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openUnexplained removal
On Let Us Never Speak of This Again, a since-inactive user removed the SpongeBob and Patrick Star Show entries without a reason.
Can these be added back?
resolved Confused by the FNaF WMG page Videogame
Hey sorry if this is the wrong place to put this.
Anyway, I have a WMG for the entirely of the Five Nights at Freddy's franchise, but there isn't really a series-wide section for the WM Gs like most franchise pages I've run across. It's broken into specific installments and there's an "unsorted" section but it's mostly just short blurbs and mine is pretty long. Also, I noticed there's a lot of guesses for the movie (since it was in production for like nine years) on other pages and I wasn't sure if I should move those to the page for the movie itself.
resolved Receiving random PMs from "different" users who actually seem to be the same person
I have been receiving strange PMs from users in recent months asking incredibly nitpick-y things about posts I make on the forums, that I have come to believe is actually just one person using a bunch of sockpuppets. They always ask similar, inane questions; use the same kind of wording; and always claim that, quote, "myself and others" are "confused" or "have questions" about something I said on the forums. It's too similar and consistent for me to believe this just happens to be random users who type exactly the same, ask the same kinds of questions, and claim that "others" were wondering.
The "users" who have messaged me include: Master Waldon, Speed Gamer, and varazthemage. All of them have been new accounts with no edits to their name.
I'm just curious if anyone else has been having this issue and if there's anything to be done about it if so. Thanks!
resolved Discussions on edit reason?
So, on YMMV.Jocat there has been
a back and forth regarding this Offending the Creator's Own entry:
- Offending the Creator's Own: Despite himself being quite left-leaning, the infamous harassment campaign that targeted JoCat due to his "I Like Girls" was partly from far-left/radical feminist people who accused the video of objectifying women and being perverted.
Now I don't know if the entry is true and I have no dog in rather if it is political bias or not, but the thing is that it seems like the tropes particularly this one
are using the edit reason for discussions. Am I correct that is what is happening or am I mistaken.
resolved Report Troper (technically part 3)
I'm here because a previous ATT
went very long and though I know it received moderator attention, I don't know how much the mods were able to see because of the length (and because the issue kept going after the initial report), so I wanted to make a new one to make sure it got seen. Basically, I would like to join in on reporting NicMasterTrope for several thread-related issues, including but not limited to CM issues.
- In April he was reported
due to possessiveness issues regarding My Hero Academia, specifically the character of All For One (AFO). In summary, after the character was proposed, Nic PM'd the user asking to take the writeup, and when he was not given such permission, he went in and edited the draft without permission. Later on, he tried to alter the writeup without permission again to add in spoilers in violation of those threads' two-week rule. He was reprimanded by Tabs
and said he would try to communicate better
.
- Recently, he again
harped on when an MB draft from MHA would be done. When the writeup was done, he proceeded to comment that he would make a few improvements
but didn't offer any insight as to what those were.
- In the first ATT on this specific issue, he attempted to summarize the issue as just voicing his opinion
and said that he's not acting "haughty".
- He then proceeded to "discuss" the MHA tree order
by basically saying that it has to go a certain way, even though that exact order had already been agreed upon
anyway. He framed it as attempting to discuss it because of "the rules", even though there was no discussion to be had on the issue by that point because everyone, including him, was in agreement.
- After that, he then asked if Riley intended to propose another MHA character for MB
and asked to take it if Riley wasn't - this isn't an issue in isolation, but the fact that he's still harping on trying to propose and edit stuff from MHA despite the work already being reserved speaks to how far he's missing the point of the issue.
- Somewhere in the middle of all this, they made a CM EP and deleted it when it got downvoted, giving the reason as "What’s point of creating EP in the first place if it’s still rejected despite providing valid points
" (implicitly stating that the counterarguments were invalid).
- This is minor in the grand scheme of things, but he double
posted several
times, and when asked not to do that, not only immediately did it again
but also triple-posted later
. He later proceeded to make the exact same
comment twice, but about an hour apart
- Beyond the issue of possessiveness and attitude regarding their own proposals, there's also just a general history of rudeness, which is not restricted to CM/MB:
- Here
, he was very rude to someone while downvoting an EP and only edited it out after being called out later.
- Here
, they bumped a previous post with like sixteen exclamation and question marks, seemingly just to highlight their impatience, and said it was irritating to be "ignored"
(he got a talking to from Bisected for that as well).
- Here
, back when the character of Vecna was in limbo (a stage play seemed to give him redeeming qualities, but no one had actually seen it, so we kept getting cut proposals based solely on wiki summaries), Nic joined in in asking if he would be cut. Six posts later, he furiously
told us to stop ignoring him and implied that he would unilaterally cut him if no one else was planning to.
- Here
, he asked a question about TVT rules vs. Fandom wiki rules, got an answer literally immediately
, and then reposted the question
and called it "important" while asking us to stop treating him like a "jerk" (as this post
shows in an admittedly snarky fashion, the Administrivia page the thread OP instructs everyone to read answers the question anyway).
- Here
, in a similar fashion, he once asked the ITAE thread to stop ignoring him and answer his question. When Libraryseraph responded that she didn't know why any of his examples might not count, he basically said that now it was her turn to explain herself
.
- Here
Basically, he has a history of being disruptive, possessive over My Hero Academia despite the series being reserved (which could have been solved if he had just been polite about it, since works get split among users all the time and Riley has a well-documented history of doing so), rude if he doesn't get the answers he wants in a timely fashion, and completely missing the point of the problem even when it's spelled out clearly and thus continuing all of the issues after multiple ATTs and mod warnings. I know the last ATT was seen by mods (Bisected commented on it to ask for no popcorning), but I also know that there was a lot of information given there in no particular order, so I hope that consolidating everything here might make it easier for the mod team to see our issues.
Thank you for your time.
Edited by STARCRUSHER99resolved Reporting User (Again)
So, NicMasterTrope has a fairly well-established habit of unfortunate conduct on the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard cleanup threads and the wiki in general due to impatience and unilateral action, quite frequently reported in instances like these: Here
Here
Here
And here
Thing is, the user doesn't seem interested in improving their behavior as they promised. Recently, on the Magnificent Bastard Cleanup thread, the user asked when a draft would be done while saying they'd already made a Video Example for the not-yet-written-up character
. While the latter is not an issue as the character is approved, them demanding to know when a character will be written up is not only a further instance of impatience and rudeness but has been, in the past, precedent for them to try and unilaterally handle the character themself, and the fact it is a character from My Hero Academia, the same franchise as two previous incidents with their tendency toward unilateral edits and attempting to edit other tropers' write-ups, does not inspire faith.
resolved Is this mf a Love To Hate villain? Web Original
https://hate-sink.fandom.com/wiki/Patrick_Star_(Paka)
This is Patrick Star, from Paka's Dark SpongeBob Parodies. It's more than obvious he's a Hate Sinknote while some people may not trust FANDOM much because of some mistakes they have from time to time, they clearly discuss
every character before adding pages related to the Moral Ranking Wiki, Heroes Wiki, and Villains Wiki, since the series itself presents him as an irredeemable and dislikable, violent and cold asshole who wants nothing more than to kill SpongeBob and Junior (a baby clam, btw) at all costs (and he also basically represents the abusive husband in a toxic relationship when the sponge took the clam to his house, doubling his hatable points), whether is by killing people, threatening them at gunpoint, and -spoilers if you didn't see the animatics- making SpongeBob digs his own grave in a graveyard while having Junior in a cage.
Yet even with all this hatable and unsympathetic traits, he also has some Evil Is Cool moments when he kills an entire gang all by himself, all of the things he does to get to Sponge and Junior actually shows him how much of a clever and manipulative son of a bitch he is that accompanies his brutality (and this is Patrick, by the way), and, after the events of Part 2, he's shown to have the regenerative and cloning powers like his The Bikini Bottom Horror counterpart, which he uses to beat the crap out of and kidnap Mr. Krabs and asphyxiate Bubble Bass by making him gulp one of his parts by force, killing him and latter making a clone of himself be created, also Paka does a really good job at voicing him.
Apparently, I also saw that Hate Sinks can indeed also be "Love to Hate" characters, so he may also count.
Also sorry for all this Wall of Text.
Edited by UzarNaimBer15openNoYay for YMMV page for Sailor Moon Crystal
This entry is currently on Sailor Moon Crystal. I'm looking to fellow fans familiar with the manga and Crystal specifically for assistance with this, as the 90s anime is not pertinent. Detailed explanation forthcoming for people who aren't.
- No Yay: Unless you have an incest fetish, Chibi-Usa's crush on her father's younger self is creepy, especially after gaining an adult body, brainwashing him, and kissing him.
Well, yes. I agree that Black Lady (Chibi-Usa's transformed older self) is meant to be creepy. Chibi-Usa, however, has been misblamed as an incestuous creepy young girl in the fandom for years.
She's a Daddy's Girl with an emotionally distant mother - she loves him as a father and reveres her as an idol. Her attachment to Mamoru is simultaneously her wanting the paternal love that she suddenly is deprived of, being so far from home, and a precocious crush of the Father, I Want to Marry My Brother flavor. (She also perceives Usagi, Sailor Moon, and her mother Neo-Queen Serenity as being separate people, even though they're just the past/superhero/future self of the same person - it stands to reason that she similarly separates "Mamoru" and "Papa".)
What Wiseman did was meant to be creepy - it's a non-verbal attack on Usagi that the people she loves could be transformed against their will, their bodies twisted, their mind manipulated so they would do things that they would never, ever, in a million years even think about. Chibi-Usa was so hurt and lonely she clung to everyone who offered her kindness, and Wiseman offered her her greatest wishes: grow up, be a lady, have the kind of unconditional love and utter devotion that her father has shown her mother all their lives. Blaming her is blaming the victim.
That's a lot of text just to get to this point: How would you fix this entry? Is merely cutting the part about the fetish enough? I think it should still stay because it has a narrative point, not just there to gross out the audience (or titillate them).
Edited by annieholmesopenStrawman or InformedWrongness
- Strawman Has a Point:
- The movie paints Magnifico as narcissistic and self-interested in why he's selective about which wishes he grants, but many viewers and commentators have found that his reasons, while self-serving, do go hand in hand with ensuring peace and stability for his kingdom, which a king should strive for. While this doesn't excuse him hoarding the wishes he chooses not to grant rather than return them to their owners, much less what he does later in the story, many people find it hard to vilify him based on how he uses his powers early on, especially prior to him using dark magic and later breaking the wishes to consume their power.
- While Magnifico badly overreacts to his belief that the people of Rosas aren't giving him the proper respect, appreciation, and gratitude, it's also hard to fault him for fearing their love might not be unconditional. It's established that previous apprentices and applicants for the position often sought to use him and their positions to get him to grant their wishes or the wishes of a loved one, to the point where he was disappointed that Asha would ask him to consider granting Sabino's wish at that day's ceremony before she'd even gotten the job. And when he's trying to ask the populace for help in figuring out what the strange new magical force in the land is and who was responsible for it, everyone in the crowd is more concerned with what the situation means for their wishes than anything else; this is actually what sends him over the edge into consulting the Forbidden Book.
This was moved to Informed Wrongness as "Misuse. Magnifico is the main villain in the movie, not a Straw Character that solely exists to be wrong."
But my impression was as he was created to be the main villain he was made to ultimately be in the wrong (a lot of the movies contentions is how it had to resort to what's seen as last minute dive into full villainy to make him fully in the wrong). So is Strawman not the better fit?
If he was supposed to be more nuanced than a mere strawman, than is this really unintentional and instead Writer Cop Out?
resolved Cerebus Syndrome - does it require the work to be clearly nonserious? Western Animation
I looked under Cerebus Syndrome, and I see both Amphibia and The Owl House listed.
The Owl House started out semi-story-based, in that it was episodic but still told stories, and still took itself somewhat seriously (in that the stories were somewhat serious and there was clear worldbuilding) but had comedy. Then things ramped up near the end of season 1.
Amphibia, meanwhile, was more about random adventures, with more story in season 2, then it ramped up with Marcy's "death" at the end of season 2.
To me, these are very different things entirely. One was somewhat story-based but went to full continuing storylines. The other one was more random adventures but then jumped to having more lore and backstory, then suddenly turned dark all at once.
Looking through I see other examples that I feel aren't totally that trope. Like, there are shows that simply went from having no continuity to having continuity (a show called The Raccoons). That's not the same thing as "goes from silly random comedy to suddenly dark."
Does this trope need cleanup? Am I misunderstanding what it's about? Does it need a new description, or something to make it much more clear what is and isn't an example of Cerebus Syndrome?
openBarely explained removal on X meets Y
I noticed for the history of the Web Animation page for X meets Y one entry was removed:
- Skibidi Toilet Series is Garry's Mod meets Attack on Titan meets War of the Worlds.
The only reason the editor gave was: Removed skibidi toilet series
That's not a reason, that's just stating the obvious. The entry seemed fine by itself too.
Would it be alright for me to restore?
openavoiding 'DyeingForYourArt' edit war in Tropic Thunder
hello
Clear Air Turbulence removed an in-universe example of Dyeing for Your Art from Tropic Thunder, calling it irrelevant
i restored it and cited that it's a direct parody of movies like Saving Private Ryan, Platoon (which is one of the movies Tropic Thunder is parodying) and Band of Brothers
in a pm they said that the page only covers hair dye, but the page itself contains examples for training, boot camp, method acting, etc
can i get a consensus on this?
open Suggestion for a trope: Self Explanatory Mythical Name
So, I was thinking about this and I really don't know if it could be a trope, but I've seen it in so many things that I found it tiring, annoying, but also curious.
It is when a subject, project or creature receives a title with mythological roots without really being tied to it, simply for the fact that it sounds good and is self-explanatory about its nature. For example:
Videogame: In Evolve, by Turtle Rock Studios, every monster had a name related to a mythological beign, sometimes a monster and sometimes a human: Behemoth, Kraken, Goliath, Wraith...
Movies: In the Monsterverse, by Legendary Pictures, the other titans that aren't licensed by other franchises recebed names such as Behemoth, Scylla, Tiamat, Quetzalcoatl, Mokele mbembe (althrough this is more of a british myth rather than an african one) or Kamazots.
Is not like an adaptation of those figures, more like a self explanatory nature by name using another as refference. I'm not sure if this trope already exists, but I left the idea here, in chase someone wanted to writte about it.
resolved Donkey Kong from the Mario movie
Well, it looks like I edited a file of Donkey Kong from the link
and I find him very attractive as Mr. Fanservice himself, because of being a Hunk and doing a Pec Flex ocassionally. I think some comments were right about it. If you would make a page of Donkey Kong spin-off movie when it comes out soon on T Vtropes.com, you'd describe him "the titular character as the sex symbol on the Nintendo Cinematic Universe". So, that's why...
resolved Entire Page Typo Web Original
I was looking on the Dethroning page for Web Orginal Others and noticed that there was a very obvious typo in the title and page url, with "Original" being spelled wrong.
Is this something for a mod or admin to fix? I'm hesitant on doing this myself, not only because of how big this change would be, but I just don't know how to do that properly.
Edited by MidnightRun99resolved Poorly explained removal of Anti-Climax Boss from YMMV.Luigi's Mansion 3 Videogame
On Jan 18, 2020
, CookingCat added an example of King Boo to Luigi's Mansion 3 as an Anti-Climax Boss. They described the final boss as lackluster, having an unimpressive stage and moveset, and suffering from Fake Difficulty:
- Anti-Climax Boss: King Boo. The fight itself feels very lackluster compared to his fights in the original Luigi's Mansion and Dark Moon, and especially compared to the Boss Ghosts guarding the other character portraits, simply taking place on the roof of the hotel and having a very mediocre moveset, which especially hurts considering his presence in the early game. It doesn't help that the fight is known for it's clunkiness, Fake Difficulty and lack of polish compared to many of the others before it, especially the difficulty of launching the bombs in his mouth due to the targeting being off, the strange perspective and short period of vulnerability before he begins attacking again, and the final phase of the fight is timed, which, combined with the long length of his attacks and aforementioned short period of vulnerability, makes it easy to lose via the time running out before you even get a chance to attack him.
On Apr 1, 2020
, it was removed without any edit reason by Cman053. I was unaware of this prior edit history or CookingCat's original example.
A little more than a year later on Apr 20, 2021
, after having just finished the game myself, I re-added King Boo as an Anti-Climax Boss. While I never saw CookingCat's writeup, my own writeup incidentally echoed several of their criticisms, such as King Boo feeling lackluster in comparison to his previous fights in the series as well as earlier bosses within the same game; the fight's main "challenge" coming from trying to awkwardly aim a projectile; and spending much of the battle waiting for the boss to cycle through long attack patterns until he finally becomes vulnerable again. I also added the fact that it's a "Feed It a Bomb Three Times" boss battle that is an incredibly generic Nintendo boss formula not fitting a final boss, and the lack of a unique Game Over should the time limit run out (unlike, say, Metroid Dread) making it feel all the more anticlimactic in presentation:
- Anti-Climax Boss: After the challenging and puzzling but fairly enjoyable Hellen Gravely penultimate boss fight immediately beforehand, King Boo makes for a somewhat disappointing Final Boss. It's a fairly straightforward "Feed It a Bomb Three Times" boss battle that is more frustrating than challenging, stemming from the difficulty in aiming the bomb in King Boo's mouth. Even with King Boo spawning decoys and introducing harder attack patterns in each stage, it still ends up feeling repetitive as you're just waiting for King Boo to perform the same attacks until bombs spawn; unlike Dark Moon, there are no chase sequences to break up the battle and spice things up. Not even the time limit is enough to make it feel climactic, since there's no Non-Standard Game Over for letting time run out.
Additionally, King Boo was previously listed as an example of That One Boss by Drope. Since final bosses are exempt from That One Boss status and the example focused more on King Boo being frustrating and annoying instead of difficult, I moved that example to Goddamned Boss instead. It's still listed there as of now.
On Nov 17, 2023
, Fireball246 removed King Boo's Anti-Climax Boss example with the following edit reason: "Ignoring the fact that I’ve seen plenty of people who really liked the fight against King Boo in this game, a lot of these point feel like petty criticisms of being bad at the game rather than the boss itself being “poorly designed” or anything. This all comes across as extremely subjective and definitely doesn’t deserve to be officially labeled as an Anti-Climax Boss." But this edit reason doesn't make sense?
- "Ignoring the fact that I’ve seen plenty of people who really liked the fight against King Boo in this game..." With a quick Google search, I've also seen plenty of people who really disliked the fight. The fact that King Boo was previously listed as an Anti-Climax Boss by another editor, is currently listed as a Goddamned Boss (previously That One Boss), and isn't listed among the Best Boss Ever entries on the same YMMV page shows that other TV Tropes editors feel the same about this boss.
- "...a lot of these point feel like petty criticisms of being bad at the game..." I'm definitely not a "pro gamer", but I beat King Boo on my first try with plenty of health and time left. My criticisms of the boss have nothing to do with supposedly "being bad at the game". If anything, I thought the boss was too easy if you strip away the janky aiming and the long waiting periods (both of which are criticized by other players), which adds to the boss being anticlimactic.
- "...rather than the boss itself being “poorly designed” or anything..." Again, the example focuses on King Boo being generic, repetitive, and full of waiting instead of being unique, exciting, and challenging. These are criticisms of the boss design itself, not the player's skill level.
- "This all comes across as extremely subjective..." This is YMMV, of course it's subjective. As long as it isn't a minority opinion or just flat-out factually incorrect, it's fair game.
I sent Fireball246 a "deleting YMMV" notifier on Friday, but although they've clearly been active on TV Tropes this weekend, they haven't responded or acknowledged the PM. Since I was the last one to add the Anti-Climax Boss example, I can't undo their removal (or re-add the example with greater emphasis on "anticlimax" rather than "frustrating") without edit warring. Please advise.
openAdding memes that bash a rival game?
First, I don't know what to do for now regarding GRD's edits on YMMV.Wuthering Waves, as seen in this edit history
.
For context, there is indeed a Fandom Rivalry going on between fans of Wuthering Waves and Genshin Impact because the former is labeled as a "Genshin Clone" and had an unfortunate messy launch.
These are the Memetic Mutation entries GRD has added:
- "DEV'S LISTENED!" ExplanationBecause of the sheer amount of optimization issues and bugs, not to mention a plot and dialogue that most found to be...lame. A lot of WuWa players, specifically content creators, started making videos on how the developers of Wuthering Waves, Kuro Games, are "listening to player's feedback in order to fix the game." Detractors immediately ran with this, making memes and mocking them since it is not that far off from a coping mechanism.
- "Why would Genshin do this?"/"Psshhh....Hoyoverse spy here...." ExplanationA meme relating to WuWa's rivalry with Genshin Impact. But whenever something bad happens in Wuthering Waves, expect people to sarcastically type this to make fun of WuWa fans accusing miHoYo of sabotage.
- Genshin killer? No. Genshin symbiosis? Yes.ExplanationBecause of how unoptimised Wuthering Waves was, players from the CN region started to shitpost that the only way to properly optimize WuWa was to use Genshin's cache cleaner to run in the background to properly play the game. The whole idea of using your rival's far more optimized cache cleaner in order to run your game properly was so absurd - like some sort of bizarre software symbiosis - that both the Genshin and WuWa communities found it to be absolutely hilarious in all the wrong ways. It has to be seen to be believed.
- Stuttering Waves/Withering Waves/etc ExplanationAnother set of memes poking fun at Wuthering Waves....notorious framerate and performance optimization issues. Much derision and mockery was made at the game's expanse.
There's a dilemma here. On one hand, most of these memes have already spread enough that simple Google Searching will prove that they exist, but on the other hand, their current explanations only come off as bashing Wuthering Waves more in order to praise Genshin Impact. I think we can keep at least some of them but either trim down the bashing or rewrite them to be more neutral, especially because some memes (like "Genshin Symbiosis") are shared between the two fandoms despite the rivalry because they find it hilarious enough.
The other edit that GRD made in YMMV.Wuthering Waves is adding and crosswicking a Fandom Rivalry entry with Tower of Fantasy, which is mostly okay (because it's true that there's also a rivalry between the two games), but again, it also mentions Genshin at the end.
At first, I would've just wanted to fix the formatting or grammar, but the way GRD currently wrote them came off as very negative. I would've also either PM'd GRD or took the examples to the Memes cleanup thread
first, but looking at the ATT, several posts were already about GRD, such as making other questionable MemeticMutation additions
, Memes about Content Leaks
, or duplicating the Memes
of Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance.
Second, memes that revolve around Fandom Rivalry aren't exclusive to a specific troper like GRD or games like Wuthering Waves and Genshin Impact. If you look at Memes.Honkai Star Rail, for example, the "Genshin could never" meme talks about a Fandom Rivalry between Genshin Impact and Honkai: Star Rail because the latter received many QoL features that fans of the former have been wishing. However, the meme's explanation itself also says both fandoms have grown sick of the joke.
Looking at the edit history
, it was added by Atmos Blitzer and edited by Skye Ride 001.
I don't know if adding that is okay even if it doesn't sound like bashing the game, as the header or note in Memes.Honkai Star Rail says "Fandom drama on any social media platform, as it's considered drama importation." isn't allowed...
Also, just like what I said in the Wuthering Waves part above, the "Genshin Could Never" meme is indeed being used and a simple search on the Internet proves it.
Third, Memes.Genshin Impact already had several Memes about Fandom Rivalry too, which again, mention Honkai: Star Rail and Wuthering Waves.
- Your feedback will be used to improve Honkai: Star Rail instead ExplanationStar Rail seems to have corrected most of Genshin's shortcomings. The Trailblazer has meaningful alternate dialogue options, and possesses a meta-defining Harmony kit. Trailblaze Power (the Resin equivalent) has a higher cap (240), faster recharge (1 per 6 minutes) and an automatic overcap mechanic (Reserve Trailblaze Power) instead of being wasted if it hits the cap. The free Battle Pass grants an item that guarantees the main stat of a Relic (Artifact equivalents). There are three endgame modes: Forgotten Hall (standard Spiral Abyss equivalent), Simulated Universe (roguelike) and Pure Fiction (multi-target Spiral Abyss equivalent)— the last of which salvages multi-target characters who were left out in an anti-boss endgame meta. The reward for 300 standard banner pulls is a free standard banner 5★ unit of the player's choice. Celebratory rewards are also far more generous, including a free and powerful limited 5★ unit (Dr. Ratio) for all players in celebration of Star Rail winning multiple awards in 2023. While many of these can be attributed to Star Rail being a new game on a clean slate, players wonder why corresponding quality-of-life, endgame and reward improvements don't seem to be coming to Genshin.
- Genshin could never ExplanationA related meme that began spreading like wildfire after the announcement of a free Dr. Ratio during Star Rail's 1.6 special program. Many Star Rail and former Genshin players gloats at how Genshin could never do what Star Rail does better. However, it also depends on who should respond to as it can piss off Genshin players and some Star Rail players who is still playing Genshin of which they are many.
- Genshin could never... launch a game in this stateExplanationIn addition to the Star Rail fanbase, the Wuthering Waves fandom also frequently used that phrase to generate hype for their game as a "Genshin killer" that was superior combat, endgame and more generous developers. However, Wuthering Waves' release on the 23rd of May, 2024 was riddled with controversy. The game was clearly not ready for release due to its numerous glitches, bugs, performance issues and hilariously bad localisation. The "Genshin killer"'s flop caused many players to reflect back on Genshin's extremely smooth and almost bug-less launch back in 2020, with "Genshin could never" being repurposed to praise Genshin instead.
- Genshin is the stepchild of Mihoyo's games ExplanationStar Rail improving on the standard set by Genshin on top of generous free rewards such as the aforementioned free Dr. Ratio has caused some players to make this joke/comment about the differences in management of both games.
- Genshin finally could ExplanationThe Version 4.7 Developer's Discussion announced a surprise increase of the Original Resin cap to 200, which finally allows players to log in and consume Resin once a day without risking an overcap. Next, the Version 4.7 livestream formally revealed Imaginarium Theater, the first new permanent endgame activity since launch. Combined with the unoptimized launch of Wuthering Waves in the same time period, players cheered how Genshin was finally stepping up on gameplay improvements and showing its polish relative to competitors.
- Genshin could never ExplanationA related meme that began spreading like wildfire after the announcement of a free Dr. Ratio during Star Rail's 1.6 special program. Many Star Rail and former Genshin players gloats at how Genshin could never do what Star Rail does better. However, it also depends on who should respond to as it can piss off Genshin players and some Star Rail players who is still playing Genshin of which they are many.
- The World of Warcraft of gacha games / Genshin wins by doing absolutely nothingExplanationBeing by far the most prominent gacha game and considered the representative of the genre, frequent memes have popped up comparing Genshin's influence to that of WoW, deservedly so. Likewise, memes also emerged comparing "Genshin killers" to "WoW killers" due to the many open world action RPG gacha games that attempted to challenge Genshin, all predictably failing. The most famous being that of Tower of Fantasy and Wuthering Waves, both releasing with numerous bugs and unstable performance, the former having already fallen into obscurity as of 2024 and the latter being additionally criticised for its writing, localisation problems and monotonous dubbing.
- Genshin killer? No. Genshin symbiosis? Yes.ExplanationBecause of how unoptimised Wuthering Waves was, players from the CN region started to shitpost that the only way to properly optimise WuWa was to use Genshin's cache cleaner to run in the background to properly play the game. The whole idea of using your rival's far more optimised cache cleaner in order to run your game properly was so absurd - like some sort of bizarre software symbiosis - that both the Genshin and WuWa communities found it to be absolutely hilarious in all the wrong ways. It has to be seen to be believed.
- Genshin killer? No. Genshin symbiosis? Yes.ExplanationBecause of how unoptimised Wuthering Waves was, players from the CN region started to shitpost that the only way to properly optimise WuWa was to use Genshin's cache cleaner to run in the background to properly play the game. The whole idea of using your rival's far more optimised cache cleaner in order to run your game properly was so absurd - like some sort of bizarre software symbiosis - that both the Genshin and WuWa communities found it to be absolutely hilarious in all the wrong ways. It has to be seen to be believed.
Like the Star Rail memes page, Memes.Genshin Impact also has a note saying that it disallows Fandom Drama.
At this rate, I'm also inclined to know what the editors of the Memes.Genshin Impact and Memes.Honkai Star Rail pages count as "Fandom Drama". I mean, why bother putting a notice like that on a Memes subpage only to later add and crosswick Memes about Fandom Rivalry?
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I have a concern about a recent group of edits from the user wonderpix45. Basically, they edited the page for Characters.Lost Main Survivors four times, seemingly just to trash the character of Libby. Among other things, they removed entries for TheHeart and HairOfGoldHeartOfGold as "incorrect assertions"
, edited the entry for The Shrink to say she's a "self-proclaimed" psychiatrist when there's no indication she's lying about her profession, added a Truth Twister entry to nitpick things she says (in a conversation where she's convincing someone not to kill himself and is very clearly using turns of phrases that the user is taking literally), and changing a Nice Girl entry to "zig-zagged" and saying that her romantic relationship with Hurley is depicted as "questionable" (this is, quite frankly, not true - they are treated as soulmates for the entire show, including the finale which the entry itself acknowledges). Along the way, they've had some questionable grammar and put multiple tropes in the wrong alphabetical order. I would normally go to the Discussion page, but these edits are four of the user's five total edits, which makes me think an agenda is in play.
I don't know what the procedure is when I'm contesting this many entries at once, especially due to concerns about an agenda - can I outright ask for a mod revert, should I just revert it all myself, or is there a third option I don't know about?
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