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openStarting a thread for Self Demonstrating Character Pages
It's a common thing for Self-Demonstrating character pages to get cut for not meeting the specific conditions regarding pages, as quoted directly from the page:
- Does the character have an interesting speech pattern?
- Does a specific quirk of that character translate well to an article?
- Does the character have a unique personality, not a stock character type, that can be maintained for the entirety of the page?
However, a key problem is that there is a small amount of users who don't really look into these conditions, which is why some pages later get cut for not meeting them.
I believe that we need a thread to help brainstorm ideas for which characters should get Self-Demonstrating Character Pages, and find ways to make them work within the conditions laid out on the page. Perhaps we could provide tips on how to make a character come off as less "generic" when writing a page coming from their point of view. I don't know which forum the possible thread could belong to, but that could also be a question to be answered.
openTrope removal on Um Jammer Lammy
In February, MrAnonimo removed
this entry from Trivia.Um Jammer Lammy without any reason.
- Word of Gay: Rodney Greenblat responded to a fan's inquiry by saying that he would love to see Lammy and Katy as a couple
, and would incorporate it into the story if he was ever asked to design a new Lammy game. Later on, he drew a piece for Valentine's Day where they play a love song together
. Most fans have taken this as his confirmation that Lammy and Katy are in a relationship.
The removal strikes me as odd, since Greenblat is one of the series' creators and the entry fits the trope. While I noticed that two of MrAnonimo's edits seem to be removing entries regarding Lammy and Katy's relationship, the content removed didn't fit (entries for Les Yay and Fan-Preferred Couple that don't fit if they've been confirmed as dating, and natter on a Self-Fanservice entry) so I don't see anything off.
Should I re-add the entry?
openShould there be a separate thread for 'Woman bites Woman' ?
Woman bites woman
A variation of man bites man. Not many examples on that thread.
I found a few examples for movies:
The heroine and villain both bite each other in Friday the 13th (1980)
Christina Applegate bites Cameron Diaz's foot in The Sweetest Thing (2002).
Kiele Sanchez bites Milla Jovovich's wrist to free herself in A Perfect Getaway(2009)
Neve Campbell bites Hannah Quinlivan's hand to free herself in Skyscraper (2018).
For Live Action TV shows:
Mary Louise Parker bites Tonye Patano's hand in a brief fight in Weeds(2005)
Jaime Pressly bites Juliette Lewis' wrist in a brief fight in My Name is Earl (2005).
openDoes Silvers Rayleigh (One Piece) count as an example of "World's Strongest Man"? Anime
Another user and I are having a disagreement over whether or not he constitutes the trope, at least when he was at his prime strength. My argument comes from the fact that, as a character, he was the right hand of the former strongest man, Gol D. Roger, and that he often leverages his reputation as a warrior of legendary renown to bluff enemies out of battles. While he's no longer at his peak, at one point he was decidedly in the running as being the strongest.
I also pointed out that the trope itself does not come from a defined character tier list, but rather, someone who is considered in story as being a contender for the strongest. Additionally, I noted that other characters (both in One Piece and not) have the trope applied to them despite there being other contenders for the title of "the" strongest.
What are everyone's thoughts on the matter?
Edited by WindraysopenSomething in Muppets (2015) That Never Actually Happened? Live Action TV
So I recall something in the page for The Muppets (2015) that's been there for a while now.
- Big Eater:
- Piggy gorges herself on a basket of cheeses after Fozzie manages to break through her emotional barriers by accident.
- Kermit is revealed to be a stress eater. He even asks for more food after eating so much that he can't move.
While I can confirm it's true Kermit is a stress eater, I can't find anywhere else that brings up a part where "He even asks for more food after eating so much that he can't move." and I've looked through the episodes and it doesn't seem to happen. Did I miss something, or did somebody put up misinfo for the sake of troping with one hand? (considering what 'eating so much they can't move' usually means.)
Edited by RedBerryBlueCherryopenNOPE discrepancy?
How come on Internet Backdraft it says that Fandom Heresy is No On-Page Examples, but there are on-page examples on Fandom Heresy itself?
Edited by moxedenresolved Jump Scare Video Example
One of the policies for the Jump Scare trope is that no video examples of it are allowed. Someone accepted a video of it, apparently. Same thing happened with the Potty Failure trope a while back.
Could one of the mods remove the trope link from the video itself?
Edited by HarmonyBunny2000resolved Resolving issue on Character page for Characters/ChainsawManDenji
On June 15th
, I added an entry for an averted case of Double Standard: Rape, Female on Male. On June 28th, Tropers/tetesuper0 removed it without providing an edit reason, upon which I restored it without triggering an edit war by reason of "Deleted without reason
". 5 Hours later, tetesuper0 removed it again, with the reason of "In charter 169 denji don't see the handjob as a Bad experience". I believe this counts as an Edit War on their part.
Even then, I don't really think that reason counts considering the context, namely that Denji has been known to try and embrace ignorance to avoid the sheer hell that is his life, and is a very mentally damaged young man who had just been in the midst of a mental breakdown, and has demonstrated self-loathing and even self-harm to avoid dwelling on the negative thoughts, so him thinking he enjoyed it falls in line with him rationalizing the experience so as to not completely shut down, supported by how, when they go to the sushi restaurant immediately after, he's largely on autopilot until he realizes Barem Bridge, the asshole who killed his pets, burned his apartment down, and possibly killed his adoptive sister, is sitting right next to him, with his immediate response being to try and stab him with a pair of chopsticks.
And even then, the incident itself was rape. Neither Denji nor Asa consented to Yoru taking control of Asa and using her body to give Denji a handjob.
Edited by RebelFalconopenA troper who posted extremely biased and outright fabricated edits due to shipping bias Videogame
I saw troper Sayacha change several YMMV entries on Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth and even wrote on Ship Sinking (videogames) that had very biased takes and even blatant lies. I felt compelled to delete and undo their edits, especially the claim on the Ship Sinking page. As I've said there, the claim that protagonist Cloud Strife "friend zones" Aerith Gainsborough in the final chapter of Rebirth is complete fabrication. There are two ways their conversation can go, based on Relationship Values. He either enthusiastically looks forward to going on a date with her again, or responds with less enthusiasm, but he never outright rejects her. Writing that Aerith "probably realized she doesn't like him romantically" is another very biased reading. All she said was that she really likes Cloud but is unsure yet what kind of "like" she feels. It's a deliberately vague response. Anyone with common sense and an objective mind can see that what I say is true by looking at Youtube videos of that scene on Chapter 14.
Sayacha also claimed on both Ship Sinking and the YMMV page that developer's commentary on a book (Ultimania) allegedly said that Aerith was "certainly killed off again" and that developers "confirmed" it themselves. Another blatant fabrication. I checked the claim and the only thing that came up from every non-biased fan translator who translated that Japanese book was that the developers deliberately designed the outcome of Aerith's fate as of Rebirth to be vague and mysterious. Did she die? Is the Aerith shown "alive" afterwards a mere illusion by Cloud? Or is there something more going on? The game's story introduces the concept of Alternate Self and what appears to be Alternate worlds. There are no details yet revealed as to how this phenomena occurs within the lore of FF 7 but it's there. And the developers made a deliberate narrative choice to keep the ending of the game ambiguous and leaving the story full of questions in order to entice players to look forward to the next entry for answers. Ask yourselves. What kind of writer/developer would be incompetent enough to spend YEARS of development time to deliberately create an ambiguous situation to create speculation for the next few years, only to go a couple of months later and say "Actually, nothing changed. LOL"?
I'm also reporting this because I regretfully ended up engaging in an edit war on the YMMV page by deleting/reverting Sayacha's biased edits back to the more neutral posts. However, the main reason I'm reporting this is because I'm seeing another bad sign that the FF 7 pages are about to be swarmed with another wave of edit warring by extremely biased shippers intent on spreading their agenda with bad faith justifications. We've seen this nightmare before in the original 1997 version of FF 7. It may be best to take preventive measures by locking down the pages of FF 7 Remake and Rebirth too until the third and final game finally clarifies everything.
open Super Drowning Skills page is written only for Video Games?
The details only talk about how video games tend to make water a death hazard you don't walk into. Which definitely is a trope in itself - but can really only apply to video games. Yet the examples talk about instances when a character can't swim, how it plays into the story, et cetera. Which isn't hinted at by the trope page. I feel like the ability to swim in itself, as a trope, should be elaborated on on that page, or listed as a separate page.
openPage for the Eras Tour?
The Eras Tour by Taylor Swift is a creative entity in and of itself, with performance, entertainment, theatrical, and storytelling elements, (I'd go so far as to say it resembles a variety/vaudeville show and with musical theatre influences), and has been released as a film. Should I make a separate page for it, and gather tropes from the live performances of the songs there, instead of leaving them scattered around the albums?
openElden Ring DLC gets its own Video Game page Videogame
So Elden Ring: Shadow of the Erdtree suddenly got a separate page under the video game page (VideoGame.Elden Ring Shadow Of The Erdtree). While I'm not sure it's the right namespace to be used, it feels like it's jumping the gun separating itself so quickly.
The only other times this happened was with Cyberpunk 2077: Phantom Liberty, which fleshed out well enough, and The Witcher 3, which treated them as continuations of the "Tropes A-Z" subpage creation but that comes with consistency issues.
My question is, do we really need to separate the Elden Ring's DLC from the base game in this instance?
openRecreating a Self Demonstrating page
I'd like to recreate the Self Demonstrating page for Daniel Fenton / Danny Phantom, which had been cut for being a "boring" stub. I'd personally like to completely re-do it from scratch (maybe by trying to make it actually reflective of how he speaks and acts), and actually make it a worthwhile read. Would it be wise for me to recreate the page?
openI think I am part of an edit war by accident.
So, on SeasonalRot.Doctor Who, I was editing an entry but then I looked at the history and I feel like I am part of an edit war by forgetting I already edited the same entry in a similar way. Basically, the fallowing happened:
- Lilybelle added
emphasis (two ('')) around the word "still".
- I removed
it because I felt the emphasis was not needed but I for got to put an edit reason.
- Lilybelle added
emphasis (three (''')) again without an edit reason or discussing it anywhere.
- I removed
the new form of emphasis, this time with an edit reason.
Did I edit war? If so, I would like to report myself for punishment.
openIdentifying Few tropes that I need to write for two series Print Comic
Hey, I am asking if anyone know some few tropes, so I can write them for two series like Cleopatra in Space and Making Friends
- Which trope has a person who was cursed is killed by their loved one said their last words “Thank You” before reverting back to normal in death like Octavian (formerly Gozi) who is killed by Cleo with the Sword of Kebechet and his last words were “Thank you” before being reduced to dust?
For Making Friends
- Which is the prison trope for Madison when she is only trapped in a dressing room and only be filmed for the show My Magical Best Friend?
- Which tropes have Mortha a moon goblin who disguised herself as Linda, Dany’s mom as she is homesick for her home world the moon and would have an ambition to own a moon yacht with her sister Xanther?
- Which trope takes place in the final pages where Madison and Dany find a graphic novel in the dream world that chronicles their life called Magic Friends similar to Making Friends hinting that Dany might one day make a graphic novel based on her experience throughout the series ?
- Which is a trope Daphne st cloud had a crush on Prince Neptune ?
openPermission to cut a character page (due to citation issues) Videogame
In Characters.Death End Re Quest Code Z, there are a few entries that cite the official website
(the website has an 18+ warning due to graphic violence). However, in the upcoming works thread
, it was confirmed that official websites do not count (due to, to quote the post, "If something is present solely in commentary made by a work's creator or someone involved in its making, but is not present in the work itself, it cannot serve as the sole source for examples."). It's thanks to this that I also hid some tropes on the main page Death end re;Quest Code Z.
I've already made a sandbox for the characters so I'm asking if it is ok to cut the character and reinstate it once the game is released.
Edited by Ayumi-chan

I moved a Excellent Judge of Character entry from Recap.Sonic The Hedgehog IDW Phantom Riders Arc to Characters.Sonic The Hedgehog IDW The Restoration, re-writing and removed the pothole, as I thought it was misuse and believed the trope entry itself was better for the character page.
However, this recent edit
potholed Deal with the Devil for this entry under Excellent Judge of Character.
I believe it's misuse since the character himself isn't a devil, just a shady businessman, and the character, Clutch, has no analogues or parallels to a devil or satan.
The troper also put their edit reason as "Trope was cut/disambiguated due to cleanup" which isn't correct either.
At the risk of starting an edit war, is it reasonable to remove the pothole because it's misuse?
Edited by taotruths