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openLiterature/Molesworth Literature
molesworth... The entire page reads like a Self-Demonstrating article. Said self demonstrating includes a ton a grammar and spelling errors. The Fanfic Recs and Trivia pages have the same problem.
openBadly-made work page Literature
This page seems very inappropriately made. The issue of self-promotion aside, it contains many instances of This Troper, use of first person and a fair amount of Natter. Anyone familiar with the work care to do some clean-up?
Edited by LogoPopenPoorly-written page Literature
I see a lot of bad writing in A Girl Who Brought Down the World, such as misusing the spoiler tags. Are the spoiler tags the only problem that you notice, or does the page itself need a bigger cleanup?
Edited by MitchellProductionsopen Hoist by his own petard "indirectly" (Hamlet Spoilers) Literature
[Post writing this out edit: This can basically be summed up as "Does it count as Hoist By His Own Petard if the person who dies only dies as an indirect result of their actions/plotting?" and i'm specifically talking about Hamlet's death.] Would Hamlet's own death count as a case of "Hoist By His Own Petard"? Laertes was driven to murderous intent against hamlet because Hamlet's plotting resulted in the deaths of Laertes father and sister. It was killing ophelia that was the breaking point, and Hamlet had continuously pushed Ophelia towards madness as part of his scheme to feign insanity. Had Hamlet never driven Ophelia to madness he would not have died himself. So does this count as an indirect case of "Hoist By his own petard"? or is does it have to be a direct action that causes the death? (For those curious btw i'm actually writing a paper on this trope and how it applies to both Hamlet's character and the play as a whole) While i'm asking, would polonius's death also count as Hoist by His Own Petard? I'm pretty sure not because he was straight up stabbed, but he was stabbed because he was spying on Hamlet for the king. It's even more of a stretch than whether or not hamlet counts as HBHOP.
openFandomSpecificPlot question Literature
A Christmas Carol has hundreds and hundreds of adaptations, but also fanfics, some of which have specific plots.
I added "* Fandom-Specific Plot: Many fanfics tend to revolve around freeing Jacob Marley of his chains or setting Scrooge up with Belle after his reformation, usually by having her husband die. Other common fics have Scrooge/Marley as a pairing, in life or after death."
to the book's page since it was fandom-specific and many of the ones I've read are based on the book as opposed to a movie. jamespolk then removed it saying it should go on an adaptation page, but many fics are nonspecific about which version they follow so most people assume they're book-based unless said otherwise. Where should it go, if anywhere?
Also apparently Fandom-Specific Plot itself isn't a YMMV trope, but its related page shows it on tons of YMMV pages.
Edited by lalalei2001openOn the page for Zabibah and the King. Literature
Should we recreate this page? The book itself is more like a historical curiosity than a classic in Iraqi literature since it was written by Saddam Hussein (under the not so clever pen name of S. Hussein).
Edited by Albino_Axolotlopenftl-capable alien species female protagonist merging consciousness with whale/ship/alien Literature
ftl-capable Space whale/living ship/alien species female protagonist merging consciousness with whaleshipalien (too long for title)
Sooo I've been through many of your tropes that rang with what I'm looking for. The only one I haven't found (that's in the title) is the merging cousciousness. Looking for the book for a friend, but I'll definitely read it myself when I get the title, because it sounds pretty awesome.
So then the somewhat vague description I have is:
A book about a girl and a strange alien species that are ftl capable. Humans ride the alien species by entering them and merging their consciousness. In the end the girl completely lets go of her consciousness and becomes one with her spacewhale. Yes, so I spoiled it for me too. The human society doesn't know of the transformations pilots undergo and it was found catalogued under juvenile/childrens book in a library.
Well it's vague, but thanks for hearing me out. If you have any clarifying questions, please tell me and I'll pass them on. My friend read the book when she was young, so maybe the answers won't be as clear as you are hoping for.
open How to write a character who was abused? Literature
Okay, I have this character in mind that I want to write. His name is Valentino, and yes, he's Italian. When he was younger, his parents were alcoholics, and they accumulated a lot of debt, so they sold him as a Indentured servant to a wealthy family. There, he meet Johann, the grandson of the wealthy couple, who believes Tino is a girl because he was forced to wear a maids uniform while he worked with his family. Anyway, whenever Valentino was at his parent's house, they mistreated him. Like, a lot. His father sometimes beat him for not being a girl, like his father wanted him to be, and his mother would force him a small closet whenever she had guests over, and told him that if he made a sound, he would be beaten. Johann, who is three years older than Valentino, wrote to him often during the year. (He visited his grandparents during the summers, but stopped when his mother past away when he was twelve.) Valentino never received these letters, because his parents take them and hide them from Valentino until they stopped coming. Valentino never forgot Johann, and is sad because he thinks Johann forgot about him. When Valentino turned eighteen, he joined the navy and served a term (six years). When he revisits his parents, he is forced to clean out the attic, where he finds all of Johann's old letters. Valentino has enough of his parents and mails himself in a crate to his old friend. So, that's his backstory. Anyway, the problem I have is that I intend having Valentino be this innocent, fun-loving person, almost as if he's reliving his childhood, but I don't know if that falls in line with his backstory. I'm not a psychologist.
openIncomplete Work Page Literature
I came across Literature.Rai Kirah today while checking my watchlist updates. It's a recently created page made by indigoazure
.. The issue here is that, at the time of this writing, there's no description for the work whatsoever. All it has is, and I quote, "(Also commonly written as Rai-Kirah). A fantasy series of three books by Carol Berg." and then a list of the three books in the trilogy. There's a few issues with the tropes themselves, the most glaring being three tropes listed on one bullet and whose context was quotations direct from the book itself. I just flat out deleted those and commented out anything else blatantly zero context. (EDIT: The editor has fixed the three on one bullet tropes by putting at least two as their own tropes with context)
I've sent the page creator a PM about fixing the description, specifically linking to How to Create a Work's Page and quoting the relevant portion to make the point. I'm mostly posting here, too, to have everything "on the record" so to speak in case any further action is needed later.
Edited by sgamer82open Hey, I'm pretty much completely new here..., Literature
So where do I go to learn how to properly formatted page, because I noticed that a certain franchise, and I'm a decent fan of doesn't have a page on this wiki at all... and I would like to change that, but I don't want to break any rules or get myself in trouble simply due to being a complete newbie.
open Jana Whitaker in YOLO (internet girls #4) Literature
does she cut or she depressed? (ie. there's a part in yolo that says something like "why would jana post about almost cutting herself?" she gained a lot of weight, and the status updates the winsome threesome report on her, are very upsetting?)
openLiterature/Survivors, Too Dumb To Live Example Literature
On Literature/Survivors, there is this example of Too Dumb to Live:
"The other dogs, from Lucky's point of view (and probably the readers' as well). Individual dogs' antics include going back into a house they just established was filled with carbon monoxide (especially since it had caused the one dog to become unconscious and they had just rescued her), swimming too far out in the river after Lucky had just warned them about it being deep and fast, and one dog trying to put a collar back on after he'd gotten it caught on a bush and nearly choked himself to death."
Now, there are... problems with this example. One, in the book proper, the Leashed Dogs (pet dogs) agree to hold on to one memento as a reminder of their longpaws. (human owners) Of course, this means returning to the houses to get them. Daisy, the one who lived in the house that now has a gas leak, holds her breath as she goes in, knowing the second time around that she shouldn't inhale the toxins. Two, while I don't recall enough to talk about the example with the river, I do know that in a later book, Lucky is actually grateful that the Leashed Dogs kept their collars on, as it saved one dog's (Mickey's, who was the one who almost choked to death in the first place) life.
So, what should we do about this example? In fact, the page could use a little cleaning up, with the series still having new entries being written.
open Time traveling Dumbledore army Literature
so as shown in Harry POA Hogwarts and by extension Dumbledore has at least one time turners and apparently when they use a time turner they duplicate themselves I should also note that it is an established fact he is the only one Voldemort fears so with that in mind why doesn't he just create an army of himself i know in stories they say you seeing your future self will create a problem but whatever problem that is can't be worse than wizard hitler
open new royalty girl in winter kingdom? Literature
Hello All, In an ideal world it would be a book about a girl who somehow becomes a queen/(some form of power position) and must rule in a winter land, with a night full of monsters and magic. She isn't sure who she can trust, etc. So I have a very specific tone for the book I'm requesting. I'm looking for a mix between 'The Little White Horse' and 'A Game of Thrones'. Now let me explain, I would like the beauty and suspense of TLWH and from GOT I would like only the north. By that I mean only the feeling of Winterfell and beyond the wall. I'm looking for some creepy/suspense/horror/beautiful/fantasy/magic book, preferably with a dash of romance. You will be my friend for life if you can find me this obscure wish book. (I feel like I should just write this myself heh). Thank you fantastical people!
open Not the fall that kills you Literature
Is Richard Mayhew's fear of heights not because of the fall, but because he doesn't trust himself in Neverwhere an example of Not the Fall That Kills You?
openFound a page that needs a revert Literature
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=FanFic.BetterLeftUnsaid#
- looks like the page got overwritten by accident. Can a mod hit the revert button? (it doesn't appear I can do it myself).
openNo Title Literature
I was surprised at how few tropes the Maze Runner series had, until I tried to add one myself and found out many more of them are there, just hidden, with this message at the top of the individual edit pages:
"Zero Context Example entries are NOT allowed on wiki pages. All such entries have been commented out. Add context to the entries before uncommenting them."
What's the point of this? I've never seen it on any other pages I read or edited. Some of the "commented out" tropes DO have examples, and even if they don't, sometimes it's not even necessary because you can tell that someone is an Action Girl without listing every single Action Girly thing she's ever done. Can this be removed?
Edited by TheMoonopenNo Title Literature
Literature.Tom Swift and YMMV.Tom Swift both include a section on an MSTed version of one of the books, claiming it to be from Mystery Science Theater 3000. As far as I can determine it's not from the show, it's a Fan Fiction MST-ing of the book. As such it seems like the whole thing should be deleted, or at least moved to a Fan Fiction/ page. Anybody else have an opinion on this?
[1]
: In the paragraph re the MST fanfic "Dale Goes Nuts!" by John Nowak and Matt Plotecher:
- This particular fanfic is less grim ... and shorter than their later MSTing of the dime novel "Tom Swift and his War Tank." [link goes to the same page as the link on our Literature.Tom Swift page]
Furthermore, the page itself has the note "This MiSTing is [c] copyright 2001 by John Nowak and Matt Plotecher."
Edited by randomsurferopenNo Title Literature
Do earlier drafts of works that are changed significantly when they are finalized matter for trope entries?
I'm asking because in Carrera's Legions I removed the entry for A.K.A.-47 as not being the trope, guns renamed for trademark reasons, but simply using different names for equipment that's pretty much modern day (or even recent past) equipment IN THE FUTURE!.
enderheisenberg, who added the AKA-47 entry in the first place, re-added it after my removal (Edit War in and of itself), and added the line "These were direct conversions from early drafits where the story takes part on earth." That doesn't seem like it actually makes the entry an example, but there's enough uncertainty on my part that I thought I'd ask before taking any action.

First off, this is definitely not Dragon Slayer's Academy. I remember this one being a standalone book I read in the 5th grade, I believe? About 11 years ago.
I remember two of the main characters. A boy who was a Paige and bullied by the other Paiges for getting the job of fighting the dragon, with one of them sitting on him. The other was the princess who disguised herself as a boy named Bill to go kill the dragon; I believe this was because her father promised that whoever killed the dragon would get to marry her, but I might just be blending other stories with this one since it's been a while.