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open Is this Narm?
From YMMV.Blaz Blue Cross Tag Battle.
- Much like Jump Force, the very idea of these franchises crossing fates can be this in some circles of the internet. Due to the massive power gap between BlazBlue and the other three series, many find the idea that any of these characters realistically taking on the BlazBlue protagonists and antagonists to be laughable. This video
sums it up pretty nicely. There pretty much seems to be an agreement that the other franchises would get decimated if this were realistically played out.
Don't think it's being unintentionally funny by accident.
Edited by WhirlRXopenValid or no? ''Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom'' Spoilers. Film
I added to the YMMV page for Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom regarding Narm, only for troper TantaMonty
to remove them.
- The scene where Mills tells the heroes that Maisie is actually a clone comes right out of no where, with Mills having little reason to tell them. The sheer jarring way it is revealed is much funnier than it should be, since it was clearly meant to be a Shocking Swerve, but didn't quite land the mark.
- The film graces us with perhaps the silliest death in the entire series: Mills killing Lockwood by suffocating him with a pillow. The hilarity of such a thing in a movie filled with killer Dinosaurs is much funnier than the film probably realized.
Their reason as: The mere fact Lockwood was killed by something that was not a dinosaur is not funny at all, as he was just a feeble old man murdered by one of the most despicable characters in the movie. Also, Eli did have a reason to reveal Maisie's origins, in his own twisted mind he thought that Owen and Claire would stop caring for the young girl if they find out she was the result of unethical genetic practices..
Are these valid examples? The first one is valid if you ask me since how the scene is framed just has the reveal happen as if telling the audience, and the reason they removed it is just using headcanon for why since there isn't a reason for it. Plus, unless the trope is a misuse, opinions are still valid as far as I am aware.
Plus it seems like the troper might be semi policing the movies pages, which can be a problem going forward. Also I should add I don't mind if these are seen as bad examples, just wanted to make sure.
Edited by keyblade333openEdit/Removal of Somewhat Transphobic Example on YMMV/Billions Live Action TV
Wasn't sure how to best phrase this inquiry. So, I saw on Billions, Troll Brutal re-added an example of Narm they had written, and which was removed by Tropers/thatfruitcake.
This is the example:
- The constant use of "they" and "them" without failure to refer to Taylor Mason -lest they want to put someone under the Politically Incorrect Villain light- sounds forced and rehearsed. In real life, it would be extremely difficult not to slip an occasional "she" without intended malice.
And this is Troll Brutal's edit reason:
Unexplained removal from what appears to be an agenda-based new account. which warrants a prudent restoration on principle. Even in this wiki we have neutral editors using "she" and corrections every one and then, but when John Malkovich uses it, we have the creators on record saying that reflects on his villainy. There's honest mistake, and then there's heavy handeness. Reasons and discussions are needed around here to contest.
So, my two cents at least is that while I can see the need to discuss something before removing/ discuss along with removing, the example and edit reason are really iffy. Because while I can acknowledge that it's very plausible that someone could misgender someone innocently and without malice, I don't think it's particularly narmy if at all that everyone would be shown using correct/desired pronouns, or that a malicious character deliberately wouldn't. And the fact that it was a deliberate writer choice doesn't make it heavy handed.
Full disclosure, I had a similar critique about a book River of Teeth in terms of how everyone, even the villain, correctly used "they" and "them" to refer to one character, but that was because the book is set in the 1800's in a "Wild West" setting. However, I don't think there's anything particularly surprising or "politically correct" that in a modern office setting everyone would use correct pronouns.
Thoughts?
openNarm misuse?
From YMMV.My Little Pony The Movie 2017:
- Like You Would Really Do It: When Twilight Sparkle gets sucked into the tornado in the final act, everyone mostly saw the Disney Death coming a good lightyears away and in turn, really took the drama out of the scene. Of course, this ended up being the case. But for some, it didn't make the subsequent mourning by the ponies any less sad or effective.
- Narm: Try as they might to sell it, no one was buying Twilight Sparkle's demise via the Storm King's tornado in the final act. To nobody's surprise, she wasn't dead after all, really sucking out whatever legitimacy that was in the scene for some.
- Narm Charm: Twilight's Disney Death in the final act was extremely predictable, but the music and the ponies mourning her potential demise afterwards still resonated, due to just how effective it was.
Is the Narm example valid since Narm is about a scene generating the wrong emotion as opposed to this which is covered under Like You Would Really Do It and there's arguing if it's this or Narm Charm (my impression is that it was as well done as possible knowing she'd make it)?
openEdit warring on ymmv page of JaneTheVirgin Live Action TV
Troper Sabat has been Edit Waring on the ymmv page of Jane the Virgin. They added these two entries several times despite being removed by two other people on the grounds of having racist leanings as well as coming off as biased.
Here are the entries in question: Anvilicious: This show has addressed the subject of illegal immigration in a one-sided manner, but it is especially obvious in Chapter 61, which dedicates another Alba subplot to the issue, finally culminating in Mateo asking "why some people don't want peace" in America.
- Strawman Has a Point: While the snooty white woman in Chapter 61 who informed a Spanish-speaking guest that "This is America. You should learn to speak English," was rude, many people would agree that if you live somewhere, you should know how to speak their language. Alba later reciting the Preamble of the Constitution as a retort comes across very Narm, as well.
As well as the Edit history
open YMMV equivelent of Dude Not Funny
Since Dude Not Funny was changed to In Universe Examples Only due to most of the examples listed on the trope page being in universe, I want to know what trope would work to replace Dude Not Funny for YMMV. What trope should be listed when referring to a scene in a movie or something that is supposed to be funny that the real life audience gets offended by? Do you list an inversion of Narm or what? There better be one, how else are we supposed to complain about offensive scenes like that?
Edited by bobgopenNarm for a Creator
There's a Dakari King Mykan page that's a narm page for a creator, including IRL stuff he says.
I don't think that's allowed. (The pages for his works are fairly bashy as well.)
Edited by lalalei2001openPossible Edit War?
Earlier today, I removed this Narm example from YMMV.Steven Universe, citing that I hadn't seen anyone say that it came off as goofy or that it took away from the scene:
- In "Jungle Moon" AJ Michalka's oddly restrained delivery of Pink Diamond's tantrum shows that Bratty Half-Pint really isn't in her acting comfort zone.
- Pink's tantrum in "Jungle Moon" sounds a lot like the start of a diss rap.
openCan I move all the Trope/VideoGame pages to Trope/VideoGames?
Can I move all the Trope.Video Game pages to Trope.Video Games?
'Cause the it seems Trope.Video Games is the canonical subpage style?
The ones that hold trope examples instead of redirects are: First-Name Basis, Most Wonderful Sound, and The Unfought.
... Is VideoGame.Video Game or Main.Video Game needed, when the other exists?
Also, can I cut Memes.Video Game, since it redirects to Memes.Video Games? Or is its 233 inbounds too many, to not keep, compared to the latter's 15,939?
Same request for Narm, but 223 to 5,963 inbounds.
Edited by MaladyopenMass deletions on Narm/GameOfThrones
The troper https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=ArgonianLorekeeper
is deleting en masse multiple entries on the Narm page for Game of Thrones. He keeps citing ZCE as an excuse when some of the entries are an entire paragraph.
I sent him a deleting ymmv warning via PM but he is continuing.
Can someone send him a message and restore what he had deleted?
openEdit War Film
Looks like the beginnings of an edit war are going on
Man of Steel. Absolute Sword
added an example under Narm, Master Hero
deleted the example, Absolute Sword has re-added it.
openNarm Videogame
The Narm page claims it's allowed on YMMV pages but when I check out the Metal Gear page it claims it's Flame Bait and should be kept off the work pages. Why is this?
openEdit War over a Narm entry over YMMV.UraraMeirocho Anime
Little Buster added back an entry for Narm at YMMV.Urara Meirocho that he added in the first place with no reason after being removed by someguysomeguy.
openThe page for the funny moments in the Funny/TheRoom should be changed to Narm Film
The Room is trying to be a drama so most of the humor is unintentional. I think changing it to Narm: The Room might be more better.
opendeusexadamjensen 121 Film
As far as I'm aware Funny Moments pages are allowed to contain both intentional and unintentional moments to be added, but on the page for Alien: Covenant deusexadamjensen 121
had been deleted examples of the latter and insulting the people who added them both in their edit reasons and on the discussion page
.
openNightshade 96
Nightshade 96
has been on a mass page-spitting/index-creating spree as pointed out in this previous query
. Said troper was contacted and informed that they should probably get some kind of consensus before making such large page changes.
Despite this they appear to still be continuing with what they are doing, despite the numerous problems they are creating:
For example sometimes they're creating pages with so few examples, it can be hard to see why they were moved in the first place, such as MythologyGag.Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol 2 (as noted here
) which had only 7 examples when it was created (on a related note on the page they were moved from another troper
has undone the removal and restored the examples
— despite the sub-page still existing, and then more recently Nightshade has deleted the examples again).
They also aren't checking to make sure that all the examples from the main trope page are being moved to the sub-pages and not just the examples from the work pages. For example they created AdaptationExplanationExtrication.Harry Potter by taking examples
from Film.Harry Potter, later another troper
deleted all the Harry Potter examples
from Adaptational Explanation Extrication because there was now already a separate page. The problem was there were more examples on the main page, than there were on the newly created sub-page, so if I hadn't thought to go to the history page and copy the examples over they would probably been ignored and then lost.
Nightshade also doesn't appear to be correcting any errors that might be in the examples, e.g. several pages contain a lot of Example Indentation, Natter and Word Cruft which was carried over from when the examples were part of a work page, and in the case of Narm.Spiderman 3 Nightshade has actually added Example Indentation. Nightshade also isn't removing any see example or see X'snote which is discouraged on the wiki as trope example should be able to stand on their own and not require looking at a completely different trope for context, and doesn't make any more since it's referring to something on a page it's no longer a part of bits when they transferred to their own pages (such as the "See Freeze-Frame Bonus" on MythologyGag.Superman The Animated Series).
They also aren't checking to see whether the examples themselves are being used correctly before being moved. To give an illustration they created an Expy sub-page for The Heroes of Olympus, which then has to be cut as it was determined in the Expy Clean-Up Thread that none of the examples were being used correctly
. This is especially problematic considering several of the sub-pages they've created have been for tropes like Broken Base and Narm which are infamous for the amount of misuse they attract on this wiki (at least two Broken Base pages Nightshades created have even been contested by the clean-up thread as both movies they are for have yet to be released
.
open Excessive realism of teenage life makes adult viewers feel uncomfortable. Anime
If teenage experiences in anime are so innocent and realistic that a viewer over 25 years old will simply feel uncomfortable because of the feeling that he is watching the living innocent children, that is it closer to Narm or Squick?

It took me a while to notice, but there appears to be some inconsistency with what applies for any of the That One tropes for certain games. For example, back when Fire Emblem Warriors came out, Gunarm Dyne stated that nothing besides the story mode could be any of the That One tropes. This was despite the fact that the bulk of the games content is in the History Mode, which while "extra content", is still a part of the game and was clearly designed to be where most of the game is played. Meanwhile, the Hyrule Warriors pages have several That One Level entrees for its equivalent of the History mode, and its DLC or Legends port.
If we look outside of this as well, games such as the Dark Souls series have many of the extra/dlc locations/bosses as That One examples. While yes the Souls games are not the same gameplay genre as a Warriors game, they still should be held to the same standards since Brutal Bonus Level would imply that the level is extra, outside of the games main content, which if anything, the History mode for FE Warriors is where most of the games content is.
I've also not, as far as I know, seen Brutal Bonus Level being used on any of the mentioned pages. I'd like if some agreement could be made since it seems silly that FE Warriors is the only page I've seen so far that this was made a big deal about, though I could be wrong.
Edited by keyblade333