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openTroper with linking issues and a shipping bias Videogame
Mysticalmagic 483 often edits on the Sonic the Hedgehog pages, and I've found myself having to correct their edits from time to time.
- Here
they don't properly link an example.
- Another
example of not using link brackets.
- Word cruft
In addition, they have such an obvious shipping bias. They are a fan of the Sonic/Blaze pairing. They are entitled to that opinion, because this is the internet, and everyone is allowed to have their own opinion even if I don't agree with it.
What they AREN'T entitled to is deleting mentions of the Silver/Blaze pairing because it goes against their preferred ship.
- Here
they take off details of Blaze's Ship Tease entry.
- Here
they delete a point saying Sonic is a Shipper on Deck for Silver/Blaze.
- Here
they remove a segment where both Silver and Blaze blush at being called a cute couple.
- Here
they insist that the pairing Silver and Amy "makes more sense" (no hate to anyone who ships this, but in canon Amy has a Single-Target Sexuality for Sonic).
- Here
they remove another point about her being close to Silver.
Permission to revert these edits?
Edited by deerhornsaresoprettyopenUser with issues with drama importation and grammar
So this is discussing about Pc 98 Fan, who in spite of their username, is actually more involved with Forsaken (Roblox) rather than the PC-98. Unfortunately, when it comes to the game itself, that has attracted quite the attention due to the actions of its creator Souldrivenlove, who due to the massive amounting controversies, had to transfer ownership of the game to others. And when it comes to discussing it, Pc98Fan seems to be obsessed with discussing everything about it, and I mean everything- including the drama. While a stern warning from both YMMV and the Memes pages to not import drama seems to be enough, the Trivia page seems to be an exception, albeit because it's mostly discussing the real life actions. Even then, it's riddled with errors. Here's one example of the page that was mostly edited by them, since they have done so many edits to the page:
- Role-Ending Misdemeanor:
- Soul himself heavily felt into this after being exposed by big Youtubers like Parlo and Ruben Sim, eventually resulting in him making two documents going over his past controversies in order to make himself clear. Thankfully, he was able to spin everything around by the end, resulting in his reputation getting cleaned up for the most part and many apologizing to him. Eventually the controversies were too damning for Soul to continue working on the game, resulting in the ownership of the game being transferred to Hytoko and Basil on May.
Already I can see multiple issues, such as the usage of the Overshadowed by Controversy even though it hasn't been a year since the controversy passed (and it's still ongoing today), several grammar issues, etc. I feel like discussing some part of the drama if affects development is ok, but discussing every single part of it is what grinds my absolute gears. Something should be done about this.
openSentences comparing Work A and Work B, even if the comparisons are questionable
What to do if a work's description or intro paragraph claims that it's similar to one or more works that are more well-known in pop culture, but such claims are questionable or dubious?
For example, the intro paragraph of Bloody Spell begins with this, which was originally written by other troper(s):
- Dark Souls in ancient China. With ALL the extra fanservice.
Bloody Spell, a.k.a 嗜血印, is a wuxia-themed action game developed by Yilong Games, one based on Wide-Open Sandbox Action RPG games made popular in recent years, with Elden Ring, Dark Souls and Bayonetta as it's most distinct inspiration... except recycled in the Ming Dynasty.
This sounds like cases of X Meets Y and Recycled In Space examples, but some of the comparisons sound like they're stretching it. Specifically, it's rather odd for the description to say it's "Dark Souls", but then lists a game comparison (Bayonetta) that is not based on Dark Souls. There are several reasons why I'm questioning the game's intro having to compare itself to several other games:
- I've played the game itself (hence why I'm troping it), and comparisons on other online forums/websites such as Steam simply call it a traditional Hack and Slash or an action game with very few Soulslike elements. It's true that you can drink a potion to restore health, and Money Is Experience Points applies just like a Dark Souls game, but you can also relentlessly or aggressively attack enemies, and a dodging mechanic makes it closer to a Bayonetta game instead. There's no such thing as a Stamina meter in this game (it's a Mana Meter instead). It's also easy to overpower enemies, so it isn't known for being Nintendo Hard. The game is also extremely fast-paced, there's a bit of mid-air combat or combos, and you don't exactly have to wait for your enemies' attack patterns all the time, so it also takes cues from games like Devil May Cry than just Dark Souls.
- Bloody Spell is not a Wide-Open Sandbox, The main story mode is made out of linear stages; it's not an open world, while the other modes are in enclosed or limited spaces, so the Elden Ring comparison is questionable.
- The game does intentionally compare itself to another IP, as one difficulty mode's description outright mentions it would play like Ninja Gaiden. There's even an alternate gameplay mode that blatantly imitates a mode from Devil May Cry.
- The game likely changed a lot, as it took a while for it to be released in Version 1.0, so the Soulslike similarities may have been diluted, and the game became more similar to traditional hack-and-slash games instead. Worse, some planned features, modes and gameplay mechanics from previous versions might have been excised or cut, creating some left-over misinformation in its description from both its TV Tropes page and the index pages where it's listed.
I'm really thinking of either deleting the paragraphs or sentences that compare it to other games, or at best, trim or rewrite them instead and just leave fewer comparisons... But I also want to ask if there's an existing clean-up thread for these kinds of things, like a "Comparison Clean-Up Thread" or something.
Alternatively, is there an existing Administrivia guideline that says comparisons between works should be placed somewhere else (like Follow the Leader and Spiritual Successor on the Trivia or YMMV pages) instead of the main work page's intro paragraph?
Heck, I could've sworn there was a similar topic back then, as when Black Myth: Wukong was released, there was a huge online discourse/debate on whether it's a Soulsborne or just a traditional action game like God of War. The Discussion tab
openCall-Back vs. Continuity Nod Live Action TV
I came very often upon examples of Call-Back that don't fit for not being plot-significant, and move them to Continuity Nod. As the description of the trope specifies:
- [A Call-Back is m]ore or less a Shout-Out to itself — but if that's all that it's doing, then it's a Continuity Nod; a Call-Back brings back an element that is actually relevant again.
However, on Andor S2E10 "Make It Stop", one such move of mine was reverted by palm529sw, despite the two concerned examples being pure flavor with no relevance at all to the episode. I did PM this editor, but got no response yet.
I'd like to have confirmation that my interpretation of Call-Back is correct, and that I can move the two examples back to Continuity Nod without being accused of edit warring.
Edited by StFanresolved Galthran Etruk's Voice Actor Videogame
A while ago the troper Recon Decon listed Lex Lang as the voice actor of Galthran Etruk from Dragon Rage. The problem with this is that all of the voice actors including Lex Lang are of the Unspecified Role Credit variety in the game. I have asked him to provide some sort of evidence to support this claim, but he's provided me with little than a link to a site that requires a membership to see
(I myself can't see it.) and Recon Decon hasn't responded to my messages since the 6th. Can a member to this site check this link and share what evidence is provided to support this claim?
P.S. I have since created a WMG page section dedicated to trying to figure out which voice actor voices which character.
Edited by RonnieR15openAgenda-based editing Live Action TV
A large portion of regularmordecai’s
edits here center around the Stranger Things scene where Eleven hits Angela with a skate for bullying her (most of them are on the show’s YMMV page) and it definitely seems agenda-based as they keep pushing the message that fans shouldn’t have enjoyed that scene and exaggerating Eleven’s actions (such as calling her a school shooter despite the fact that she didn’t kill anyone). This has been going on for about ten months now and on several occasions I tried making these entries more neutral but they promptly edited them again to add additional complaints, often using weasel words to make it sound like much of the fandom agrees with them when it’s likely just their personal opinion. They recently added an entry
under the Nightmare Fuel page bashing real-life fans for thinking Angela had it coming and calling them “foolhardy”
for allegedly saying they wished they could have done the same to their bullies (and the entry is improper at any rate since the page is about the show itself, not real-life events).
openMario Strikers Videogame
From Funny.Mario Strikers I’m not sure which game these moments below come from. Does anyone know? I wasn’t sure where to go to ask this.
- First off, everyone, and we mean EVERYONE takes the game so seriously. So when they’re losing, they’re all freaking out.
- Mario in utter despair
- Luigi getting a twitchy eye
- Peach, as much of a sweetheart as she is, throws a tantrum like a spoiled brat.
- Waluigi mocking the other team.
- Wario saying “I give up” before blowing himself up.
- Bowser setting his own team on fire.
- Wario is a walking example of this.
- Wario's home entrance
in Mario Strikers Charged: He starts off in the same spread-out skydiving pose as most of the other characters, except that he's singing his theme in time with the actual music. But when it comes time for him to switch to a position that would facilitate a "safe" landing, he instead maintains the skydiving pose and slams into the ground gut-first (which also prompts his theme to stop), after which he looks up and glares at the ball.
- While we are on the subject of his theme...
- "Butt smash!"
- Gas Mask, and the opponents' reactions to it
.
Mario: Oh, Wario! *cough*
- Wario's home entrance
- Waluigi has quite a palette.
"Aw, Wario! *cough* Ugh, you're killing me!"
- Waluigi has quite a palette.
- Even Wario himself has a few comments on it: "Excellent vintage," for instance.
- Try using Bowser's Fire Storm on the resulting cloud of gas. This is what happens.
- His frustration when the opponents get a goal. Particularly when he ends up wrestling and beating up the ball... and it blows up in his face.
- "Keep throwing me!"
- Even his Mega Strike is hilarious. He inflates like a balloon and blows the ball at the goal.
- One of his victory animations has the camera on his backside as he laughs while it goes up to his face, giving a thumbs-up and say his name. In slow-motion for some reason.
- Wario doesn't howl in pain if he's electrocuted in the first game. Instead, he screams "OOOOH YEEEESSS!"
- Waluigi's theme.
- "Want the ball? Eh? HERE!". The dancing he does after slamming the ball into his opponent's face is priceless.
- Waluigi´s hilariously silly and childish animations when he loses.
- While most of the characters look cool and controlled during their descent in the home entrances, Waluigi's entrance
has him screaming all the way down.
- Waluigi's crotch chop
. He even has a variation where he starts to do it, only to wag his finger and say "ah, ah, ah!"
- Boo attempting to do Waluigi's crotch chop despite lacking both a crotch and arms long enough to do the motion in the first place, resulting in a rather goofy-looking nod.
- Daisy giving her team the evil eye
after letting the opponent get a goal in. Even funnier is how even Dry Bones is afraid of her.
- Bowser setting his team on fire for letting a goal in. Even funnier is that one of his teammates does the 'Stop, drop and roll' motion to put it out.
- Peach sometimes gets angry at her team for letting a ball in and stomps up and down in a tantrum. While amusing in itself, Birdo's reaction
is just comedy gold.
- Petey Piranha just swaggin' after scoring a goal. And for his visitor entrance.
- Petey eating one of the opposing teammates for scoring a goal while everyone else runs away screaming.
- Petey doing the limbo after scoring. Nevermind where Petey found the random scrap to make said limbo set.
- DK randomly punching the camera over in his exuberance.
- Waluigi does the same thing out of anger when the other team scores, while saying "cheese!"
- Luigi's Airplane Arms.
- Yoshi chasing his tail is both funny and adorable.
- When Diddy Kong scores a goal, he does a little victory dance, then stops and grins sheepishly when he realizes that everyone is watching.
- Dry Bones celebrating a goal by doing the worm. Their head ends up falling off.
- Bowser Jr., when frustrated, goes to kick one of the goalposts, only to stub his toe on it when he tries.
openHeavy case of AutoEroticTroping Webcomic
Nixvir is a webcomic created by Aeneas 1 with, to date, a whopping 1162 "related" pages
. Taking a look at them, so far, all the wicks I've seen have been created by the author. To give credit where it's due, the page itself has been edited by other tropers, but is still mainly the work of Aeneas 1. That includes the following very gushy sentence from the description: "What begins as a wacky, childish High Concept becomes an epic story to contend with the likes of Homer and Virgil, a tale of love, religious fanaticism, masculinity and good versus evil..."
Now, obviously there's nothing wrong with making a page for your own work and crosswicking it; however, of the wicks I've looked at, quite a few are shoehorn-y, with a tendency towards using Not a Subversion to get something that's plainly a non-example on the page:
- Subverted in Nixvir where Zanuba instead has a bird with the head of a gnome as her familiar. None of the other witches are depicted as using familiars, anyway.
- Subverted with Lady Metre in Nixvir who wears a sheaf of wheat in her hair, symbolising her role as the goddess of the harvest. In fact, none of the female characters are depicted as wearing flowers in their hair. I guess this might be a straight example, but it's definitely not a subversion, and the last sentence isn't needed.
- The actual year in which Nixvir takes place is never directly given. That is Ambiguous Time Period, not this trope.
Trademark Favorite Food.Webcomics:
- Subverted in Nixvir; Erik is unable to eat, being a snowman, and thus he can never have a favourite food. Mind you, he does have a tolerance for alcohol, but he is never seen favouring it above all other drinks. Justified, in that perhaps favourite food or drink, even if he were able to eat, would not be a priority for him. So... it's an aversion, then.
They also have some wicks that, while not factually inaccurate, are wildly gushy, for example the entry on ShownTheirWork.Web Comics (not going to quote it here for length, but it contains phrases like "is very well researched" and "The author studied Classical Studies and English Literature at King's College London [...], and it shows".) Remember, this entry was made by the comic's creator.
They have also been linking their comic in a bunch of Quotes pages, image links pages, and Referenced by….
They have two other webcomics on the wiki, Ragnar: The Prelude to Nixvir and Perekrin Penkrin A Day In The Life. The latter hardly has any wicks so far, but I checked a couple of the wicks of the first one, and it seems to have a similar problem of shoehorned examples.
Edited by DoktorvonEurotrashresolved Edit warring on the Voltes V Legacy YMMV page
I removed the Germans Love David Hasselhoff entry over there because apart from being messy and over cluttered like whoever put it there was trying way too hard to prove a point, I looked at the lists and it showed nothing but positive first impressions and the tropers who put it there making assumptions based on those. It's particularly egregious how they even listed individual comments/notes from random individuals and fansubs. I mean, fansubs can simply mean a show has a very small cult following or even just curious individuals who dubbed something for the heck of it. It doesn't prove anything, as far as I'm aware. Even more egregious is the fact that Voltes V Legacy is only seeing what appears to be a dub in Spanish speaking countries, and when I looked at it, it's not even an officially sanctioned dub, just the passion project of a certain few individuals who were fans of the original Voltes V anime and not necessarily the live-action show itself. There's no real evidence that the show became an audience favorite based on those lists.
I'm bringing the issue here because someone who contributed to that entry's list of info decided to readd the deleted entry
after I removed it. I'll concede if the list is enough proof to list as GLDH, but I still would like to hear others' takes on what really counts as proof of a GLDH situation.
resolved Somebody turned a proper wick into a disambig wick
Few days ago on WhatCouldHaveBeen.Hololive (as seen on this edit
), a troper somehow changed the Franchise.Devil May Cry wick into VideoGame.Devil May Cry... which doesn't make sense because the Franchise one is already the proper wick that doesn't need fixing or changing at all, while the VideoGame one creates a green wick that leads to a disambig page.
I'm making this ATT just to be safe, because I originally used the Franchise wick before on that example, and changing it back myself might somehow make others think it's an edit war. Also, this is the first time I've ever seen a troper turn a blue wick into a green disambig wick, and I'm not sure if it was intentional or accidental.
resolved Page attracting drama importation
Due to recent allegations of rape against the content creator in question, the YMMV page for animation reviewer Saberspark has been attracting drama importation and edit disputes between multiple users. The edit history
has the details, but here's a quick summary:
- Jibanyan 641 added the following under Harsher in Hindsight:
- The Jayman 49 rewrote it to this:
- Corporal Pig 22 then added "(falsely)" before "accused" in the previous sentence.
- Blue Blazes then removed "(falsely)" and added "(though he denies the allegations), along with the fact Saber has come under scrutiny for his continued association with Black Gryph0n despite Gabriel currently having several allegations of grooming and child predation against him." after "2025".
- Rise from Your Grave then appended "and says in a response video that he is looking into legal avenues to deal with the situation" after "allegations".
Given all the drama, should this page be temporarily locked? Or is there another path that can be taken?
Edited by themayorofsimpletonopenEdit war about a Plot Hole entry in Final Destination: Bloodies
Troper joaquinthehour removed the Plot Hole entry I put into Film.Final Destination Bloodlines yesterday with no edit reason:
- Plot Hole: As it turns out, Erik is not biologically related to Iris, meaning that he should be safe from being targeted by Death. This is seemingly confirmed when he survives the fire at the tattoo shop and Julia is instead the first of Howard's children to die. While it does makes sense that Death later targets Erik in the hospital for interfering with its design due to him trying to save Bobby, it doesn't explain Erik's incident at the tattoo shop if he wasn't originally on Death's list nor why the man with hooks wasn't added to the list after trying to help save Nora Carpenter from the second movie. This is made more glaring considering Death doesn't bother to go after any of the in-laws. One explanation could be that Erik's freak accident in the tattoo shop was just that; a genuine accident where Death wasn't actively trying to influence anything itself and the man with hooks was Killed Offscreen after Nora's death or was spared because he only interfered while being oblivious to Death's design. However, since the film never gives any concrete explanation, it's hard to overlook.
The entry fits because it is a small plot hole, but one nonetheless, and it has been expanded upon by other tropes. I placed it back yesterday, but today they removed the entry again with no edit reason. So, I'm taking it to Ask the Tropers.
Edited by MegaJresolved Monster Strike needs a lot of help. Videogame
Monster Strike needs help for these reasons:
- Lacks tropes: Monster Strike has tons of characters, and thus a lot of tropes. The problem is there's TOO MANY of them. Just for reference, there's over 140 non-copied impossible+ characters (Impossible/Bakuzetsu/Gouzetsu/Reizetsu), assuming 1 trope for each character, that's still 140 tropes, and that's assuming only 1 trope for each characters and JUST these characters.
- Almost no one's contributing: for examples, the only contribution I have seen is from myself. Though this isn't much of a surprise because the game's very obscure outside of Japan, and I don't really see any Japanese tropers.
- Needs a split: Monster Strike is a multi media franchise with anime and video game. The problem is there's only the Video game namespace and not the anime.
- Needs extra namespaces: Currently there's only Tear Jerker, Wild Mass Guessing and Laconic namespaces.
- Monst Dictionary (provides backstory and lore for a good chunk of characters): https://dic.xflag.com/monsterstrike/
- Game official YouTube channel (could provide some Words of God and a few tropes): https://youtube.com/@monsterstrike
- Anime official YouTube channel (provides lore and tropes): https://youtube.com/@monst_animation
- Monster Strike wiki (English names and characters without Monst Dic profile): https://monster-strike-enjp.fandom.com/wiki/Monster_Strike_Wiki
resolved Possibly old Cartoon Network show where a female character is burned alive in a bonfire Western Animation
Hey everyone! I’ve been trying for years to figure out if a scene I saw as a kid was real or just a fever dream. I hope someone here can help me identify it.
What I remember:
I watched this episode sometime between 2016 and 2018, but I’m pretty sure the cartoon itself was much older, probably from the early/mid-2000s era (Billy and Mandy, Cow and Chicken, Courage the Cowardly Dog, etc.).
Channel: I’m almost certain it aired on Cartoon Network, but there’s a slight chance it might have been Nickelodeon.
The episode had an extremely dark and disturbing tone. The most vivid memory I have is of a female character (probably human) being thrown into a large bonfire by a group of other characters.
It happened at night, and the fire had huge flames. I distinctly remember her screams — they were loud, desperate, and very unsettling.
After she was burned, the other characters acted like it was normal — they seemed to be celebrating or socializing, totally unbothered.
The visual style was odd — it had low saturation, almost grayish tones. It stood out from typical colorful cartoons.
Art style: I can’t recall exactly, but it felt like something in between the smoother style of Teen Titans (2003) and more exaggerated cartoony animation.
I vaguely recall the girl begging or pleading before being thrown in, but nobody helped her.
What it wasn’t:
I’ve already checked and it’s definitely not: Billy and Mandy, Happy Tree Friends, Superjail!, or Courage the Cowardly Dog.
If this rings any bells, or if anyone remembers something similar, I’d really appreciate any leads — even if it turns out to be a lost episode, a banned scene, or just something obscure.
Thank you guys so much in advance!
Edited by ReconditeBoil434openStrange entries in Life is Strange
Life is Strange has three weird entries on the bottom. The first is a fangame, the second are spiritual successors. Can they be cut?
Unofficial but notable works related to this franchise:
- Love Is Strange, a visual novel with characters from the first game made by Team Rumblebee and released in 2016. It jettisons all the sci-fi and tragic elements to focus purely on the Queer Romance aspects.
- Tell Me Why, released in 2020, a non-series game also developed by DONTNOD, with invokedvery similar themes. Due to having a different publisher it officially takes place in a separate continuity to Life Is Strange... but that hasn't stopped fans of the series from adopting it unofficially as an LIS title.
- Lost Records: Bloom & Rage, expected in early 2025, another non-series game developed (and this time self-published) by Don't Nod. Intended as the start of a new independent IP that draws on the studio's experience of making Life is Strange, again with similar themes but officially unconnected to the LiS universe.
openImage upload help
Does anyone know how to make images in captions not look too wide as demonstrated on the picture bellow (the picture bellow illustrates how I want to make images appear in captions, but I don’t know how, because each time I try myself it fails)

openYack Fest, "Post a random song (one per poster per day)"
On the forum "Post a random song (one per poster per day)". There's a rule that says, for good reason, anyone posting a submission can only make one post per day. this is clearly stated in the Forum rules
"Post one song per poster, per day. This is so the thread doesn't fill up too rapidly."
Now before I posted there I made sure anything I posted would be compliant with the forum rules and familiarised myself with them.
I've just received a PM from troper themayorofsimpleton which states that I did in fact break this forum rule by posting twice on the same day.
With respect, I do not think I did. One posting was made on Sunday evening. The second posting was made on the Monday morning. No previous or subsequent postings were made on either day. Therefore, I was in compliance with the rule copied above. The timestamps on the postings show one was on the 11/5/25 - May 11th - and the second one was on 12/5/25 - May 12th - made approximately 13 hours apart, but on two seperate days.
Could I ask:
Whose time zone are we using to delineate this rule? I work in GMT (well, British Summer time which is GMT +1). Is the forum perhaps using somebody else's time zone as the datum marker? If the default time zone is PST or something that's a long way behind GMT, then maybe it is the case that - inadvertently - I did post twice on the Sunday.
Perhaps the rule at the top of the forum should therefore be clarified -
"Post one song per poster, in any one twenty-four hour period. This is so the thread doesn't fill up too rapidly."
This makes it more objective and therefore less prone to ambiguity?
And yes - I will undertake not to post more than once in any given 24 hour period...
Edited by AgProvopenFolder adding in SongAssociation.
I noticed examples in Song Association are separated under AC's, but I thought folders would be better, and be easy to read. Do I need permission to do this or can I do it myself? I am being careful about what I edit and touch.
Edit: I forgot to state my other question, but are Creators limited? I want to add some record labels. The pages will obviously be within writing standards, but the reason I am asking if there are permissions in pages is due to the Useful Notes fiasco from three months ago, and I don't want to get suspended for doing anything incorrect, so I want to be extra careful of what pages I edit or start here.
Edited by surname4u

So, regarding this example from the Unnecessary Makeover page:
That last part really seems to me like a case of Too Much Information, especially with the way it's worded. I was going to remove it, but I thought I should ask first, because maybe I'm just being too prudish.
Edited by Bluethorn