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openRegarding the deleted autism examples
This thread: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=147690&type=att
about a troper mass-removing references to autism has been locked as resolved, so I'm opening a new thread for this question.
The thread mentions that one of the deleted entries (on the Real Life section of Little Professor Dialog) mentioned Dr. Asperger himself, so I looked it up out of curiosity on what he'd said. I ended up reinstating the entry after rewriting it to, hopefully, be a bit more carefully worded (after all, it discusses diagnostic criteria). It now reads like this:
- The Little Professor speech is one of the traits associated with Asperger Syndrome. Dr. Hans Asperger, who identified the condition, would playfully refer to his patients who had it as "the little professors". Note that people may speak like this for many reasons, so by itself this is not necessarily a sign of autism.
But I'm having second thoughts. Is this, apart from the Dr. Asperger quote, a useful example of how the trope can occur in real life, or is it just on the level of gossip that encourages armchair diagnoses? Do we want these kind of Real Life entries? Just looking for input before we start restoring the deleted examples, because there may be more like this.
Edited by GnomeTitanresolved Assistance with Example/Crosswick Anime
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ColdTouchSurprise
Someone added a video to Cold Touch Surprise. Now, the video fits the trope well, as far as I'm concerned. However, whoever added it didn't do an example write up for the series it depicts, and I myself am not familiar enough with the work to be sure I get all the respective details correct.
Would anyone familiar with the series please add the write up and crosswick it?
Edited by QPCwBresolved Removal of references to autism and Aspergers
Hi folks. Recently I've noticed that Trial Purple Cube has been going through tropes and removing any examples that pertain to autism or Aspergers, claiming it's "cleaning up word cruft." I agree that some of the entries could stand to be looked at, but these are entire deletions without reason (including an entry that discusses Dr. Asperger himself).
I've sent several notifiers, and normally would just revert and move on, but this is a hot button issue so wanted to get community consensus first. It seems to be a Single-Issue Wonk for this user as well, as it makes up all but two entries of their six-month account history.
Edited by Faelwynresolved DisillusionedCheetah100 spiraling Western Animation
Hi. I hope this is not the wrong place to report this but Disillusioned Cheetah 100 has been lashing out at people who tried to help him in his obscure Dr. Rabbit and Toon definition threads. He says he doesn't like people "correcting" or "helping" him and says they just want him to think and behave like them, while also saying people use "moronic excuses" and lie about wanting to help him.
He's doing the same spamming that resulted in his previous suspension wrapped up in a persecution complex and saying he wishes he could delete his threads (then when people say he just needs to holler a mod he doubles down on insulting himself and saying people hate him or are annoyed by him.) I am honestly worried about this guy's mental health based on his forum behavior.
resolved Edit war on the Tear Jerker Kirby and the Forgotten Land page Videogame
Troper Back Set 1 added this entry
to the game's Tear Jerker page on April 11th, 2022:
When Elfilin is kidnapped, he actually calls out Kirby's name (or rather, his Japanese name).
On May 5th, 2022, I altered it to not only correct a grammatical error but also removed the part in brackets - listed above in italics - with the edit summary: "It's literally just the name "Kirby" pronounced as you would in Japanese. It's still Kirby at the end of the day, through and through." The only reason it's said like you would say it in Japanese is because Elfilin's voice actress is Japanese herself and the game was developed in Japan.
And then on March 19th, 2023, BackSet1 edit warred by readding the exact previously removed information in a different form
with the summary: "Just kind of felt this was worth noting."
Personally, I'm in favour of altering the "calls out his name in Japanese" bit to what I did back in May 2022, not only for the reasons I specified over three years ago, but also because Kirby's name is the exact same in Japanese as it is in English. The only differences are how it's often pronounced in Japanese and how it's often written in Japanese. But since I already removed said information the first time it came up, if I were to do it again, I myself would also be in edit war territory and could risk a suspension. As for notifiers, I couldn't find a single one that best fits the situation so I decided to bring up the issue here. Other than that, any advice as to what should be done here?
P.S. As for why I'm only now reporting this over two years later...I just noticed it today and, after noticing it, thought I should bring some attention to this sooner rather than later.
resolved Was there a consensus for this edit? Western Animation
This was added in The Owl House - Emperor Belos:
- Seven Deadly Sins: Fittingly for a Satanic Archetype and ironically for a heavily implied devout Puritan, Belos is actually guilty of all seven of them.
- Wrath: He's not loud about it, but his murder of Caleb and of his grimwalker clones all stem from his anger towards Caleb for "leaving" him for a witch and refusing to repent and, for the girmwalkers, betraying him as he believes Caleb did.
- Lust: Despite showing no interest in anyone, Belos does have a lust for fame and glory as a great Witch Hunter General. This on top of his implied lust for attention given that he in part murdered Caleb for "abandoning" him for Evelyn.
- Pride: Perhaps the most fitting, he truly believes himself to be the great Witch Hunter General he's dreamed of being since childhood and it was Caleb spending time with his witch lover instead of him that would eventually motivate Philip to murder him. Tying into the above lust for glory, being the Witch Hunter General would also offer him no shortage of adulation and attention, per the Sin of Pride's meaning.
- Sloth: Insofar as Belos is morally apathetic as he certainly not slothful in pursuing his goals. He does not care in the least that what he's doing is wrong, even though on some level he's realized it is. All he cares about at this point is succeeding because otherwise all his other sins and atrocities will have been for nothing.
- Greed: Not so much for material wealth, not that he lacks that as Emperor, but Belos is an innately selfish person who intends to enjoy whatever spoils of his victory may come by himself seeing as he plans on killing off all of his Witch and Demon allies as part of his plan. The only possible exception being Luz if she would take his offer to join her.
- Gluttony: This one is more induced, but he needs to consume more and more Palismen to stay alive long enough to complete his plans and he has no qualms with over indulging if it means he lives just a little longer.
- Envy: In a more platonic sense than usual, but envy is the disire for something someone else possesses. In this case, Philip was a Green-Eyed Monster towards Evelyn for taking Caleb away from him and projected that envy and hatred towards the Boiling Isles as a whole. And as is so often the case, his sin of Envy lead to him commiting all the others.
- And on a certain level, Belos has even commited the lesser known eighth sin from Orthodox Christianity: Despair. Despite having realized, on some level, after centuries of atrocities and sin that he's in the wrong Belos refuses any and all offers to change or even simply give up and instead convinces himself that no matter how wrong it is, he has to destory the Boiling Isles and everyone on it if for no other reason that to make all his sins worth it.
Even though the hidden comment stated this.
- Seven Deadly Sins Do not add back without consensus.
That comment was deleted in a later edit, but there doesn't seemed to be a link showcasing the consensus and feels like the comment was deliberately ignored.
openProblematic edits
So troper Shadowking 5423 recently made the page for Vampires, Trolls and Witches OH MY!!. Myself and another troper made some edits related to their work and sent them notifiers to help improve their formatting and grammar. However, when I checked back earlier, I found that they reverted an edit the other troper had made in favor of an edit that had both grammar and indentation issues. This shows that they are either not understanding or not getting the edit notes myself and the other troper have sent. I don't want this to break into an edit war, but I also would like some help on how to get through to this guy/
Shadowking 5423's edit history for the fic: Here
My edit history: Here
Other troper's edit history: Here
openWanting to avoid an edit war
This was deleted and replaced from YMMV.The Legend Of Heroes Trails Through Daybreak:
- Memetic Loser: Prior to the release of the first Daybreak game, Elaine received ridicule among some fans, whether it be because they either thought she was won't be Van's Love Interest due to her status as his Childhood Friend and Agnès being billed as the game's main heroine or being Overshadowed by Awesome by Shizuna. She did manage to shake off that reputation regarding the former when the game itself shows that Van has more romantic tension with her than any of the other girls.
I feel like in cases like these, it can be kept as a historical example but I wanna make sure cause I don't wanna cause any drama.
resolved Potential edit war and unneeded “word cruft” cleaning in TabletopGame/SLAIndustries
A troper named mcghie68 (apologies if that didn’t format right) has been constantly undoing edits under the reason of “word cruft”, but in the process removing the actual information in the edits as opposed to simply cleaning grammar. Now, initially I thought this was an abundance of caution given SLA Industries and its notoriously convoluted canon history and leaks, but now it is affecting edits I know were okayed by Word of God as officially published books that are still available and still canon, like Threat Analysis: Collateral or the skirmish game Cannibal Sector 1.
Edit for clarification: I noted a brewing Edit War in my last edit, but have not notified them yet, as given said canon issues, I wanted to make sure myself (a lot of edits were removed based on them being in a backer beta, not a yet-published book).
Edited by Lelielresolved Troper with character wonks Anime
cotton-cloud22 appears to have this wonk regarding Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba of defending Zenitsu and bashing Obanai.
- Added a Draco in Leather Pants entry
for Obanai that, while not in itself wrong, used all caps to call him “WORSE” than Zenitsu AND a Misaimed Fandom entry complaining about the fandom not realizing Obanai is worse than Zenitsu. I have since moved the entry to Ron the Death Eater to focus more on Zenitsu’s demonization in the fandom and removed mentions of Obanai.
- This Unintentionally Unsympathetic entry on Obanai
isn’t too bad in isolation, but worth mentioning for their wonk against him and how it seems to take his gags too seriously.
- Speaking of taking gags too seriously, after I removed a Karmic Overkill entry for Yoshiteru (Zenitsu’s descendant) that bashed how Obanai’s reincarnation treated him since I felt it was misuse as a gag moment, they re-added it
.
- Complainy ship-to-ship combat entries
(I’ve since reworded them to sound more neutral).
- All their edits on the Fandom-Enraging misconception
subpage feel less like straightforward examples and more of rants against people who dislike Zenitsu. Also includes another all caps claiming Obanai is “WORSE” regarding jealousy which just feels like a shoehorn. (On a side note I think the Fandom-Enraging Misconception subpage for Demon Slayer as a whole needs a clean-up, it’s pretty messy).
resolved Useful Notes - AI Boom? Web Original
Just stumbled across this new page and feel like it could use some discussion. It seems to have been quietly launched a little over a week ago, in more or less its current form.
For one thing, I see a few suspicious signs that the text might be AI-generated itself; notice the em dashes, the lists of three items, "from x to y", the vague adjectives.... plus it's pretty poorly organized.
Be that as it may, it takes a weirdly hyped tone, almost self-congratulatory, and only glancingly touches on some of the huge controversies in the creative world around AI and LLMs. Obviously it's a hot-button topic that evokes strong feelings for many, including being a central point of contention in the most recent WGA and SAG-AFTRA strikes... but there I go. Point being, the page as it is seems like one person's opinion that doesn't do a good enough job at taking multiple perspectives into account. It lacks a lot of specifics about the technology and the discussions around it as it exists.
That's assuming we even want/need such a page, honestly I fear Flame Bait in its future.
What do we think should be done with it: Cutlist it, expand it, find some more contributors and entry pimps to balance it out?
Edited by JeduthunopenPlaying With Trivia/YMMV Cleanup?
I have been noticing a ton of Trivia and YMMV pages that have entries playing with these types of tropes, despite the fact that YMMV and Trivia tropes cannot be played with. Is there a sort of cleanup thread for this issue? If not, then I might as well consider starting one myself, since I do want to remove and fix these types of entries.
Previously Toko WH
resolved Are Steam Community Market tips allowed in Boring But Practical? Videogame
I was thinking of adding some of the general advise traders use to Boring, but Practical but I'm not sure if that's allowed since it deals with real world money. Also not entirely sure where it would be put. I'm not sure if video games fit considering Steam itself isn't really a video game.
openChanging the title on Rabbit Ears Productions Page Western Animation
So, I was wondering about how do I change the title on a trope page? I wanted to change the title on the Rabbit Ears Productions page to Rabbit Ears Entertainment, since Rabbit Ears Productions was the old title name that the company had for itself during the 1980s and the 1990s. Nowadays, they go by the name Rabbit Ears Entertainment.
openPermission to a re-add some things from an entry of mine that's been condensed Western Animation
A while ago, I added this entry to This Image Is Not an Example:
- Intercom Villainy: The image depicts Alastor in his radio station from the "Stayed Gone" song sequence in the Hazbin Hotel episode "Radio Killed the Video Star". Point is, although Alastor is a villain, he's the Token Evil Teammate of the show's heroes rather than an enemy of them, and in context he has never used his radio system to properly talk to enemies in the usual ways implied by the trope (rather, he uses it to terrorize the inhabitants of Hell and make any feats he succeeds at known). Plus, the aforementioned song sequence involves him joining midway through "Stayed Gone" to interrupt Vox's (the enemy in context, and one of the actual antagonists) performance and curb-stomp the latter's attempt at damaging his public image, with the audience being supposed to root for Alastor rather than Vox.
Some time later, Amonimus heavily condensed
the entry for being too long when compared to other entries on the page.
- Intercom Villainy: The trope is about a villain taunting the hero from a safe location. During the scene, Alastor is a Nominal Hero, who mocks Vox, his rival and an actual villain, on public media.
I noticed that the condensed entry now lacks a link to the work page in question like most other entries on the page do (plus some important aspects regarding the trope itself), so I'd like to change it to this:
- Intercom Villainy: The trope is about a villain taunting the hero from a safe location via a remote communication system. During the scene from Hazbin Hotel, Alastor (the character pictured in the image), a Nominal Hero, mocks Vox, his rival and an actual villain, on public media, in the middle of a Quarreling Song between the two.
May I go ahead with the change? I'm asking because I had previously included the pothole in the original entry pre-condensation, and want to make it clear that I'm not intending to start an Edit War.
Edited by Inky100openWhen whole scenes of a movie are published before the movie itself Film
I've been looking at Creating A Work Page For An Unreleased Work. Either I'm missing something or it doesn't mention cases where scenes are published on, say, YouTube (almost) in full before the movie itself did. For example, TRON: Ares.
These started with more higher-profile "movie channels", so I'm not sure if it counts as a Content Leak.
Edited by DoomTayopenWhy this human posture (Butt in the Air/ Knee-Chested Posture) is not in tvtropes.org? Anime
Full Question: Why this human posture (Butt in the Air/ Knee-Chested Posture) is not in tvtropes.org? Please make it have a page in it.
The posture sample:
another sample:
https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2F263ht8nqple51.jpg%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3D3a8dfb23855ec68ee082c87887fa0a78076e7434
This posture is almost present in Cartoons, video-games.... heck alot in anime nowadays for laughs. sometimes for *ahem arousement...
resolved Ban evader? Web Original
Longing Buffalo 400 has just started editing today, and I noticed some pretty suspicious patterns:
- Their username has a similar structure to that of Ikea Alien 209 (random words + 3-digit numbers)
- Some of their
entries have
grammatical mistakes
not too far off from what Ikea used to do.
openBadass Decay Playing With misuse?
This was recently added to YMMV.Star Wars Clone Wars:
- Badass Decay: Ventress is first seen to eliminate her competition without even really trying, but in a manner that made her seem efficient and terrifying in combat, which appears again when dispatching Anakin's clone force. However, against Dooku and Anakin himself, she is first handily beaten and then ended up soundly losing in her only other duel, making her seem far from the threat she presented herself as. Possibly justified by the fact that Dooku and Anakin are the only other Force-users she faces in this series, and both have either equal or greater skill and experience than her, with Dooku being a full fledged Sith Lord and Anakin likely having more formal training as a Padawan.
YMMV cannot be played with and this seems a textbook Justifying Edit. But I've seen many other Badass Decay examples where the circumstances are justified, or presented as such by the examples. And Ventress was defeated by Dooku immediately after her showing, is that not too quick to count as decay as this establishes her baseline, powerful but overshadowed by Dooku? And why is it not seen as Ventress's skills being made lesser as opposed to Dooku being established as stronger as the work intended.
I've felt Badass Decay had a lot of issues over this, so asking here what to do.
Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught

When I try to add Metamorphosis as an example of a trope for a certain work it doesn't hyperlink to the main page. I put the asterisk, a space, then Metamorphosis with a colon after (see below), but it doesn't turn blue or hyperlink to trope itself.