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openVideo Examples
Hey there, I thought of some ideas for good video examples, but I might need help with trying to upload just that specific scene and not the whole work.
Work: My Little Pony: The Movie (2017) Example of: Wham Line
Work: The Phantom Menace Example of: Impaled with Extreme Prejudice
Work: "Lesson Zero" Example of: Nightmare Face
Work: "Heroes and Monsters" Example of: An Arm and a Leg
Work: Return of the Jedi Example of: Shock and Awe
Work: Spaceballs Example of: Luke, I Am Your Father
Work: Attack of the Clones Example of: Big Badass Battle Sequence
Think anyone can either help me or upload these video examples themselves?
openNarm subpages has Flame Bait headers
I may be late in things, but I just noticed that subpages of Narm now has the header seen in Flame Bait page. Has it become categorized as Flame Bait and shouldn't be added in other YMMV pages?
openThe Emoji Movie - Narm Western Animation
After someone removed a lot of shoehorned examples, Narm.The Emoji Movie was left with only two examples. Can we delete the page and move the few valid examples to Narm.Film Number To H and YMMV.The Emoji Movie?
openFridge and Headscratchers from Hellboy: The Golden Army Film
The Headscratchers and the Fridge pages from Hellboy II: The Golden Army are identical, with the only exception that Headscratchers is more clearly-written. Wouldn't it be better to cut one of them (I'd say the Fridge page indeed)?
openOdd page
UsefulNotes.Villain Army was recently made and, well, it doesn't seem to be connected to any work (and the editor may be writing about themselves) or make sense for that matter
the editor also has added examples about it on other pages
openNarm cleanup? Film
Does anyone know if there's there a Narm cleanup thread? I've often seen whiny examples, but Narm.Star Wars really takes the cake (and eats it, and comes back for more).
openLong Term Cleanup Thread for Narm - Discuss
Forgive me if I'm posting this in the wrong place, I'm kind of unclear where to go to suggest this.
In my opinion, Narm could use a dedicated cleanup thread, considering how often it's used for complaining. While some misuse is easy to catch (e.g. saying a joke is Narm when Narm by definition can't be a joke), a lot of examples fall into grey areas that seem like misuse but it's hard to tell. Like nitpicks that at first glance seem to be valid examples, but feel like stretches the more you think about them. Look at the page for, say, Venom (2018).
Thoughts?
Edited by MisterApes-a-lotopen Captain Marvel Edit War
Okay so the title may be an exaggeration but I have been finding some examples for Captain Marvel which I feel would fit. However since I don't want to Edit War I am looking for some second opinions. The examples deleted are as follows:
- Artistic License – Military: Women weren't able to serve as fighter pilots until 1993 so Carol and Maria wouldn't be able to fly around in fighter jets. They would be flying in Tankers. (Reason, The Film said they weren't flying in combat, except we still they were flying combat aircraft and I never mentioned if they were flying in combat or not just bringing they shouldn't be flying jets at all.)
- Bond Villain Stupidity: Yon-Rogg decides to challenge to a fist fight instead of just shooting her for no particular reason. (not mine but was removed with no edit reason given.)
- Narm (on the YMMV page)
- Carol's constant use of her energy as The All-Solving Hammer becomes this after all while. Particularly in the bar where she uses to destroy a Jukebox to "prove" she was not Skrull to someone who she knew heard about them less than a few hours ago.
- Talos drinking from a soda cup when confronting Carol and Fury at the Rambeau's house robs most of the tension from the scene. (both remove they were meant to funny when Narm but the fact remains deliberate or not they make no sense and in the latter the scene continues like the moment didn't happen at all.)
- Vanilla Protagonist: One criticism leveled towards the film is that the titular Captain Marvel comes across as very plain and boring compared to many of the other protagonists in their origin movie. She isn't terrible mind you, but to some she feels very plain and less compelling, which given how she is supposed to become the face of the MCU after the next Avengers film, has left some feeling concerned what direction her character will go. (a puedo-reason was saying she wasn't one in this movie but no elaboration)
openNarm not YMMV? Videogame
On YMMV.Mortal Kombat Special Forces I found a hidden comment that reads this:
I see Narm all the time on YMMV pages, and the trope page for it mentions that it's YMMV material, not Darth Wiki. Am I missing something, or is the person who added this wrong?
Edited by JRads47openWhat to do with Film.Hellboy Film
Film.Hellboy previously covered both Hellboy (2004) and Hellboy II: The Golden Army. I split those into separate articles earlier today, and I was just wondering what I should do with the original page.
Cut List it? Make it a redirect for Film.Hellboy 2004 or Franchise.Hellboy?
Edited by PrimisopenOverly protective of the DCEU. Film
Somewhat preemptive, but Deeed is being way protective of the DCEU and edit-warring to do so.
The worst example so far is on IdiotPlot.Live Action Film, where they pulled an entry without an edit reason. A discussion post was made by someone else asking for an explanation, and then it was restored after I pointed out that it was deleted without explanation (which, you know, is vandalism). They did then participate in the discussion... after re-deleting the movie, and rather than give an explanation, they linked a bunch of youtube links and said "no, it's totally explained." So they are using the discussion... but upon further thought, that might be worse since they're ignoring it.
Also unacceptable:
- Deleting link to a narm subpage
- Again, deleting an entire movie without explanation
. When it was restored, they then neutered an example into what's at best a ZCE, despite being near-universally considered laughable.
Now again, this is preemptive as though he's edit-warring, he's at least checking discussion pages and responding, even though his responses are unsatisfactory.
Edited by LarkmarnopenSpider-Man stuff
Revolutionary_Jack has been adding a lot of entries to Spider-Man YMMV pages that don't have a general fandom consensus to be on the YMMV page, such as Steve Ditko's Gwen Stacy being a Love to Hate character and modern readers preferring her to any other version of Gwen. Entries that are legit are very long-winded and nattery, and they also deleted a Spider-Man 3 Vindicated by History example due to the film "not being a classic" even though its reputation has improved post-ASM 2 and the Editor's Cut salvaging a lot of the movie. The following examples are just from the Spider-Man 3 YMMV page but similar examples can be found on other Spider-Man pages, including main, subpage, and trivia pages.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=Revolutionary_Jack
"* Misaimed Fandom:
- The symbiote influenced Peter is supposed to be Peter Slowly Sliding Into Evil and the narm and lameness of "Emo Peter" is definitely an Intended Audience Reaction. But given that many audiences had grown fatigued over Raimi's portrayal of Peter as a serious Extreme Doormat Hurting Hero in the previous films (even if Maguire himself was praised for his performance and screen presence), the fact that the one time we see Peter acting somewhat closer to his more rounded comics' portrayal such as him talking back to his landlord and giving Harry Osborn a piece of his mind, it's shown as a case of a Symbiote turning him evil, makes many fans express frustration about Raimi's misreading of the character as a suffering superhero monk.
- Many fans especially feel this way about Peter negotiating a higher salary from Jameson. In the comics this happened at the end of the Master Planner arc (considered among the all-time greatest stories in Spider-Man mythos), and it was portrayed as a Hell Yes moment. The movie makes it seem like this is his Start of Darkness even if what Peter is doing, calling out Eddie Brock for his unethical work and fighting against Jameson's exploitation, is entirely legitimate."
"* They Changed It, Now It Sucks!:
- A big sticking point for some fans, even if the character on the whole was praised, was the Retcon that made Sandman into Uncle Ben's killer. It's not the first time a superhero film did this (Tim Burton's Batman did the same to Joker, and it was criticized even then by many reviewersnote It was an element that DC Comics, normally receptive to introducing elements from adaptations, absolutely refused to incorporate into the character since it drastically undermined the appeal of the Batman-Joker rivalry) but many audiences felt it drastically undercut and ruined Peter's origin from Spider-Man 1 (since if the burglar Peter specifically didn't let escape kill Uncle Ben, and it was his getaway partner who did it in panic, then that means that Peter isn't actually responsible for his Uncle's death and his entire guilt was misplaced, which ruins the crucial theme from his story). Many also saw it as an inability for Raimi and Sony to create a nemesis who wasn't a free agent unconnected to Peter's story and life simply so that they could rehash simple beats. A tendency at Sony Pictures which continued in The Amazing Spider-Man Series and which the hacked Sony emails had one of Marvel's own executives call them out on.
- As a number of fans note, the Symbiote was never Spider-Man's Superpowered Evil Side nor did it turn him into evil, and definitely ''not'' emo. The original Symbiote was a sentient suit that liked Spider-Man and became a case of a Stalker with a Crush. It ended up taking Peter out as Spider-Man while in his sleep, and Peter worried about gaps and lack of control parted ways with it, which made the Symbiote a crazy jealous ex, who saw new host Eddie Brock as "sloppy seconds". The change in dynamics to a more simplistic Jekyll and Hyde story annoyed many for cheapening a great concept, as well as creating frustrating drama since Peter acts like a jerk to his loved ones but since it's not really his fault, all his actions can be blamed on Gollum Made Me Do It (which as many note was a beat that applied to the villain of Spider-Man 1 and something which Peter didn't entirely accept there)."
Berserk Button: misusing Nightmare Fuel
openVandal report
89pizzaparty vandalized YMMV.Mortal Kombat 11 twice so far. First by adding "Don't act like that shit wasn't fire. Plus the trailer for MKX had Wiz Khalifa." to the Narm entry (the entry as a whole was deleted due to being misuse), then by changing the last sentence of Memetic Mutation to "Unfortunately, none of the mixes have matched the original trailer nor have they made anyone laugh."
Edited by ZuxtronopenComplaining Edit Reasons
Bismuth83
seems to have a Single-Issue Wonk regarding an anime and Netflix's treatment of it as seen here
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openNarm---Ducktales 2017 Western Animation
I've been running into a problem with multiple misuses of narm. However I wanted to double check just in case I'm the one who is misunderstanding the trope. Narm is only applicable when a scene or moment is unintentionally funny or cheesy right? It's all about what the creator intended. If they wanted a funny thing to happen during a serious scene it can be considered mood wiplash or even big lipped alligator moment but not narm. And people getting over their sadness in less than three minutes is angst what angst or mood wiplash not narm, right?
open(Minor) Edit War - Captain Marvel (2019) Narm Film
This entry keeps getting taken out, then put back in by ajbit26 (Let me know if I'm not supposed to name them):
- Brie Larson's complete lack of a facial expression in much of the trailer has led to some rather unflattering comparisons to Bella Swan.
It's a misuse of narm, I'm pretty sure. And it's just unnecessary complaining. Thoughts?
openEdit War in YMMV/StevenUniverse
Back in July, The Lucky Cat added this to the Narm section of Steven Universe:
- Lapis Lazuli is the only person unaffected by Blue Diamond's Emotion Bomb and gives what's obviously meant to be a Badass Boast, but she looks so finicky smug and her attacks prove to do nothing more than annoy Blue Diamond, it just comes off as trying way to hard.
This is literally no one else's opinion. Everyone in the fandom thinks this scene was amazing, especially Lapis' delivery. As such, Emerald 141 removed the example.
A few hours ago, The Lucky Cat added a somewhat edited version of the entry back to the page:
- Lapis Lazuli's attempted Badass Boast in "Reunited" just comes off as kind of melodramatic and silly, especially with her smirking face.
- Lapis: I've had worse.
Also, and this probably isn't the point right now, but she wasn't smirking.
openYMMV Octopath Traveler edits Videogame
Over on YMMV.Octopath Traveler Knack is deleting stuff like Fan-Preferred Couple, Narm, Ho Yay, and They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot, with edit reasons boiling down to "It doesn't make sense to be bothered by something for how it was intended", but I'm unsure if it's enough to warrant deletion as I have seen several people on multiple forums and discussion boards talking about the content in entries that were deleted, with many people talking about how they wished there was more character interaction during stories and/or the characters piecing together what they experienced throughout the story.
Another editor had put the deleted stuff back, saying "YMMV is based on opinions and, at least according to the pictures posted on Tumblr, these opinions seem to be widespread enough to be mentioned on this page. The fact that the game doesn't acknowledge the presence of the other travelers even in events in which they should be (Primrose is wounded, Therion is infiltrating a place) is a valid point and far from inaccurate." only for them to be deleted again.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=YMMV.OctopathTraveler

The YMMV page for Watchmen here
is suffering from a lot of disagreeing Tropers. I don't watch the show, but it apparently tackles the subject of racism and specifically focuses on the Tulsa Race Riots. Unsurprisingly, tropers are split about how well the topics are handled. S
Daedalus Ex added a Narm entry for the quote "I'e got a nose for racism, and it smells like bleach." Titan Fire Flies added an entry for Don't Shoot the Message. Annoyed Owl added this entry:
All of these were deleted by Hello 9876. Titan Fire Flies re-added them with the reason "If these are actual reactions people have had to the show, then they have every right to be on the YMMV page."
friscokid182 deleted the entry for Misaimed Fandom with the edit reason "In addition to being unnecessarily Flame Bait, this entry is a misapplication of Misaimed Fandom. 1) Misaimed Fandom is for instances when audiences enjoy a work (or character) for reasons that the creators didn't intend, not for instances where fans express their love of a work through problematic statements. 2) It's a bit of an overgeneralization to say that all (or even most) positive reviews of this show praise it for making white people look bad; it would be more accurate to say that they praise it for starkly showing the harsh realities of institutionalized racism and racial violence, which is largely perpetrated by white people." They also deleted the Don't Shoot the Message entry with the reason "Mild Artistic License doesn't make the show's anti-racist message less convincing. Even if the show's depiction of the Tulsa Race Riot slightly exaggerates what really happened, the real riot still killed hundreds of people and completely destroyed one of the largest African-American communities in the United States; it's been called the "the single worst incident of racial violence in American history" for a reason. The show captures the truth of what happened pretty well, even if the '''facts aren't identical."
Hello 9876 again deleted the Narm entry. Daedalus Ex re-added Misaimed Fandom with the reason "Perhaps saying "most" is inaccurate, but to simply delete this because of a one word discrepancy when it is still very much relevant is not the proper reaction." They also added an entry for Critical Dissonance, which Hello 9876 deleted because the ratings were caused by review bombings—Hello 9876 then deleted Misaimed Fandom again with the reason "No one is saying this."
So basically the entire page is caught up in one giant edit war and I'm wondering if mods can do anything about this?
Edited by iamconstantine