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openEdit War Western Animation
Jumbo J 99 is doing an Edit War on What If…? (2021).
He added a really complaining entry of Took Bleak Stopped Caring to the ymmv (saying it now applied to the whole MCU). It was removed for being both a moment and the work itself ends pretty optimistically.
He then re-added it with a bunch of really reaching and sometimes incorrect versions of how things will in his opinion go
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Like We have no clue if project insight will happen here and Carter could still stop it, We see in the finale that Tchalla and Quill are going to stop Ego, Loki is also defeated in the finale and a new avengers is formed who will probably deal with Malekith, Strange accepts his punishment and is even at peace, the zombie stuff is apparently going to be covered in another show, I have no idea where the nuclear war will destroy the earth comes from as that's not even in the episode and Killmonger is too stopped.
The show has been well received and from what I've seen loved by the fanbase for the dark moments so I don't think it's an example. Even ignoring that several of these entries are blatantly not true.
openJackpot21 edit war in Ladybug's fridge page Western Animation
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Fridge/MiraculousLadybug
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Tropers/Jackpot21
Yep.
Though this time, hopefully this is a more straightforward case that won't turn into a shouting match.
So yesterday Jackpot was on the Ladybug fridge page and removed a few entries, a concept I personally find rather poor in taste. For some of the removed bits Jackpot gives a reason.
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Alya already established herself worthy of being a heroine nor has Cholé been contrasted with the other heroes. Marinette and Adrien have had several slip ups that go ignored like Juleka, but even then that isn’t enough to say she’s a terrible liar.
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TLDR on the first one, there are a series of fridge observations regarding Chloe B and her (fanbase aggravating) rise and fall in hero worth that compare and contrast and several of them, though not all of them, were removed by Jackpot. For example how Marinette's stress dreams in Sentibubbler where Chloe (and Cat Blanc) appeared could be because Marinette was more hurt by the Chloe fall than she lets on, or that she sees self-hypocrisy in giving Alya her miraculous full time (the latter part Jackpot keeps), and how one can contrast Alya specifically distracting Marinette's friends in another episode with a fake bad ankle, thus helping Marinette sneak off and drawing a comparison with how Chloe would act in a 'oh hey an Akuma, time to be Queen Bee' scenario in season 3 at several points. (This builds off several other fridges by several others, including myself, in contrasts with Chloe with things like her replacement's costume, the hero King Monkey and how his development contrasts with that of Queen Bee, and an entry of mine that Jackpot had deleted some time ago comparing Chloe's actions to that of the other temp heroes in one episode)
So, while I decided that my own entry on Juleka's noticeable secret identity slip ups was probably not worth fighting for, I restored most of what Jackpot had removed. The page is edited fairly often by myself and others, so these entries were all either by others or ideas I had submitted and had been edited by others into an new form over the course of other edits over the course of months (being tweaked with words and links by others to better the entry), noting to Jackpot where the Alya and Chloe comparison stuff had come from and a bit on how I don't see the problem in people having their own fridge conclusions you don't agree with.
Like people can think about stuff in the plot that isn't being said aloud that you don't necessarily agree with, and it can still be there.
So afterwards I have a bit of a spree of ideas and do a few more edit bits into Ladybug's fridge page, a few more ideas, a few expanding sentences for context, a few spelling corrections, some stuff like that.
Then comes the Edit War, where Jackpot removes a few of the same entries again. The removed entries the first and second time by Jackpot are.
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- Trixx is in the Miracle Box when Luka rushes to retrieve Sass. It’s likely that Alya occasionally returns her Kwami to the box to throw off Shadow Moth, as was done in episodes like Hack-San.
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Which I had expanded on after putting back with a point that she did just that to enhance the fridge argument.
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there are two options: either Marinette, who initially seemed not too taken aback by her betrayal, was far more hurt by it than she let on, or
being removed from
- As for why Chloé is in the dream, there are two options: either Marinette, who initially seemed not too taken aback by her betrayal, was far more hurt by it than she let on, or it’s likely Marinette recognizes her hypocrisy in letting Alya keep the Fox Miraculous even though Shadow Moth knows her true identity while she benched Chloé for the exact same reason.
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This entry below, which was one that, while I had created the original one, had been edited and improved by others since including Jackpot over the course of two months into the above form.
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- Gabriel was the one to figure out a creative plan for Optigami when Nathalie was convinced it was a failure after the straightforward spying mission went nowhere. Gabriel is a designer by trade after all; he's a bit more creative than her.
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And his other 'I had created the base idea that others had then expanded, tweaked, and improved on' entry.
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- This episode continues Season 4's subtle contrast between Chloé's worthiness and that of other temporary wielders. When Alya sees a brewing Akuma event in episode, and Marinette requests a distraction, she immediately fakes a bad ankle to let Marinette slip away and prety much ensure she'd have no chance to use Trixx this time. Last season, Chloé took multiple Akuma attacks as a moment to be Queen Bee first and foremost.
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This being Jackpot's argument for removing stuff I had put back.
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This page is for pointing out certain details that aren’t addressed in the series, not for people to make their own conclusions. The entries I removed were either speculative, redundant, or are your interpretations.
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Like...not entirely sure what the point of that is. Going 'this is a plausible reason why the Kwami was back in the box when he would otherwise not be', especially with an example of that happening in the series, feels like it covers that threshold.
Though given that four fridge entries, by multiple people adding and working on them, got removed twice in an editing sequence...more straightforward right?
openSouth park episode Western Animation
Okay, it's me again, the problem is still my memory. I was asking myself what was that episode of South Park in which I remember there was a character with the aspect of a kinda freak or disabled, a kid-character which seems a loser, but with an amazing deep voice (at least in the dubbed italian version), who in the end of the episode performs a very good speech. The character only appears in this episode. I think it's an old episode.
The character I'm talking about is not Jimmy.
The episode is not "Freak Strike".
Please, can someone help me to recollect?
openJackpot21 removing Fridges from Ladybug that are good/fixable instead of bad (At least IMO) Western Animation
...Yes, I know, but I can assure you that Jackpot has no interest in talking to me and discussions on the pages have not worked for me.
(NOTE: The following is for the stuff removed in the 10:37 PM edit on October 19th. While I have other things that I disagree with Jackpot removing in past edits, I put those on the Discussion page and the Mods prefer one or the other).
First: in the removal of a additional bit onto an Fridge for 'Gang of Secrets'. This fridge bit.
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The fact that Marinette wasn´t akumatized after breaking up with Luka isn´t so strange. She's been trying to distract herself from her sadness, probably to avoid attracting Shadow Moth's attention.
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This is what was removed.
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- Also, her anger is towards Shadow Moth. Considering his actions as villain, for Gabriel it should be nothing particular that a civilian hates his alter-ego.
- It's also very likely Gabriel deliberately doesn't send akuma after people who are specifically angry at Hawk/Shadow Moth themselves because they'd be very unlikely to cooperate with him and/or he'd be empowering people that want to directly use it against him. He's used people angry at "Gabriel" before since they don't realize that's the person they are cooperating with and he's safe in his lair from them, but akumatizing someone who wants to target his villain self would probably be counter productive.
- Also, her anger is towards Shadow Moth. Considering his actions as villain, for Gabriel it should be nothing particular that a civilian hates his alter-ego.
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While you could probably streamline this a bit, this is not a unfair point. The guy can sense what is causing a negative emotion, he monologues about what is causing the pain when he hears it. It is not hard to add onto the above point with that additional point.
Second: from Crocoduel. This one could have used some tweaking in the flow at the end, but he cut off the end part of this
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- Juleka's hero form, like her akuma form, is a lot brighter than her normal get up. However Rose's is not darker looking like her akuma, but just as bright as normal. Both an Akuma and a Miraculous bring out an inner look for a hero and a villain, and both girls do admire the other. Other neither seem to see a dark clad hero as ideal: they don't want to be Batman they want to be like Ladybug or Majesta.
To this
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- Juleka's hero form, like her akuma form, is a lot brighter than her normal get up. However Rose's is not darker looking like her akuma, but just as bright as normal. Both an Akuma and a Miraculous bring out an inner look for a hero and a villain, and both girls do admire the other.
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With the bit missing it it lacks the clarification that the idea is that while they admire the looks of the other (the bright Rose to the dark Juleka and vice versa), their idea of what a hero is the same (bright).
Third from Optigami
This is the original version
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- Shadow Moth choosing Nino/Carapace as the one to impersonate makes a lot of sense. As Adrien's friend, he's over their place constantly so he'd be overly familiar with his attitude and how to convincingly act like him. And in "Heart Hunter", he battled Fu as Jade Turtle who transformed in front of him and used his power so he remembered Wayzz's name (and depending on the language version the words to transform) and how to use Shelter properly so he could even convincingly impersonate Carapace. He only gives himself away by not reciprocating Alya's handshake properly, something that Gabriel would have never seen. While Gabriel also saw most of the rest transform in "Miracle Queen", he barely knows anything about them and could possibly slip up, and in the case of Kagami, while he is familiar with her enough to convincingly impersonate her, she didn't transform in Miracle Queen so him not knowing Longg's name (especially when Kagami herself was happy to see him again last time) to transform would raise suspicions. It also let him get Alya as bait, as was said in episdoe.
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This is what it was edited to.
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- Shadow Moth choosing Nino/Carapace as the one to impersonate makes a lot of sense. As Adrien's friend, he's over their place constantly so he'd be overly familiar with his attitude and how to convincingly act like him. And in "Heart Hunter", he battled Fu as Jade Turtle who transformed in front of him and used his power so he remembered Wayzz's name (and depending on the language version the words to transform) and how to use Shelter properly so he could even convincingly impersonate Carapace. He only gives himself away by not reciprocating Alya's handshake properly, something that Gabriel would have never seen.
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While episdoe did need to be fixed, I don't see the point in removing the last bit. The idea in the above clarifies why the Kagami option was not considered. (there is some show reasons why that would be caught quicker, but this is in moth's mind, not Cat's mind). It's not bad information to elaborate on.
Fourth: Also from Optigami the following was removed.
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- Chloe was the only temporary hero who did not show heroic traits in this episode whne in a situation to do sonote Kim missed the entire snafu by getting into one of his self-inflicted races, and thus was in no place to help anyone, while Chloe did, from making the moves to be ready in case they were needed to helping others try to get to safety. Another step in the 'Chloe was never a hero' demonstration.
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Several other tropes entries describe bits that elaborate on showing how Chloe was not ever a true hero from her uniform to why her complex developed in Maledictator to comparing King Monkey to Queen Bee by multiple tropers. The episode does feature virtually every other present temp hero to show these traits, which I see no reason to discard as an observation of Fridge Brilliance.
While there are other removals I do disagree with, these are the ones that strike me as the most counterproductive and needless and would like help either restoring them properly, or a good reason why they should stay off.
(Last time I had raised a forum here on the topic, https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=104957&type=att
, in regards to a Sevens Fridge removal, but not only is some of this stuff individual Fridge bits and not an additional point (though most of these are), well as was said in that entry by the one respondent War Jay 77 could be summed as 'if we stretched it could be called Natter but doing that would basically require a scrubbing of all fridge pages' in regards to these points and others.
So...is there anything that can be done in this situation?
openQuestion about page clean up? Western Animation
I'd like to ask where I would go to post a request for a page or pages to be cleaned up? The pages related to Western Animation/Chaotic and it's subages need some serious adjustments as its still from the very earliest stages of TV Tropes, including stuff like "This Troper" and stuff like that.
I have no idea how to do it myself, so I'd like to leave it in the hands of people who can do it better
openIncredibles 2 Award Snub Western Animation
The Award Snub entry has been a contentious one for Incredibles 2, and has been added and deleted multiple times over the years.
Those that add it are fans of the franchise, jubilant over finally getting a sequel and are disappointed it didn't win the Best Animated Picture Oscar.
Those that remove it point out that it's not an Award Snub situation, Incredibles 2 ran against Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse which was universally acclaimed to be a groundbreaking achievement in animation. As such Incredibles 2 simply lost to a superior film.
We're in the situation of it being added back again with the troper, perkeez, insisting that "Some people preferred Incredibles 2. As long as some people agree with the entry, it belongs in YMMV."
I don't know if it's worth arguing that point, however, I think the entry as currently written is problematic:
- Award Snub: Incredibles 2 was a strong contender for the 2018 Best Animated Feature Academy Award, but was very unlucky another great animated film was released in the same year. It lost to Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse, which broke a six year run (2012-2017) of a Disney/Pixar film winning that category. Incredibles 2 only received 7 wins and 40 nominations compared to 40 wins and 71 nominations for Spider-Verse. In most other years, Incredibles 2 would have won the Academy Award.
Issues:
1) It leans very heavily into the presumption that if Spiderverse was not in the running then Incredibles 2 clearly would have won the award. In 2018 there were several equally good challengers. Wreck-It Ralph 2, Isle of Dogs, Incredibles 2. To imply that Incredibles 2 was the clear winner of those three, is speculation and doesn't need to be part of the example.
2) The line "broke a six year run" is just a trivia factoid that has nothing to do with Incredibles 2 being snubbed or not and kinda implies that Incredibles 2 was snubbed simply because of its Disney/ Pixar pedigree.
3) The wins/nominations statistics should be removed. While it illustrates how Spiderverse won more awards and thus won the Oscar, the gap between it and Incredibles 2 is quite large. Spiderverse won over 5 times the awards (40 vs 7) and had almost double the nominations (71 vs 40). These facts show just how much of an underdog Incredibles 2 was to winning the Oscar that year and undermines the case that an Award Snub even occurred at all.
I opened a discussion on this and three tropers participated (myself, perkeez, and Larkman) but we could not achieve a consensus.
Reference: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=YMMV.Incredibles2#comment-141341
I suggested this wording to reflect the feedback of Larkman and myself... (Example A)
- Award Snub: Although Incredibles 2 was a solid candidate for the 2018 Best Animated Feature Academy Award, it lost to the equally great Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse. It was clearly a case of two strong films being in competition but There Can Be Only One and Spiderverse ran a clean sweep of the awards circuit that year.
Perkeez suggested this wording which takes into account issue #3. (Example B)
- Award Snub: Although Incredibles 2 was a solid candidate for the 2018 Best Animated Feature Academy Award, it lost to the equally great Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse, breaking a six year run (2012-2017) of a Disney/Pixar film winning that category. It was clearly a case of two strong films being in competition but There Can Be Only One and Spiderverse ran a clean sweep of the awards circuit that year. In most other years, Incredibles 2 would likely have won the Academy Award.
So I put before you:
A) Should Incredibles 2 even have an Award Snub entry at all?
B) If yes, which wording is the best for the example? Example A or Example B?
Edited by rva98014open Omega Character Page Western Animation
I would like to argue against the inclusion of Ambiguous Gender Identity on the official character page for Omega of The Bad Batch. Throughout the entire show she has been presented as female and identified as such by other characters. She was identified as female in the very first episode by Tech who specifically said that he was looking at her DNA. In the episode "Bounty Lost" Tech explains that she has unaltered Jango DNA. Tech referred to the alterations in question as rapid aging, and increased obediance. Furthermore this trope implies that Omega herself is unsure what her gender is, when she has been presenting herself as female throughout the entire show. She did not correct Cad Bane when he referred to her as "little lady" nor did she do it to anyone else that referred to her as a girl. The point here is that there is no ambiguity that Omega sees herself as female regardless if she was born that way or not. There is absolutely no problem with fan interpretations of her as transgender but it should be delegated to the YMMV page.
open Is there such a thing as a "Trusted Editor"? Western Animation
I've noticed that a troper, in their profile, listed themselves as a Trusted Editor of a specific set of pages here on tvtropes.
I hadn't ever come across that term before. If this a real thing, I'd be curious to know how that role works?
Or is it just a self-proclaimed title chosen by the troper that has no real meaning?
Edited by rva98014openMasters of the Universe Revelation story being troped even though it is incomplete. Western Animation
I'm not intending to add more fuel to the many discussions going on regarding MOTUR and its "lying creator" and/or "woke" issues but rather to ask a question on the presentation of the story itself and how tvtropes should respond to it.
The MOTUR story was conceived, created, written, produced, edited, and scored to be a cohesive 10 episode mini-series. Although all 10 episodes are virtually complete, Netflix has decided to release the story in two five-episode binge bundles because... reasons.
So all we have is part one with a part two release date still TBD. As a result, the story page for the mini-series contains tropes, that in all honesty, can't be justified until the entire story has been told.
Just a cursory glance shows tropes like: Bad Guy Wins, Chuck Cunningham Syndrome, Death by Cameo, Decoy Protagonist, Defrosting Ice Queen, Demoted to Extra that only describe the context of episodes 1-5 and are very, very likely to change or even be invalidated when episodes 6-10 drop.
I understand the edit wars surrounding "lying creator" and the various "girl power / woke" issues have led to a call for page locking.
I'm wondering if the page lock, if implemented, should extend to include the main story and character pages until the entire story drops.
If not, is there another way to address making tropers aware that it's only a half-told story and there are inappropriate / unjustified tropes that one should think twice about adding at this point?
Otherwise it seems there's going to be a considerable amount of revising and re-editing of the trope list when the full story is told which renders the current tvtropes content somewhat pointless.
Edited by rva98014openNo Title Western Animation
Can I get some help expanding this article I made?
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Fanfic/PhineasAndFerbTheAdventuresOfBeatriceFlynnTheRobotGirl
I'd do it myself. But I generally have a bit to do on my plate, so I don't really have the time to do it. Also, I'm generally bad at trying to figure out how to link tropes together. Seriously, I only recently relearned how to set up folders.
Please help.
openZero-context example? Western Animation
So this example caught my attention on the YMMV subpage for VeggieTales:
- Seasonal Rot: A show about talking vegetables was bound to succumb to this. Phil stated in a podcast that he noticed that the post-Jonah episodes aren't as successful (in terms of selling) as the older ones, and speculates how it's probably how the media reacts nowadays.
I think it might be a Zero-Context Example, since you'd expect the example to explain what in the show itself is demonstrating the seasonal rot. How the media reacts to it doesn't seem like it should be the explanation here. So, would it be a zero-context example?
openNot an example of Idiot Plot? Western Animation
From Idiot Plot - Animated Films:
- The entire Final Battle of Incredibles 2 could have been shortened considerably if not outright avoided, allowing the capture the Big Bad before they fled the ship and preventing the entire crash, had anyone actually targeted the mind-controlling goggles during the fights. It's at least a bit understandable with the kids given their age and lack of experience, but the adults really should have tried just plucking them off instead of running or fighting until the goggles happened to fall off. Ironically the only character who does do this is Jack-Jack, entirely by accident, when reaching for his mom, showing how swift and effortless it really would have been.
In reality, adults did try to remove mind-controlling goggles from other supers as soon as they're freed (of course, with the difficulty of taking away a mind-controlling device from an enhanced human who fights back), and they manage to remove them, they don't just "happen to fall off". It's true that in the previous scenes kids didn't try to remove the goggles, but the entry itself suggests that their age and lack of experience can be a forgiving factor.
Since it's not A story driven entirely by all the characters being idiots that would otherwise take less than five minutes to resolve, but a specific scene, wouldn't that count at best as a Downplayed Idiot Ball, and perhaps not even that?
Bumping because the entry was readded. Edited by gc10
openDisputing recent deletion (Invincible 2021: Spoilers) Western Animation
I had recently added the following example to the YMMV page of Invincible (2021):
- What An Idiot: Despite being shown to be a very competent team of heroes, several members of the Guardians of the Globe grab the Idiot Ball hard during their fight with Omni-Man.
- [[spoiler: The first thing Red Rush does when the fight starts is shove Immortal out of the way of Omni-Man’s sneak attack, saving Immortal’s life. Then when Omni-Man continues to attack, Red Rush counters Omni-Man’s speed by moving his teammates out of the way at the last second, frustrating Omni-Man.
- [[spoiler: Darkwing functions as the team’s Batman Expy, using stealth, gadgets, skill and intelligence to take out his opponents. He’s also just seen Omni-Man murder Red Rush.
These additions were deleted with the following justification:
My Little Xero: Simply doesn't fit, as we barely know anything about the character before their deaths, claiming that they're holding the Idiot Ball is simply inaccurate as we need to know their typical behavior to call it as such, in addition as we see when the Guardians fight the Mauler Twins, the tactics used the by the characters to fight Omni-Man are pretty much the same so this
Naturally, I disagree. For one thing, the part of editing reason is inaccurate, as the tactics used by the mentioned characters in a previous fight are different from the ones they used vs Omni-Man. Against the Mauler Twins (who are much weaker than Omni-Man), Darkwing actually maintained distance, uses his weapons effectively and did not try to drop kick either of them. Likewise, Red Rush only engages the Mauler Twins (who are both much slower than Omni-Man) in melee when Green Ghost immobilizes them. So in both instances, the heroes tactics were different in their fight with Omni-Man than they were with the Mauler Twins.
Beyond them simply not being as effective as before, the tactics in both cases are suicidally stupid. Literally so since it gets them both killed (along with other members of their team), and I feel What an Idiot was made for moments of that kind of stupidity, regardless of how little we might know about the characters in general.
Furthermore, a lack of knowledge of a character does not invalidate the use of What An Idiot listings. Taken directly from the What An Idiot page:
"Because most viewers have basic common sense, one would usually expect the same from characters on TV shows. Any negative deviation from such usually prompts a Face Palm and the comment "What an idiot!" or similar, hence the entry name."
The page also mentions that some characters are supposed to be idiots, but goes on to say how that does not invalidate including them in What An Idiot entries. It merely asks that you summarize such moments rather than list them all.
If it's specifically the inclusion of the Idiot Ball trope that makes this inaccurate, I can remove it. I have ZERO intentions of getting into any kind of an editing war, so I'd like other opinions on the matter, to make sure I'm not in the wrong or anything before I take any additional steps.
Edited by Ares101openRaya and the Last Dragon - Villain has a Point Western Animation
This has been added and removed by various tropers, the most recent of which is rva98014:
- Villain Has a Point: Downplayed. Namaari isn't a villain so much as she is the story's antagonist, but towards the climax, she's not wrong when she soberly points out two things. First, she tells Raya that while Sisu was the bigger person and bothered to trust Namaari, the disasterous outcome happened because Raya didn't trust Sisu's judgement nor anyone else. Second, although Namaari bringing a crossbow played a part in Sisu's Disney Death, Raya causing the misfire technically makes it Raya's fault as well.
For some context, the hero accidentally causes a crossbow bolt to kill a supporting character who could have saved the world. The person who she made accidentally shoot said character blames her, and the animation supports this.
Can we get a consensus, here? For the record, I really do think it was solely Namaari's fault, but it's not supported in the movie itself, and Word of God hasn't said anything on if both characters were in the right/wrong.
Edited by FishiousRendopenEdit war on Captain Planet YMMV Western Animation
Last month, Sedaver added this
to Captain Planet and the Planeteers under Harsher in Hindsight. I removed it after taking it to the clean up thread
, noting in the edit reason that it violated the ROCEJ. Today, I found that they had readded it, with this edit reason:
This entry was meant to refer to the Capitol Riot itself, not Trump.
Edited by fraggleloveropen TinyLittleLetters Western Animation
Tiny Little Letters makes a lot of edits on Tangled: The Series pages. I deleted shoehorns here
, here
, here
, here
, and here
— darn, I cut a lot; have I grown trigger-happy? I wrote an edit reason for each deletion though. But what I want to talk about is that I suspect this troper does Draco in Leather Pants.
- Here
, meet Rapunzel the Death Eater who makes the poor Varian suffer.
- Laser-Guided Karma: Done en masse. Toward the end of Season 1, the people of Corona turned their backs on Varian and denied him when he begged them for help. Now, he's allied himself with the Saporians and has taken over the kingdom, with Corona's citizens being forced to mine crystals for Varian's chemicals so the Saporians can use them to their advantage.
A few days ago, the same troper added this on YMMV.Tangled The Series:
- Catharsis Factor:
- After seeing them display disturbing Lack of Empathy towards his problems in the second half of Season 1, with King Frederic hunting down Varian for the Demanitus Scroll and chasing him out of his own home, and Rapunzel never checking on Varian after Zhan Tiri's blizzard was over (thus abandoning him for months on end), as well as expressing little-to-no concern for his well-being even when seeing Quirin encased in amber, Varian gloating in their faces over abducting Queen Arianna is quite satisfying, especially when he taunts Frederic to his face and puts Rapunzel through physical pain while using her hair as a drill. This also goes true for Varian, in his giant automaton, grabbing Arianna away from them, after they'd shared a warm and long hug right in front of him as he breaks down over failing to free his father.
So, what to do about this? Maybe I should talk to this troper but I don't know how. "Even if you're grief-stricken, it's not nice to enslave and kill innocent people?"
openFanfic trope page is connected to actual trope Western Animation
Could you please help me? I was creating a fanfic trope page but the name of the story happened to be La Resistance and that's a trope itself. So, now it connects the fanfic trope page with the actual trope itself. Is there a way to fix that?
openShould the "Giant's Dream" have spoiler tags? Western Animation
A recent ATT thread
discussed The Iron Giant which had been made "spoilers off" 2 years ago and the consensus was that should be "spoilers on" again.
There's a little debate over what story details should be spoiler tagged. The obvious consensus was the nuclear strike on Rockwell and the Giant's sacrifice to save it as well as the reveal that the Giant survived and was re-assembling itself in Iceland.
However, there's some contention about whether the contents of the "Giant's Dream" should be tagged as well. As a quick recap, after the encounter with the hunters, deer and rifle, the Giant has a dream that night that reveals glimpses about his origin... that he was created to be one of an army of robots who were designed to be a planetary invasion force and had the firepower to physically tear a planet apart.
The dream sequence was cut because of financial constraints due to WB Animation shutting down their animation department even as the production team was frantically trying to get The Iron Giant finished.
It was never included in the theatrical release nor in the early waves of dvds & bluray releases. It wasn't until the 2015 "Signature Edition" that the scene was completed and restored into the film.
As such, for a majority of readers who aren't big Iron Giant fans then this is a plot point that is not widely known and, in my opinion, worthy of spoiler tags.
If the majority of viewers aren't aware of the Giant's sacrifice at the end such that it warrants spoiler tags, then they surely aren't going to know about the Giant's Dream and I feel it deserves the same consideration.
Edited by rva98014openNo Edit Reason Western Animation
The four most recent edits of https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=cristian1234
have just been deletions without any edit reasons which I would have just contented myself on sending them a message if two of those edits weren't big edits and all of them didn't seem to have a discernible reason behind it.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=YMMV.DarkwingDuck
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=YMMV.DuckTales2017
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Funny.DuckTales2017Season3#edit27064396
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Funny.Ducktales2017Season2#edit27064636

Are Late-Arrival Spoiler entries allowed to be spoiler marked? Because I just found one on Characters.Ninjago Ninja, and it seems a little weird to me (the marking, not the entry itself).