background if I knew for sure that it wouldn't add fuel to the fire), but I genuinely think the entry is problematic.
Edited by Coachpill