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openNothing to do with Creator Killer? Anime
I'm genuinely confused as to how this doesn't have anything to do with Creator Killer. I mean it, I thought it was an example from the minute I learned of it. Maybe the second half of the example doesn't have anything to do with the trope (and in fact would feel more at home under Old Shame), but I'm positive the first half has at least some link to the trope.
- The screenplay for Pokémon 3 has been blamed for killing series showrunner Takeshi Shudo's career. For him, the way the ending, which was supposed to have been ambiguous, was interpreted by the scriptwriter marked the beginning of the end. For the rest of his life, he had no kind word to say about the movie itself, going on record as saying that were his mother alive and missing he would never have even thought about abducting another's.
openArchEnemy Anime
Hello,
Me and another troper are having a disagreement about an Arch-Enemy entry on https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/DragonBallSuper
.
This is the entry in question:
- He's also beginning to shape up as one to Vegeta as well, considering that Vegeta has made it a point to come after and kill him after Black went after his family. Black returns none of these feelings and just see Vegeta as a Warm-Up Boss.
The 'he' in this case is Black. The disagreement is whether Vegeta sees Black as an Arch-Enemy. I think he does because Vegeta has shown several times that he wants to kill Black for killing Future Bulma and tormenting Future Trunks. He even says that he will pay after isolating himself in Episode 51. The other trope doesn't think Vegeta holds a personal grudged since his reaction seemed mild compared to Goku and Frieza. Which isn't really valid in my opinion.
So, I would like to get some feedback on what others think.
openDragon Ball Super Anime
Sorry, but there is a problem in the https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/YMMV/DragonBallSuper
. A troper named Monsund added some stuff to the YMMV that was based off of misinformation. Long story short, the troper added information and tropes for the Pilaf Gang such as Unintentionally Un Sympathetic and Moral Event Horizon. The misinformation being that they stole or took the last wish before Piccolo was killed in the Future Trunks' timeline. When in truth, they gathered the Dragon Balls on their own and made a wish that happened to be the final wish Shenron granted before dying. So they rightfully found the Dragon Balls and made their wish.
I know the YMMV is opinion base, but the information is factually incorrect and Unintentionally Un Sympathetic is misused since the person they're blaming isn't the one who caused the situation, nor is the character made sympathetic to begin with. And Moral Event Horizon is just crazy since even if their wish was selfish, they rightfully found all the Dragon Balls and had the right to make any wish they wanted, while the good guys tried to steal the wish.
Again, since any further action on my part is edit warring, I leave it to the mods to decide who's right in this.
Edited by Ramona122003open Can we please, please, please stop calling Evangelion a deconstruction? Anime
The concepts of "deconstruction" and "reconstruction" on this site are ludicrously vague to begin with, and Evangelion is one of those series that, while good, also ends up having people project a lot of assumptions on it that aren't necessarily true. And the whole "deconstruction" thing isn't the only bit either, tons of people were really anal retentive about the religious symbology until Anno or whoever just came out and said they were doing it because it was exotic and sounded cool.
A lot of the concepts in Evangelion that people seem to think are revolutionary and "deconstructive" were already thoroughly explored, warts and all, in the genre's infancy in the same way that people find so amazing in Evangelion itself. Astro Boy, Great Mazinger, Zambot 3, Ideon... Hell, even Combattler V which wasn't that much to write home about still could've been argued to "deconstruct" the combining mecha subgenre it set up in its first episode when the leads weren't able to actually combine and work together as a team because they had only just met and hadn't bonded in the slightest. I think the real cause for this is simply Evangelion was one of the highest-profile mecha series of the 90s and one of the ones most likely for people to see one way or another. And from it and its dark subject matter, assumptions were made about the old mecha shows of the 70s and 80s and somewhere along the line, bam. Deconstruction label got slapped on it and everyone just assumed it was true when, as far as I can tell, there's never been official recognition and confirmation of this idea. Same with people thinking Metal Gear Solid 2 was supposed to be some amazing masterpiece of Post-Modernism.
Granted there is still a mountain of analysis to it especially in the final third when Anno really got into the concept of psychology as he was coming out of his depression. But every time I see a page where something in Evangelion is marked as a deconstruction, or that Gao Gai Gar was meant to rebel against its trends and Gurren Lagann in turn was in turn Gainax recognizing that they got the message, what that's really telling me is someone is making a lot of claims about the genre with a lot of undeserved, unwarranted, and unfounded certainty.
Edited by SteamopenJerkass Woobie Anime
Hello,
There seems to be a disagreement between me and another trope in regard to Jerkass Woobie.
I wrote this entry:
- To an extent, Frieza. His life was completely destroyed after his defeat to Goku on Namek, which was Goku's intention when he spared his life. He devotes his life in getting revenge on Goku, which causes him to be killed by Future Trunks on Earth. He then spends almost twenty years in Hell, being tormented by stuff toys and fairies who have parades around him, while he's trapped in a cocoon hanging from a cherry tree in a field full of flowers, with all his great power stripped away. When he's revived by the Earth's Dragon Balls, all he can think about is revenge, abandoning his failing empire, and decides to train for the first time in his life to unleashed all of his latent power. He successes and becomes powerful enough to overwhelm Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku thanks to his golden transformation. However, since he never mastered his ultimate form, his energy burns out before he can kill Goku and he's humiliated by Vegeta who beats him out of his golden form. Even when he seemingly gets the last laugh by blowing up the Earth, Whis rewinds time on him and gives Goku the opportunity to kill him. He's then sent straight back to Hell, where he will remained forever until he's reborn and lose all of his memories of his past life. Despite being an irredeemable monster, you can't help feel a little sorry for him.
A troper erased it with this edit, Frieza brought all of that on himself, no one feels sorry for him in the least.
I put back the entry and explained that I have seen fans hold this opinion about Frieza's fate, despite agreeing that he is a Complete Monster. And since Jerkass Woobie is an YMMV trope, it fits since there are fans that think, 'he's a bastard, but harsh'.
The entry was erased again wit this reason: This may be your opinion but 99% of the fanbase agrees Frieza got what was coming to him and he's long, long past sympathy. He's the most evil character in the entire franchise and his fans like him for how demented, cruel and genocidial he is.
Again, this isn't really my opinion. This is opinions I have seen among the fandom. I admit, I am not sure if someone who falls under Complete Monster can also be a Jerkass Woobie and I don't want to edit war, so I will bring it here.
open Schwarzenmarken: Selfish Love Anime
I feel some of the points made contradicted one another and the fact that selfish love is a very loose term that technically can be interpreted differently. As I felt her love wasn't all that selfish as if you saw your crush falling for someone else I think many people would become selfish. So what is your definition of selfish love and why did you believe she was since I never got the feeling that she wanted to own him.
Edited by F4LIXopenNo Title Anime
Ryo Bakura is kind of misleading since it seems to be a page for Abridged!Yami Bakura.
Edited by SeptimusHeapopenNo Title Anime
Question about a possible name migration. My project this time is Manga.Daily Life With Monster Girl. Usually this is somewhat straightforward, but I'm not sure just what English title to use here. The recently started anime is on Crunchyroll
as Monster Musume Everyday Life With Monster Girls while the English version of the manga is advertised as Monster Musume, with the "Everyday Life" part as more of a subtitle (see here
◊). Though sites like Amazon & Barnes & Noble simply advertise it as Monster Musume.
My question here is which title should I use: Monster Musume by itself, Everyday Life with Monster Girls by itself, or the full title as seen on Crunchyroll?
Edited by sgamer82openNo Title Anime
This time, instead of the barrage of SB 69 themed questions here and on Trope Finder I'm gonna post something else. I found this Mary Sue entry on YMMV.Himouto Umaru Chan:
- Mary Sue: Umaru. She gets whatever she wants one way or another, everyone who disagrees with her is mocked by the story and people who are not completely under her spell are seen as weird by everyone else.
- This can be disputed in a number of ways, though. While Umaru may be overly idealized (All that high fructose corn syrup going into her system and yet she's fit? Not to mention the rumors of her wealthy background, which are being backed up by recent foreshadowing), the universe does not necessarily warp itself to fit her needs all the time, and it's somewhat plausible for her situation to exist, as the comedy is derived from her acting mature outside the home and childish within it or at the arcade. She's intelligent, but she chooses to be immature anyways, in the vein of Calvin. Sometimes her own flaws hold her back from achieving her childish goals, and it is shown several times that Taihei *is* within his own power to put his foot down if he feels like it, as a surrogate parent for Umaru (holding back her pocket money and limiting her purchases, for instance, or not buying the car she wanted to get from a commercial). Furthermore, she does undergo Character Development over the course of the manga, starting to think of others before herself and realizing how much Taihei does for her, which is probably a lot more than Calvin ever experienced in his own strip. As of chapter 116, she's starting to consider abandoning her at-home persona completely. Plus, it's comedy, and Calvin isn't being called an overly idealized character either.
The Wall of Text that is the subbullet seems to reek of Justifying Edit. And I wnat opinion on what to do with this.
openNo Title Anime
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Anime.WhenMarnieWasThere&more=t
Is Bait-and-Switch Lesbians really a non-YMMV trope? it seems too opinionated to be on a main page like this. It was actually the first entry posted on the page itself, before the trope was even made! :\
openNo Title Anime
I've been making it a little project of mine to migrate any Japanese-named manga, anime, or light novel series over to their official English names whenever they exist via places like Amazon, FUNimation, Crunchyroll, Hulu etc. There's one I've wanted to do that with for a while now, but not quite sure how to handle it due to some title overlap.
The series title of Manga.Nanatsu No Taizai translates to, and is marketed in English as, "The Seven Deadly Sins". Manga.The Seven Deadly Sins already exists as a redirect to Nanatsu.
Ordinarily a straightforward issue, but there is also a page titled Theatre.The Seven Deadly Sins. In terms of content, the Theater page has only itself, not even any examples and a blank YMMV page. It's in dire need of crosswicking at the very least.
Now the issue here is if I were to do the migration, do I just move everything, including sub-pages, over to Manga.The Seven Deadly Sins per normal, or should I do something special to make sure that there's as little overlap with the Theater page as possible?
I suppose what I'm asking is which page gets the priority?
Edited by sgamer82openNo Title Anime
I have a certain issue with the Fullmetal Alchemist example on Devil, but No God, it seems to miss the point of the trope, and seems to misunderstand the term "God" just to refer to the stereotypical "Kindly old man" figure that Christianity tends to present, when the term is actually a lot more broad then that, and Truth is acknowledged to be the God of the FMA universe. The example would be better in God and Satan Are Both Jerks.
I'd remove it myself, but I'd like to ask for a second opinion here before doing so.
So, what do you guys think? Should I remove it? Leave as it is? What?
Edited by SaintDeltoraopenNo Title Anime
Before I ask for a revert, I want to make sure, due to this being a US-written wiki, that the previous sentences(which would be reverted to) are correct.
For a quick example;
- Let's see... yeah.
- Let's see...yeah.
- Let's see ... yeah.
Which one of the 3 is correct? I know they aren't full sentences, but the key point is given for the overall grammar in this particular case. The edits that I linked to do nothing but remove the spaces of a tons of paragraphs(making it look like my second subbullet example). I highly doubt that's correct. A teacher I just asked I know said the 3rd example is proper. But she's from the United Kingdom, so the Wiki itself may do it differently.
openNo Title Anime
Not sure where to ask this, so I'm asking this here. I noticed some Conversation On The Main Page on the Arc Fatigue page, regarding Katekyo Hitman Reborn. I sent the editor who put it in a standard message on natter. But I know nothing about that manga, so I have no idea how to fix the example myself. Can anyone else fix it?
openNo Title Anime
gethomas3 is taking it upon himself to reintegrate Anime.Dragon Ball Z to Manga.Dragon Ball, including blanking the main page.
We probably need reverts on a lot of the subpages.
openNo Title Anime
Uhm hi, I know Naughty Tentacles was cut because of reasons, so I figure I should mention this: A lot I see All Anime Is Naughty Tentacles being used as a replacement for the cut Naught Tentacles trope (Like this from Mx0 All Anime Is Naughty Tentacles: Mizuki encounters some in the cave where Lucy is from.)
Who should I report that to: do I need to start a TRS? (I dont know how to do that)
i have no problem with Naughty Tentacles myself, but I figure if you cut it you probably want it to stay cut
openNo Title Anime
So this is an old issue, but there's a Spell My Name With An S disagreement on ∀ Gundam with Loran/Rolan here
. Currently the pages have been edited twice to change Loran to Rolan.
On the one hand, 90% of the time I've seen it, it's Loran, and in the one official localization of anything Turn A (thank you, Development Hell...) his name is Loran. On the other, Sinxxx points out a Retconned translation of Ple/Purus in said official source, but since that source is currently the only English translation, I'm inclined to say that we should stick with Loran. (ETA: According to the character trope page, the official site and artbooks went with Rolan, but I'm pretty sure those are in Japanese, not English.)
Personally I prefer Loran, but I know the Gundam Wiki uses Rolan. There's also an instance of the name being written Rolan in the anime itself, but L/R's have been confused before in Gundam (e.g. Mobile Fighter G Gundam's "Rock On" for "Lock On" in one episode) so I wouldn't call that hard evidence. It would probably be a good idea to settle it rather than have someone switch them all every few months.
Edited by eowynjediopenNo Title Anime
I noticed a duplicate example on the Savage Wolves page:
- In Inu Yasha, one of the youkai him and his group encounter is a giant, manipulated wolf and his normal-sized pack. Later they encounter a village where everyone has been slaughtered by wolves, lead by a humanoid wolf-youkai named Koga. Eventually Koga turns out a Jerk with a Heart of Gold and they (usually) get along fine with him.
A little later in the Anime and Manga folder:
- Inu Yasha: The wolf-youkai tribe was infamous for eating humans and destroying entire human villages in the process. Kouga's tribe destroyed three human villages (including Rin's village, killing everyone there including Rin herself) before Inuyasha's group was able to catch him. After that first encounter Kouga became enamoured enough of Kagome to that he stops his tribe from eating humans and from that point on he became Noble Wolf.
I haven't watched Inu Yasha, so my questions are:
- How to word the example (no reason to have two entries for the same thing)?
- What should be done with such duplicate examples in the future? What is the best place to ask for help if I am not familiar with the work in question?

Hi, I'm requesting assistance with adding a character image to Yan-Min's folder on the Venus Academy page, because her role has become major enough to warrant it. The image I'd suggest is this one.
I figured I'd ask here, since I'm unable to do it myself. Any help would be appreciated.
Edited by MiinU