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openSEED Freedom edit war (repeat offender)
driller is once again
edit warring under YMMV.Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Freedom.
- Esoteric Happy Ending: Foundation has been defeated and completely neutralized as a threat, hooray! Except multiple nukes were dropped across Eurasian territories, Requiem was allowed to cut multiple bloody swaths across multiple countries unimpeded, multiple riots were instigated, Many sympathizers jumped at the idea of Coordinator supremacy (although it's very likely they were already under Foundation's payroll), and hundreds of thousands are dead as a result, with the only other bright spot being that Blue Cosmos might have been finally eradicated alongside their leader Michael (which hems on if that was their last bastion or not), which could mean they're no longer able to continue their horrific attacks in the aftermath.
They added this, Lone Courier 0 removed citing "It's acknowledged to be a bittersweet ending and not a truly happy one, so it feels unnecessary to add." (Which I agree with and took to cleanup, but got no feedback on.) driller added it back under its new name without edit reason.
- Allegedly Optimistic Ending: The Accords have been defeated, Foundation's ambitions have been halted, and everyone is happy with their respective partners. Clearly everything ended perfectly... Except Thousands, if not millions, are dead as a result of multiple nukes being launched and Requiem sweeping through different countries, relationships between Coordinators and Naturals are still shown to be heavily skewed, and the novel reveals that Blue Cosmos STILL hasn't been eliminated and continues to make terrorist attacks. Arguably the events of the movie have left Cosmic Era is a far worse state than it has ever been in up to this point.
Omega Nemesis 13 defeated it citing "Stop trying to add this, just worried with a different trope. It can't be alleged if the story itself acknowledges these things."
driller still edit warring, along with their other suspect edits. Should something more be done?
resolved (Danganronpa SPOILERS) Is this a misuse of DoomedByCanon?
This folder is from the prequel work's character page.
- Prequel: Danganronpa 3: The End of Hope's Peak High School: Despair Arc
- Present: Danganronpa: Trigger Happy Havoc
I changed Doomed by Canon to Saved by Canon (the following character got killed in Trigger Happy Havoc, not the prequel anime), but then another troper re-added Doomed By Canon.
Mukuro Ikusaba
- Doomed by Canon: Junko kills her in Chapter 1 of Trigger Happy Havoc while she's masquerading as Junko herself.
- Saved by Canon: Since she's one of participants of the second killing game (while disguising as Junko), this is a given.
openExample Indentation problem in YMMv page
I found two examples in YMMV page for The Gifted (2014) where two example indentation is probably used wrongly.
- Alternate Character Interpretation:
- The Stinger regarding the nature of The Gifted novel in the end portrays Marco in in a negative light. The novel portrays the unhealthy rivalry of Aica and Zoe who are actually based on in-universe real life people. In the reveal, the audience learns that the two novel characters are based on two of Marco's former classmates, Maica and Joey who are actually Fire-Forged Friends and are not okay with Marco's portrayal of their fictional counterparts in their books and mugged him in the end for it. They basically claim that the novel is an actual product of Marco's insecurities and envy of the two's academic aptitude and the embarassing incident of Aica's soiling herself and Zoe's revenge on their theology teacher was actually Marco's experience.
- Alternatively Maica's and Zoe's view on Marco's reputation as a friendless outcast maybe an exaggeration as well. Nevertheless the epilogue's possible Aesop against excessive escapism still stands.
- The Stinger regarding the nature of The Gifted novel in the end portrays Marco in in a negative light. The novel portrays the unhealthy rivalry of Aica and Zoe who are actually based on in-universe real life people. In the reveal, the audience learns that the two novel characters are based on two of Marco's former classmates, Maica and Joey who are actually Fire-Forged Friends and are not okay with Marco's portrayal of their fictional counterparts in their books and mugged him in the end for it. They basically claim that the novel is an actual product of Marco's insecurities and envy of the two's academic aptitude and the embarassing incident of Aica's soiling herself and Zoe's revenge on their theology teacher was actually Marco's experience.
- Broken Aesop
- Films and television series who features conventionally unattractive leads often implies a premise that Appearance Is in the Eye of the Beholder. However like in most films, the leads underwent cosmetic surgery. This was subverted in the ending where it was revealed that the events of the film is a loose adaptation of real events by The Gifted author Marco. Maica and Joey criticized Marco's book for making their fictional counterparts undergo surgery and insists they are contented with their appearances. They chastised the book as a escapist Fanservice meant to cater to men.
- However films such as The Gifted also heavily relies to the female demographic with Sam Milby as its male lead. Depending on your point of view the feminist message in the epilogue might not hold water..
- Films and television series who features conventionally unattractive leads often implies a premise that Appearance Is in the Eye of the Beholder. However like in most films, the leads underwent cosmetic surgery. This was subverted in the ending where it was revealed that the events of the film is a loose adaptation of real events by The Gifted author Marco. Maica and Joey criticized Marco's book for making their fictional counterparts undergo surgery and insists they are contented with their appearances. They chastised the book as a escapist Fanservice meant to cater to men.
How do I fix it?
resolved NRLEP with page.
The Real Life page for Mercy Kill exists, although last I checked, it was listed as NRLEP. It just isn't linked to on the main page itself anymore. Was this an oversight?
openI would like to report myself
I would like to report myself for discussion in the edit reasons on
Trivia.Wednesday I honestly didn't realize what I was doing until I had clicked save. I thought I was simply putting an edit reason, but then I remembered that you aren't supposed to respond to previous edit reasons. It only happened once before I realized and decided to report myself. I apologize and will except punishment if necessary.
As a side note I am not even sure if the entry should be there but that is for another thread.
Edited by Bullmanresolved Mass violation of Administrivia policy on Peter and Company. Webcomic
The author of Peter And Company, who goes by the username PeterAndCompany, I'm pretty sure just violated The Fic May Be Yours, but the Trope Page Is Ours and Auto-Erotic Troping.
I quote the following from the former:
- You may contest factual information and either make the changes or ask others to change it for you, as long as you are polite and respect consensus.
- You may inform us that your work has been removed and made permanently inaccessible to the public, in which case we may consider deleting our article(s). This requires agreement from the troper body.
- You may request removal of content that you believe is hostile or defamatory towards yourself or your work, but we hold final discretion as to what falls into those categories.
Nowhere have I seen the author do this at all; as far as I can tell, they also did not go to any of the cleanup pages. They instead gave a lengthy edit reason
stating that they are the author in an attempt to justify their vandalism of the page, which as Edit War states, is not sufficient discussion; Essentially he is trying to claim ownership of the page.
He has also gone on the trivia page and the YMMV page to do the exact same thing, moreso with the latter especially on parts that have to do with the main webcomic itself, and has also engaged in Auto-Erotic Troping on this paticular edit
and possibly the Main page. Admin has not indicated to me that he had the permission needed to take down what I wrote or the right to make the edits he made (the latter of which had nothing to do with removing misinformation on the Trivia page) either, so I'm on high alert with this.
He has also done the following which is something authors are not supposed to do, especially in regard to YMMV. I quote the following:
- You may not remove content from our articles on the basis that you disagree with it or do not like it.
I am open to input from the community and admin on this matter as to what can, should, or if anything can be done.
Edited by Stardust5099resolved Super Mario Odyssey: Hide and Seek Web Original
So I made a page for Super Mario Odyssey: Hide and Seek the other day, and then I thought of something. I was going to put the series into the FanWorks.Super Mario Bros page... only to be confused for quite a while, because the series itself is based on a mod for the game, so do I put it in ROM hacks or Web Video?
I have no idea.
Edit: I just realise that I thought about it too much, please ignore this.
Edited by NarioopenI'm worried
Normally, I wouldn't be doing this, since I'm not seeking for any attention, but I think I should break the silence now: I'm currently adding a lot of FNF mods' pages and putting them into the main game's fan works page (and also in other proper pages so they could get attention). During last year, I was getting some users helping me fill those pages. Sometimes the mod wasn't so famous, so tropers weren't appearing in those rare cases, but I didn't mind that at all, plus every person has their rights to choose what they want to do.
One day, now in 2024, I've created the page for Glitched Legends, a popular Pibby mod in the community. While I was thinking on other mods to add and working in other stuff at TV Tropes, I've been noticing the page hasn't been having anything new; no corrections, no examples, nothing. I wasn't thinking too much about it, then. "Maybe it's because it's a Pibby mod. Even if it's a high-quality mod, Pibby mods are oversaturated, so maybe not many people are into it". Then I've been created other pages: Vs Slenderman, Funkin In The Massacre Night, Friday Night Funkin VS Chara, and so on. None of them have been updated ever since.
I don't want to make any publicity here, or force anything to anybody, since like I said, anyone can choose if they want to help or just see those pages, but I'm genuinely worried. I've been patient for two months now, and I'm not receiving any help from other users. Even Roastin' on a Cartoon Cartoon Friday, probably my most elaborated page during these months, only had one foreign edit, and it was only a little correction. Are my pages not causing any interests? Am I getting some bad reputation for something?
I'm sorry for creating this whole Wall of Text, but I wanted to explain myself clearly.
Edited by UzarNaimBer15resolved Interruption by (possible) Trojan
I'm browsing a page on the site, when suddenly, the tab I'm on changes from TV Tropes to what seems to be a page for Norton Antivirus Software. A popup then appears, showing that apparently, my computer has five computer viruses, and that my Norton contract has expired. But here's the rub; I'm from England, which doesn't have Norton available (as far as I know). So, I do what I always do against potential phishing: turn the computer off and on again with my keyboard, then open Windows Security and run a quick scan (better safe than sorry), before reopening my browser (Google Chrome), restoring my tabs, and quickly closing the "Antivirus" tab before it fully restores itself.
This has happened once in two consecutive days (as of writing). So, my question is: Please can anyone confirm that a) this isn't just a "me" thing, and b) the issue is being dealt with?
openWeird Edit Removal Reason Western Animation
On YMMV.Dexters Laboratory Walt K removed this entry
- Self-Fanservice:
- Dexter and Mandark get a lot of this in fanart.
- Dee Dee gets her fair share of this, especially when most artists think she'll take after her mom. It doesn't help that Dexter once described Dee Dee as "her hips a bit meaty".
they removed it
with the edit reason "inappropriate" (presumably meaning "sexualizing characters from a children’s series is inappropriate")
Whether you agree with them or not, YMMV is just troping Audience Reactions, and we’ve had other Self-Fanservice entries from kids shows. Even if it is "inappropriate" we’re just troping what fans believe. Is this ok, or should I add it back?
openIs there any parameter for text under headers to be put in folders?
This is a question that popped on my mind when I was doing some structuring on the The Amazing Digital Circus pages. Specifically, when I put the "General" section of the newly-created Alternative Character Interpretation in a folder (to go in tandem with the folders in the "Episodes" section) among some cleanup, I went to check if any other pages had some sections with folders and others without them, I found the Heartwarming page, which had its "Misc." section without a folder; I attempted to put it in a folder, only to notice upon looking in the page's history that Shanwoo 444 (the same troper who created the Alternative Character Interpretation) had already done that
before only to quickly remove it as they were creating folders for each episode under the "Episodes" header, at which I quickly reverted the changes (initially because I mis-read the entries for a moment and thought I added the "Misc." folder myself, meaning that I could have started an edit war, but I sticked to what I did anyway after seeing I didn't just in case).
What I'm asking is, in pages pertaining to examples of a trope in a specific work that use folders and headers at the same time, should folders only be used as further subsections for headers that have distinctive aspects separating the examples (e.g. the episode it takes place in), or is a single folder acceptable for any header regardless of how the distinction between its examples or even its length (as the Misc. section in the Heartwarming page is rather short with only two examples)? Shanwoo 444 and I seem to have rather different ways of organizing pages like these, given how I prefer to put everything in folders to keep things neat whereas they are fine with leaving headings without folders unless they address things such as episodes. I'm not really sure if there's any rule or recommendation addressed in the Administrivia pages on how to handle folders in this situation, and I'm asking this just to be safe on what to do.
openBile Fascination Writes The Plot????????
If an Audience Reaction is a factor in the creation of a work, should it be referenced in some way?
As an example: I could add mocking references to The Nutshack or The Big Bang Theory in a work, because I and others like to make fun of those works. So, you could say that me showing Bile Fascination towards The Nutshack is the justification for inserting The Nutshack references or even characters in a work.
In that case, how would that be classified? It wouldn't fit on a normal YMMV page because it's an Audience Reaction expressed by the creator towards a different work, and not directed to the work itself; it wouldn't fit on the Main page because it's still an out-of-universe example. Should it be listed as Trivia under Word of God if I officially say that I added references to The Nutshack out of Bile Fascination? Or is it not worth pointing out at all for this site?
Edited by TMH-Sir-Iron-Vomitresolved Self Pimping Vandal?
Samarth Ror's Only edits
are to add poorly formatted sinkholes to a Creator article to his own name (which doesn't exist not that it matters he seems to not understand how to wikiword).
Incidently there's an article on Wikipedia (EDIT: actually wikialpha, wikipedia's cousin with lower standards where they pride themselves on not deleting stuff) by the same name made by a guy with the same name 2 days ago so it seems to be a weird troll going around creating pages for himself?
Latest entry was trying to add himself as a lead actor for RRR (2022)
Edited by GhilzopenNeed helping fixing bullet points and folders on a page
Today, I finally begun a series of edits that I had long been planning to add on the Character pages for Identity V. However, in editing Identity V: Survivors (Part 1) I was shocked to find that the page had ended up bugging up, leading to folders being hidden and bullet points for tropes not being put in place. I tried to fix the issue myself, but nothing seems to work.
Does anyone know what has happened and how to fix it?
Edited by WiryAiluropodineopenIs Paris Jackson's page a little too prying?
The biography for Paris Jackson talks a lot about her mental health struggles and self-harm attempts, which seems a little bit too prying into her personal life, especially since she's still living, still pretty young, discusses things that happened before she started her actual career, and has talked about how much she doesn't like being a paparazzi magnet. Should this be edited?
openConcerns about the Destined Death folder claiming that it's an Outer God.
I mentioned this on the discussion page
a couple of days ago, but got no response, so I mentioned it here as well. Elden Ring: Outer Gods treats Destined Death and the unnamed Outer God of the Twinbird as if they were the same, causing that other pages describe Destined Death as an Outer God. This puzzles me because neither the fextralife wiki
nor the fandom wiki
do this.
The argument in favor is that, and I quote: "The power of the Prince of Death's Staff, derived from the Destined Death that Maliketh seized from the Gloam-Eyed Queen, empowers both the ghostflame and Death sorceries of the Deathbirds; in addition, the Mausoleum Knights who protect the bodies of slain demigods use the wings and eclipse symbols of Deathbirds, and the Eclipse Shotel associated with them can inflict Deathblight, an affliction born from the Prince of Death. All of these indicate they are most likely separate manifestations of the same power, who have intervened in the Lands Between ever since the arrival of the twinbird."
Although these connections are indeed mentioned in the game, I think it's a stretch to suggest that they come from the same source.
Deathblight is first and foremost an in-game mechanic, and it has its quirks. Both Wormfaces and Basilisks can give you Deathblight but aren't affected by incantations that kill Those Who Live in Death, and neither are Tibia Mariners which are strongly linked to Those Who Live in Death. So it's not a bulletproof argument.
The game said that Godwyn's current state is the result of a rite performed by Ranni, in which both were killed with a fragment of Destined Death at the same time, but Ranni died in flesh but her soul lived, while Godwyn died in soul but his body lived. Meaning that if not for this rite, Destined Death should have straight up killed Godwyn, both in soul and body, a "true death," very different from the ancient God of Twinbird, which is associated with an afterlife, and typical undead and necromancy stuff.
Keep in mind that the Frenzied Flame and the Fell God of the Giants also share themes like fire and eyes, and somehow you can use yourself as kindling in the forge of the giants to burn the Erdtree and SURVIVE if you inherit the Flame of Frenzy, but the game still mentions these two as separate entities, which means that just because the Prince of Death has some link to Destined Death doesn't guarantee that they are all products of the same God.
Also, it is really telling that the folder ignores all the connections that exist between the Destined Death and the Elden Ring. The other name for Destined Death is the Rune of Death, and the Elden Ring is composed of runes. The Godskin Nobles have a similar physiology to those close to the crucible, which is "the Erdtree in its primordial form", and, according to Enia, the Golden Order was created by "plucked" the Rune of Death, suggesting that the concept of death was once part of the Elden Ring (something Miyazaki himself mentions
).
In the end, the game is very vague and ambiguous on this subject, but our current page is anything but ambiguous, it's basically a fan theory presented as facts, and I think we should cut the folder out completely.
Edited by SoyValdo7

These two entries were recently posted on YMMV.Young Sheldon by user "marshenwhale".
1) Under Unintentionally Sympathetic:
2)Under Unintentionally Unsympathetic:
I have some issues with this. For one, while hinted at in both The Big Bang Theory and Young Sheldon, Sheldon has never been confirmed to be neurodivergent, not even by Word of God, who blatantly refuse to answer definitively. It wouldn't be much of a stretch to say he is, but there's no official confirmation.
Also, the post reads like the poster has a bit of a bias. Neurodivergent or not, some of the shit Sheldon pulls is uncalled for and would reasonably make most people angry. When I watched "An Entrepreneurialist and a Swat on the Bottom", I was under the impression that Sheldon knew what he was doing was wrong but did it anyway because his needs are more important to him than everyone else and he acts like that quite often in both shows.
Should this stay or not? Or should it be re-written? I'll let the tropers decide since this is YMMV and I am not the biggest Sheldon Cooper fan so I'm likely biased in My own way.