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openWould the 'LGBT Fanbase' trope go into multiple entries of a franchise without a general YMMV? Anime
Wondering about adding a specific entry for the trope for the YMMV of Magia Record, one of the Madoka spinoffs. Now Madoka itself has a entry for the original anime under the trope, but the YMMV page is for the original anime, not the franchise as a wide, while Record has quite a few specific examples to it. Would there be any issue in adding a specific entry for Record's YMMV about LGBT Fanbase?
openCan you edit war with yourself?
I'd just like to make sure it's okay to, having deleted your own entry, re-enter it with slightly different wording? Sorry if this is a bit obvious; I'd just like to make absolutely sure. Thanks.
resolved Help with page? Anime
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Funny/MyDeerFriendNokotan
It's been super long since last edit and i can't fill up the page myself. Can anyone help out?
openSingle troper's vandalism of animated series all from same creator Western Animation
A troper by the name of Bento Boxer Justin Roiland has had a history of vandalizing work pages involving cartoons created by Brazilian animator Pedro Eboli, often adding false information. This includes:
- Claiming his works from Birdo Studio (Oswaldo, Cupcake & Dino: General Services, and Ba Da Bean) were co-produced by Bento Box Entertainment on December 16, 2024
(edit removed January 13, 2025
).
- They added this information to Bento Box's page too on April 19, 2025
. (removed April 24, 2025
)
- They also said Ollie's Pack was animated by Atomic Cartoons, Toon City, and Snipple Animation on April 19, 2025
(removed April 24, 2025
).
- They added this information to Bento Box's page too on April 19, 2025
- Creating a Character Sheet for Cupcake & Dino: General Services full of outright false information on December 17 2024. (page was cut by yours truly)
- Creating a Crosses the Line Twice page for Ollie's Pack once again full of false information and using a page image not actually from the show on February 1, 2025 (has been added to the Cutlist by me again).
- Adding a frankly bizarre and nonsensical, as well as unnecessary, image and caption to the Ollie's Pack Character Sheet photoshopping the characters' heads onto the cast of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia on April 18, 2025
(removed May 8, 2025
).
- Also adding links to that image and new ones to the Image Links for Crosses the Line Twice on May 6, 2025
that appear to go to their Deviantart. (images cut May 8, 2025
).
- Also adding links to that image and new ones to the Image Links for Crosses the Line Twice on May 6, 2025
There are probably other examples, but I think we all get the point (I get the sense they are a ban evader as another troper named Morty 336 Steve 909 made similar vandalizing edits regarding the same shows). And while they do seem to have made a few positive contributions, this frequent vandalism and spreading of misinformation targeting a few specific shows (that all share the same creator, so I have my suspicions here) is very frustrating, especially for people who work on pages for obscure works, like myself. While I am personally of the belief that this user should be banned, I would like to know what other people's opinions on this matter is.
Edited by MagnusForceopenMy formatting is messed up on Poker Face
With season 2 of Poker Face dropping, I'm trying to divvy up the show's character pages into the main characters, the villains and victims of each episode, and the various characters Charlie meets in each episode. However, while I have the main index boxes up on each sub page, they don't quite look right. I've never made boxes like that before, so I don't quite know what to do there.
EDIT: The reason why the rest of the info is still up on the main page is because I wanted the other two set up before I deleted it. I'm willing to edit in the fixes myself if that will be more helpful.
These are the respective pages.
Edited by JacobyInvestigativeresolved Interesting edits on Gender-Equal Ensemble
On November 1st, 2024, I added an example of this trope from Bad Times at the Battle Royale, a movie that I had put together a couple of years ago, and in December 25th, 2024, I did the same thing for Lights, Camera, Action! Moviemaking Mania. Both examples were also crosswicked to their respective film pages. So far, so good.
Fast-forward to January 14th, 2025 where user Diask changed almost every single instance of "male and female" on the article to something different. Some examples have "males and females" changed to "guys and girls", while it was far more common for instances of "males and females" to be changed to "men and women". All of this without an edit reason. And yes, both of my film examples were caught in the crossfire.
What reason would this user have to change almost every example of "males and females" without specifying exactly why? I'm concerned undoing these changes (especially in regards to both of my film examples) might lead to an edit war and possibly another suspension, hence why I'm bringing this up here first and foremost to see what others think. I myself find it weird to make these sorts of massive changes without prior discussion, especially for an article specifically talking about how the gender ratio between male and female is exactly 50/50 for certain works of art. If it's already correct to use "male and female" to refer to both genders, then why bother changing it?
Before anyone asks, I did check the Discussion tab for Gender-Equal Ensemble to see if I could find anything, but there was nothing. If there was a discussion regarding this elsewhere on the site (particularly a forum thread or two), then please let me know about any such areas so I can take a closer look.
Initial Battle Royale edit on Gender-Equal Ensemble by myself: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Main.GenderEqualEnsemble&page=23#edit42324893
Initial Lights, Camera, Action! edit on Gender-Equal Ensemble by myself: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Main.GenderEqualEnsemble&page=23#edit42887001
Edit to Gender-Equal Ensemble by Diask changing almost every instance of "male and female" without prior discussion: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Main.GenderEqualEnsemble&page=23#edit43089160
openThe Boba Tea Shop Videogame
There's this game called The Boba Tea Shop which is a horror game where you play as the owner of a boba shop. I tried searching it on tv tropes if there's a page abt it but there wasn't so I was wondering if I could create the page myself if it's okay
openDILP/RTDE misuse, possible misuse?
The only items under YMMV.The Review Team, YMMV.Abuse Of Power MHA, YMMV.FUDW, YMMV.Harry Potter And The Endless Night are misuse of Draco in Leather Pants and Ron the Death Eater, which only apply to the source material subject to such not specific works doing it like these. Just heads up before removing.
YMMV.Ask Princess Molestia has a DLIP I question if applicable given the contentious nature of the work (which ran right as such content was becoming seen a no longer acceptable).
- Condemned by History: At the time of its introduction around 2011, the blog became very popular (reaching ~ 68,600 followers by its closure in 2014) for its artwork, regular updates, absurd premise, and saucy comedy. By 2013, growing backlash against the Ron the Death Eater treatment of Princess Celestia and works that were seen as normalizing sexual harassment, molestation, and assault by treating it as a joke led to the "Down With Molestia" movement where so many turned against the blog that it abruptly shut down a year later. Nowadays, no one remembers the blog or the eponymous character very fondly, with its only saving graces being the character of Gamer Luna and the artwork. Asking it it was popular at time enough to count despite subject, and if retroactive popularity changes effect Designated Hero or Draco in Leather Pants. And does "normalize" mean Do Not Do This Cool Thing as attempts to treat as wrong were undercut by treating it as entertainment?
- Designated Hero: Many fans consider Molestia's character to be more fitting as a villain or at the very least an anti-hero considering what she does on her prime time and how she often acts insincere and selfish. Yet many of her friends treat her like a hero and it's not hard to see why at times. Last part sorta argues with itself. But if fans do hate her for such that's opposite of DILP. Maybe Unintentionally Unsympathetic better fit as she was meant to be deliberately flawed for such?
- Draco in Leather Pants: A lot of fans will quickly dismiss Molly's actions as being harmless and just tame despite Molly on certain crossovers have kidnapped and implied to have sexually assaulted a Fluffy Pony, chubby pony, or others, and on certain occasions depending on the writing to have genuinely treated and/or abused her guards, most of her friends including her own sister, and others like her own personal sex objects and nothing more without remorse or empathy, most of the time. Seems more like narrative whitewashing her than fans, who hated it to point of getting work canceled.
openTrivia in trope examples
There's a recurring issue in Characters.Minecraft that I'd like to address:
There's this boss, the Ender Dragon, which is often referred to in the fandom as being canonically named "Jean". The issue is that this is not actually referenced to in canon anywhere, and from what I can tell is based on only two sources: the first is this Reddit comment by Notch from 2011
("And I, for one, am so glad she stays there. What's her name?" "Jean?"), and the second is this Twitter comment by Nathan Addams/Dinnerbone from 2015
("Officially I think it's "Jean?" ;D") Notch is Minecraft's original coder, but parted ways with it years ago and is no longer credited on the game; Dinnerbone is an active code developer.
(Incidentally, there is also this article from 2019
, which claims that "uttering [the dragon's] true name would unleash a destructive force that would obliterate not only the End, but the Nether and the Overworld at the same time", which is... not hugely authoritative either, but I'd still rank it a touch higher than "this one Twitter comment from ten years ago".)
Now, commentary from a work's creator outside of the work itself is Word of God. My understanding is that, since Word of God is Trivia, it cannot be used as a source for trope examples — and, presumably, this would go double for when God is no longer involved with a work in any way, or when the Word is just a single social media comment from a decade or more ago. So I just cut those examples, left a note about Trivia entries, and moved on.
Issue is that people keep adding this material, and I really would rather not go on a one-man rampage here because that'd probably just turn into an edit war, so I'd like some feedback. At the absolute least, I think that making broad statements like "this thing is canonically so" or "this thing is confirmed to be so" when the actual sources are, well, what they are is misleading and, if you want to add this information, you should at least qualify where it actually comes from.
Edited by TheriocephalusopenWhy is Homegrown Hero a YMMV Trope?
Homegrown Hero seems to be about something that's pretty objective; if anything, it feels like it'd be pretty well suited for being a Trivia trope. Yet it's listed as an YMMV trope, and nothing on the page itself really feels like it explains why that is.
openTrying to add an Incredibles/MHA crossover page Anime
Hello, I think this fanfiction is worthy of having its own page:
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13466524/1/My-Incredible-Academia
as well as being mentioned in fanfic recs/fan works for both MHA and Incredibles in the crossover section but I'm not sure how to do it myself. Even though I go on Tv Tropes a lot I have only recently made my own account so still getting to grips with it. I could do with some help please.
openDoes The Scrappy apply to the following situations or are they misuse?
1. A character from the disliked series of a beloved franchise who is hated mainly by fans of the franchise as a whole. 2. Cases of Adaptational Scrappy. The Scrappy wiki has an entire category for characters who are only disliked in a certain adaptation, but the rules between that site and this wiki seem to be different.
I have a feeling they're misuse, but I need confirmation.
To bring some examples from YMMV.Xiaolin Chronicles:
- Ping Pong. He is by far the most hated character of all the fanbase, due to his freakishly similar resemblance to Omi, high-pitched voice, and how he is a completely worthless replacement for the Ensemble Dark Horse that is Jermaine.
- Dojo gained a bit of detestation mostly due to the exaggeration of his relationship with Master Fung, particularly his lamenting of being separated from him. While in the original series he could at least pull himself together afterwards, here he shuts down altogether, usually at the worst time for the monks. There’s also the copious amount of gross-out humor and gags he’s subjected to.
- This version of Chase Young is far more despised by fans than his original series self due to being just a generic villain who lacks the charm of the original, his disturbing flirtatious relationship with Shadow, and his retconned backstory. Any popularity he had is further damaged by the episode "Chase Lays an Egg", where he does exactly what the title says.
openUniverse and Book With Same Name Literature
i've been trying to flesh out some pages for You Could Make a Life, which is a literature universe. it's a very large verse full of 16 (and counting) novels that share characters and settings, with frequent crossover between them all & a firmly established canon. some works are published via traditional self-publishing, and others are posted online using Archive of our Own. while they are in the same universe, they are not all part of the same series, and there are many different series within it.
the issue i've run into while making pages is that the universe shares the same name as the first novel in the series, You Could Make a Life by Taylor Fitzpatrick.
i would like to make a page for the universe itself, separate from the novel You Could Make a Life. does anyone know how i should go about this? i'm currently working off You Could Make a Life. thank you!
openDoes this count as a Canon Foreigner?
The manga Reiri follows the final days of the Takeda Clan between 1579 and 1582. As such, nearly every major character is a real historical figure. The sole exception is the eponymous heroine herself, Reiri, who had her hand in the manga's version of several historical events. Does this count as a Canon Foreigner or no?
Edited by The_Hero_Of_Memesresolved Edit-warring over which image version to use for a character
A couple days ago I did a batch image addition and upgrade to The Apothecary Diaries — Named Clans. After I was done, ~C Ray reverted the image for Lahan to the one they had previously uploaded.
- original
by C Ray
- quality upgrade
by myself
- CRay reverts to their version
openCritcism???
So I added my first ever example to the Crack Fic page and I want some critcism. I added Carousel: A Dream Journal to the other folder :3 You can point out a few spelling mistakes and things like natter and tell me what to do to fix them. Just don't add links to the characters because they are ocs. Ik i sometimes name them after something as a shout out but i would add that myself if it happens.
Also how do I make a new page???
Btw the author for the fic is me, I tried my best to NOT try when writing it because hey, my brain doesn't try to make the dreams coherent ether. In fact, it was MEANT to be unfunny :D
(Sorry for bad grammar, I'm not English :( )
resolved general site forum
I want to express my feelings about a grievance I have with a particular page (which I am in the process of fixing right now). Is there a forum where we talk about the site itself or something like that?
resolved Character reversion for The Pitt Live Action TV
Regarding an edit on characters for The Pitt ( https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/ThePitt2025
) . I wish to revert or if possible modify a character edit. Regarding characters tropes I believe we post both strengths and weaknesses of character to paint a full picture of said character. But feel the current edits for Doctor Landon tend to seem to attempt to protect the character from any negative aspects. To note , I am not seeking to bash said character.
Original version
- Believing Their Own Lies: Tries to convince Robby that the pain-meds his stolen does not impair his judgement or reasoning at all. However during his shift he did try to throw an attending under the bus to protect himself and was stealing and diluting much needed hospital supplies before the shift. At the end of the shift, he desperately tried to manipulate two colleagues Robby and Dana who respect him, to ignore his condition
Revised version
- Believing Their Own Lies: Tries to convince Robby that the Librium he stole does not impair his judgement or reasoning at all and that he only needs them to wean off his addiction. Robby immediately calls him out for not taking the proper steps to treat his withdrawal symptoms, bluntly laying out that he could be facing felony charges for his diversion.
The second version seemingly softens Langdon actions and ramifications of his actions. As well as the problems with the actions that he took and the consequences of them. As in the lie he tells himself is not that he needs to wean himself off the pills, but the lie is the pill affect his behaviour , ie stealing needed medication to feed his need.
Original version
- Never My Fault: Unfortunately as an addict he views his thefts as necessary. Refuses to accept he may have a problem and when forced to go into rehab and face being reported as having a drug problem tries to paint it as Robby over-reacting instead of a genuine issue due to his addiction.
Revised version
- Never My Fault: Unfortunately Langdon refuses to take responsibility over his addiction, believing that he only needs the benzos to wean off his dependence on pain meds.
Removes how Langdon acts as its NeverMyFault by removing what he is refusing to accept fault for. Seemingly makes it about his addiction and not a) the thefts he committed to feed the addiction or b) is refusal to accept fault for his actions and having a blowout over it.
Original version
- Kick the Dog: When Robby refuses to ignore Langdon's addiction and thefts. Decides to report the incident and offer to get Landon into rehab. Langdon instead of being grateful, throws the gesture in his face stating that Robby has no right to judge claiming he is as messed up as he is bringing up Robby PTSD and breakdown earlier that night. Robby who is emotionally and physically raw from end of the shift , can only walk away disappointed in his former friend.
Revised version
- Kick the Dog: When Robby gives Langdon the ultimatum of going to rehab instead of losing his license, Langdon throws the gesture in his face by stating that Robby has no right to judge since he's claiming "as messed up as he is" because of his meltdown in Pedes from earlier. Robby pointedly tells Langdon that he's the one that screwed up massively.
Again , cuts away why the example exists in order to make the character less abrasive or damaged as is. In way to prevent the character from seeming unlikable.
Original version
- Functional Addict: Langdon is addicted to Librium, a benzodiazepine, to the point of filching pills from the prescription of one of the hospital's "frequent flyer" patients. When Robby finds out, he makes an extremely poor attempt at defending himself when confronted with Santos' suspicion that he's stealing other medications on top of it. Despite this, he is still an outstandingly competent doctor, a point which he himself brings up when confronted by Robby. Despite this , Robby correctly forces him to go into treatment as Langdon is in denial about his problem. As he is actively stealing medication from patients in pain, and his argument and his argument he just need the pain-meds to get off his pill-addiction is him ignoring the seriousness of his problem
Revised version
- Functional Addict: Langdon is addicted to Librium, a benzodiazepine, to the point of filching pills from the prescription of one of the hospital's "frequent flyer" patients. When Robby finds out, he makes an extremely poor attempt at defending himself when confronted with Santos' suspicion that he's stealing other medications on top of it. Despite this, he is still an outstandingly competent doctor, a point which he himself brings up when confronted by Robby. However, Robby has to give him an ultimatum of going to rehab or face losing his medical license.
Leaves out the serious issue that Langdon is stealing pain meds from patients in pain and causing risks to other patients. Another issue it attempts to downplay the act and his issues via the statement “Despite this, he is still an outstandingly competent doctor, a point which he himself brings up when confronted by Robby.” Seemingly excusing his 'filching' because he hasn't screwed up medically , yet.
Original version
- Took a Level in Jerkass: An unfortunate side effect of addiction is the inability to accept that he has a problem and take to desperate measures to protect himself from consequence. From trying to paint Santos genuine concerns as false accusations from a new resident that most people don't like. To desperately trying to compare his pill -addiction to Robby's PTSD in order to gain sympathy , which forces Robby to walk away from him in disbelief. To trying to convince Dana who is having her own traumatic day that Robby judgement is in question and needs her to have his back despite his own erratic behavior.
New Version
- Took a Level in Jerkass: An unfortunate side effect of Langdon's addiction is his inability to accept that he has a problem, taking desperate measures to protect himself from consequences. The peak of this comes when Langdon tries to tell Robby to ignore his addiction since the latter is "just as screwed up" as he is because of his breakdown towards the end of "7:00 PM". Clearly, this does not go over well with Robby.
'The second version leaves out what desperate measures Langdon took making it a ZCE and again unnecessarily saving the character from any sort of criticism. Not looking to bash said character but the second example says they took a level without explaining ‘’how’’ they Took a Level in Jerkass. As well as neutering the confrontation he had with Robby
Again I am not attempting to bash the character. Have noted that a character should express both negative and positive aspects of a character. I just feel that the new edits seemingly go out of its way to “clean” up the character. Which doesn’t seem an issue when less popular characters like Santos is concerned. If reversion to its original version is not advised is there any suggestion to make the examples more nuanced?

New troper milobanana
is spamming various pages with gibberish in a way that reads like a spammer and not just a confused newbie troper:
- i AM REA
- the blue man is here
- And whatever this
is.
Edited by UFOYeah