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resolved Troper with persist ZCE issue
They first come to my attention with this edit
, which they added several empty folders and one pure ZCE (trope without example}.
The next day, they uncommented
several Palette Swap without adding proper context, talking about the origin of enteies instead of explaning why they are examples of the trope (which, I think most are misused considered how different they were in said origins).
The next, they uncommented another ZCE
, with the context relies on other works and not how it is applies to the subject work. Another edit before that one
, they uncommented The Rival while listed several similarities between two characters, but not mentioned the characters rivalry at all.
I sent three notifiers, one for each of these edit.
Today, they added another
, preemptive commented out. Which seems to be their current pattern
.
resolved Neglectful Precursor Trope Quesiton
I noticed that the trope description for Neglectful Precursors is formatted as a court trial. In addition, I also noticed that about 99% of the examples are also written as court cases. Does this trope actually require that examples be written that way? I wanted to ask because I couldn't find anything on the page itself indicating that.
resolved For myself.
I have made an article on The Prince and the Pauper from 2007.
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resolved Misclassified as American series
@SpongeBobFan2005 keeps adding Strawberry Shortcake: Berry in the Big City to AmericanSeries.Animation, even though BITBC is exclusively made in Canada. I tried explaining this to him multiple times, but he keeps adding it with the flimsy excuse of “it was put on Youtube/Netflix which are American”. I already let myself get dragged into an edit war with him and I’m not doing it again, so can someone tell me what to do about this?
Edited by BlueBlazesopenVery self-congratulatory work pages...
The TV Tropes Character Crossover War has several sub-pages like trivia and ymmv, and several of their most frequent editors are people who were already on TV Tropes. And frankly I'm a bit uncomfortable reading these and seeing how self-indulgent and passive-aggressive towards this platform they seem to be, as they're utilizing multiple tropes like Take That! and Executive Meddling to describe TV Tropes and to voice the aforementioned tropers' disagreements with site policy - which means they are effectively troping themselves. Is stuff like this even allowed?
A few examples of this:
- Author's Saving Throw: Despite their frustrations with TV Tropes booting them off the platform and banning the self demonstrating pages from having non-canon interactions, the authors behind the fic came to embrace the opportunity to improve upon the smaller, script-based format into a larger, more-in-depth narrative format.
- One challenge the writers faced was being limited to the characters with self demonstrating pages being the primary focus, only being able to include characters with some interfranchise or vague connection. By being moved off, the board was clear to add in whoever the writers wanted, expand further on the lore, and make changes to the story that made more sense for their new narrative. This extended to the addition of entire universes, most notably with Shrek and Breaking Bad, along with MrBeast as an additional Joke Character.
- Executive Meddling:
- As the story initially started out on TV Tropes itself, the writers were about nearly complete with most of the pre-Night Parade recruitments when the website moderators deemed the fic could no longer be hosted on the site, forcing it to be moved off-site.
- Shortly thereafter, the moderators almost got rid of the self-demonstrating pages altogether, but after a massive backlash towards eliminating the concept, they instead declared that none of the interactions were to remain (sans between those who had actually met in canon) — aka much of the basis of the fic in the first place. The writing team responded by mocking this decision repeatedly, which the moderation team did not respond to in kind (causing author chris4449 to get bounced from the site).
- Writer Revolt: After the TV Tropes moderators forced the story off the website and banned all non-canon interactions between the self demonstrating pages, the writers subsequently began openly criticizing this decision through the story itself (chiefly through Deadpool).
- Growing the Beard: By the writing team’s own admission, while they had fun with creating the original story, they always felt constrained by their original format in order to keep it as true to TV Tropes as possible. When the story was forced to move, the team took the opportunity to completely transform the story into something they felt eclipsed what they had originally created.
openWas Homer meant to be unsympathetic in "Homer The Herectic" Western Animation
Found this in the Unintentionally Sympathetic Western Animation subpage
Homer again in "Homer the Heretic." He opts to stay home from church one Sunday and when Marge and the kids go without him, he revels in having the house to himself for the first time in years. He enjoys it so much that he decides to stop going to church altogether. Marge, Flanders, and Reverend Lovejoy all try to get Homer to start attending services again, and he even dreams of being confronted by God himself. However, when you stop to think that Homer's duties as a full-time worker, husband, and father mean that he is never alone, it's hard to blame him for wanting just a few hours of me-time each week. And considering that when he does go to church, he often sleeps through the sermon (including at the end of the episode when he's convinced to go back), he's clearly not getting anything out of it anyway.
I don't really think Homer was meant to be in the wrong for not wanting to go to church considering that God actually seemed lenient about it.
Also, i think Homer kind of won against them by sleeping through Timothy's sermon at the end.
resolved Another post by me!
Hey gamers, I want you to make self demonstrating pages for: Mario, Metal Mario, Four (BFB), Two (TPOT), Animatic (Animatic Battle), Emmet Brickowski
Edited by RealnameopenQuestion about an edit Anime
About seven years ago the troper Seguir made a sweeping edit
to the Tearjerker page
for Death Note, removing a number of entries with the edit reason saying "removing apologism for murderers and melodrama" with no further explanation given. I don't see how a lot of the removed entries (such as Hatori's death or Light's amnesiac self screaming when he regains his memories) fit this description so I'm wondering if anyone feels they should be restored.
resolved Possible Edit War on YMMV Watson(2025) Live Action TV
Regarding this page, https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/YMMV/Watson
there was an UnintentionallyUnsympathetic example I removed as audiences and critics noted that Ingrid seemingly set Isaac up to take his spot. I did add reasons for the removal, as Ingrid did not deny her actions and deflected his accusations. In episode she seemed knowingly let him drive while (mildly) intoxicated then turned him in not out of morality but out of benefit to herself.
It was originally added by {{6 »Tropers}} , then re-added again after removal, not sure if that counts as EditWar or not.
As pointed out by the reasoning stated she didn't deter him from driving, she didn't call for an UBER. She waited till he was on the road then called the Police to advise of a drunk driver, including his car model essentially setting him up. As critics and other audiences pointed out she set him up to take his spot, ruining his life and deflecting blame. Making his character sympathetic.
As the example was re-added without reasoning am I able to remove it again.
Edited by Tuvokresolved Typo in the title: Recap/TheChicagoCodeS1E13MikeRyokosRevenge Live Action TV
The Chicago Code S 1 E 13 Mike Ryokos Revenge
The episode title should be "Mike Royko's Revenge," not Ryoko— the reference is to a Chicago Tribune columnist, not a J-Pop singer. But I'm not sure how to fix it as it's in the page title itself.
resolved Roman Numerals in work titles
Just a quick question - I was wanting to launch a new works page for Schedule I, the silly black comedy drug dealer game that came out. The game's title and steam listing using Roman Numeral I, I was wanting to double check if we'd still use the I, use 1, or typed out One for it, since I'm not sure myself.
openTrouble with uploading video example
I'm trying to add a video example for Art Shift, but the video I try to upload is flipped to a vertical resolution for some reason. The video on my phone is not flipped and is horizontal, and getting the video and uploading it on my laptop instead didnt work. The video is still awaiting review, but I dont know why it is flipping itself. Is it because of the file type or something?
openRepair Don't Respond policy actually unclear or are some people purposefully misrepresenting it?
I've always understood the Repair, Don't Respond policy to be about putting "replies" to incorrect or inaccurate content onto wiki pages themselves instead of removing or fixing the content, the page itself states so.
But I've seen some people link it in response to being told outside the wiki pages about their editing mistakes, at least one instance of it in a PM to me. Nothing on that page mentions editing mistakes nor does it mention being told through PM or ATT or the like, and if the policy did apply in that way, it would directly contradict the existence of the Notifiers system. When told about that some of said people claim the page does not contradict their claim.
Do we really need to spell it out on the page? EDIT: Spell out what the page doesn't mean, particularly.
Edited by homogenizedopenHow Do You add Secondary Tropes to Video Examples in videos if one is not the original uploader?
I have noticed in some of my videos that some secondary tropes have been added by other users/tropers, even though I myself have not added them. How do people add secondary tropes to video examples that were not uploaded by them?
openMetroid Prime 4 edit war
It really hurts me to write this query, because the involved troper is a good contributor, but unfortunately coming here is the only resort I have.
On YMMV.Metroid Prime 4 Beyond, QU 4 DR 4 X 15 had written a flawed Tainted by the Preview entry, which had issues like self-contradictory sentences and focus on knee-jerk reactions from a Vocal Minority. I removed the example on those grounds, but they added it back with a different wording that, if anything, amplified the aforementioned issues. The edit reason also comes off as needlessly defiant.
At the very least, they should have brought this up on any venue, but I can't seem to find any thread or discussion board where they did.
openPoppy Playtime's Prototype sympathy
Would like to prompt for more opinions on the subject here
, since there are only 3 people arguing and I myself would like to step down from it. It's been almost a month and I don't think the back-and-forth on what essentially is an Alternative Character Interpretation will be getting anywhere any time soon.
resolved Velma YMMV and the Alt-Right Accusation
Hello, everyone. I was browsing through "Ask the Tropers," and I see that a troper called "Neverwood" tried to report me for spreading "Alt-right" messages on the Velma YMMV page
, and I'm having trouble moving forward from the accusation. I know this accusation was 2 years ago, but it's still a jarring thing to see considering it's visible to the public. Because I wasn't tagged in the conversation or notified of it when it came out, I wasn't given a chance to explain myself. I am aware of the misfortune and ramifications of posting this on April Fool's Day. I assure you, this is not a joke; I truly wanted to address this with sincerity.
I know it's pointless talking about it now, considering it's been almost two years since the accusation, and this post would only bring attention to it. I want to get this off my chest and clear things up, even if it doesn't matter anymore, because this is a serious accusation from my point of view. The edits I made on Velma YMMV page were caused by a lot of anxiety and stress. For clarity, I was never trying to spread an "alt-right" agenda, and I would never endorse those beliefs.
- In Neverwood's complaint, they accused me of posting "alt-right nonsense" and that I was claiming how "Velma is racist against whites". Although I did describe Velma's behavior as racially motivated in previous entries, it's too strong a description, and I should have used the terms "biased" or "wary" because they align more with the creator's intent behind these remarks. To explain the difference, "bias" is used to describe a mistrust or wariness, whereas racism implies the speaker believes in superiority over another race or ethnicity. I interpreted these actions as racist or racially motivated because I have read reviews and seen reaction videos that called Velma's actions bigoted, hypocritical, and racist for her comments about Fred's race. I understand that Velma was referring to the system, not Fred's race. Because of these reviews, I mistakenly thought it was the consensus towards the character. I was being literal-minded when I interpreted her comments, not that it excuses my actions. This misunderstanding and misinterpretation of Velma's comments are what led to these statements. That said, I'm aware this isn't the place to discuss what constitutes racism.
- Regarding my comments on the "social commentary", I sincerely believed that was the creator's intent when they made the show. Despite Neverwood's accusations that I claimed "it's the reason why most people hate the show", I never said social commentary was the thing that ruined the show or the reason why so many people hated it; all I said was that the social commentary could have been done better. I wasn't complaining or criticizing the message; I was criticizing and referring to the methods used by Velma, which were over-aggressive and heavy-handed. I never said she was right or wrong either; that isn't my place to say, I just said these themes and messages were done better in other movies and shows. The point of my argument was that bringing identity politics into the story doesn't automatically make a character compelling or deep. I believe in Show, Don't Tell. Social commentary is a delicate and complex topic that must be done in an engaging, entertaining, and thought-provoking way. To reiterate, I was not trying to spread or push an alt-right agenda by criticising the show's methods in providing social commentary. I supported the message the series tried to convey, even if I doubted and disliked its presentation and heavy-handed, over-aggressive approach.
- Finally, when I deleted the social commentary edit, I genuinely didn't know about Neverwood's complaint. It was already a point of contention on the page, and I thought I was doing the right thing to stop more complaints and edits. When I brought up the show's social commentary again, I tried to provide a calm and rational explanation to avoid causing more arguments, not knowing the matter was already resolved. I tried to explain how the show was full of identity politics and socio-political commentary, I felt it was something that had to be addressed because it was a component of the show. However, my edits had problems of their own: Firstly, whether you agree with the show or not, it's hard to talk about these issues without making the edits sound like a massive, over-aggressive rant. And secondly, despite my attempts at damage control, it unintentionally came across as flame bait. I stopped because it wasn't worth it in the end, and I haven't been on the YMMV page since 2023.
Anyway, I think I've explained everything. I am truly sorry for what happened and for causing this much drama. I can't apologise enough for my actions; it was foolish and a product of stress mismanagement. I have no excuse for my actions because I know I should have known better. I sincerely know now how my actions can upset others. I will be more careful and mindful in how I phrase my entries in the future.
Edited by Buck

I just made a new list of funny moments for Matt Rose, because it's new it hasn't been adding to the web video funny moments index. How do I do that? I tried to search TV Tropes for the answer and got nothing and there isn't an option on that page itself to simply click on or select something then add the hyperlink.
Edited by NKgamer