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openEdit War Live Action TV
2 days ago RiceRomp
added Audience-Alienating Premise to YMMV.Ratched.
Yesterday Golden City Bird
removed the example citing in his edit reason that works that haven't been released yet can't qualify for "Audience Alienating Premise".
RiceRomp has since then re-added the example.
Also they've added a couple of Narm examples, that were confirmed to be
Zero-Context Examples, so I commented them-out, but they have uncommented them.
open Is this misuse?
These are currently under the Narm entry in the YMMV
page for Hamilton.
- Although "It's Quiet Uptown" is a Tear Jerker of a song, when watched live, Hamilton constantly being on the verge of tears can come across as exaggerated and cheesy, especially contrasting Eliza's much more subdued sadness.
- Before the fateful duel between Burr and Hamilton, one of Burr's justifications for fearing for his life was Hamilton was wearing his glasses. While there's In-Universe reasoning (Burr says that the glasses scare him because he believes they mean that Hamilton intends to "take deadly aim"), it winds up being rather unintentionally funny since the primary stereotypes surrounding glasses are not indicating "deadly intent" and the idea of fearing for your life because your enemy is wearing glasses is pretty laughable.
- Also in "The World Was Wide Enough", there's Burr's line of "This man will not make an orphan of my daughter!". In context, he's worried that he'll die and Theodosia will suffer from it. With the knowledge that Theodosia was 22 when the duel between Burr and Hamilton happened, it makes Burr look like an Overprotective Dad or simply making up excuses to shoot Hamilton.
Just...I don't know, some parts seem to really be stretching for it, and I've yet to see anyone in the "audience" share these sentiments.
openRejected Trope Titles
Any chance I’m the first person to suggest a humorous Darth Wiki page full of rejected titles for real tropes?
e.g. Skywalker Syndrome.
openAre these bad examples/pages?
So, was doing a bit of editing on Danganronpa: The Wolf's Game because no index, a couple zces, it needs a custom name to include an apostrophe, the usual 'this page is a mess.'
I came across these two pages which I feel like should be cut/cleaned because they have examples that are poor although I don't know if they qualify for cut listing or if I'm too strict.
Awesome.Danganronpa The Wolfs Game has one example. The image is a spoiler image which I don't remember if it's allowed or not. The sole example is worded... badly. I don't know exactly how to describe it but I know it's not worded well.
YMMV.Danganronpa The Wolfs Game has three examples:
Complete Monster, which while I'd say it's right I thought you had to get that approved by a forum thread.
Fan Disservice is... ig was right at the time but it's inaccurate now since the corpse it's referring to was faking her own death although that could be fixed.
Narm Charm which I just flat out think is wrong; I don't think I've heard anyone in this fandom hold this opinion. But i also know it's not my place personally to say 'that's objectively wrong' on a ymmv page.
openVideo showing odd thumbnail
I recently uploaded a video to the site, but for some reason it showed a thumbnail of color bars (which did not appear at all in the video I uploaded). Is there any way to fix this? (The video I uploaded was Jax's Arm Rip Fatality from Mortal Kombat 2 for the trope An Arm and a Leg. It can be found here
.)
openBashing Troper
I just want to go ahead and say I don't watch Supergirl so I have no two cents in this one way or the other.
So on Supergirl, there's a character named William who apparently is not liked at all by the fanbase. I suppose that in and of itself is fine to put on YMMV pages since it's a notable Audience Reaction, but there seems to be a problem with bashing rather than just stating. Specifically, Starbrand 1987 has made many, many edits just talking about how much fans hate William. (They also have several grammar problems like no punctuation and no capitalization, but that's beside the point.)
Here
Starbrand adds And The Fandom Rejoiced about William possibly dying. Here
they put in an entry saying that William flirting with Kara after she turned him down on an episode that aired on International Woman's Day...is Narm.
Most of it is here
on the YMMV page. Starbrand puts a large edition to an entry talking about how poorly-received William is, an entry about how his actor and Kara's actress have no chemistry, adding William and Kara's romance under Audience-Alienating Premise ("Not one regular supergirl media reviewer approves of the relationship."), basically accusing the writers under Trolling Creators, and several subbullets under The Scrappy that got deleted.
Forenperser has deleted some entries, but with the reasons "Stop this silly obsession already." and "Natter, poorly written and just plain obsession," I'm afraid this is going to get hostile soon. They were reported to ATT before
, but it seems they're still at it.
openNarm
So Narm is in the normal YMMV index and the banner on the top reflects that. What I don't understand is why the subpages, such as Advertising, have the Flame Bait banner. Anyone know what's going on?
openFranchiseOriginalSin.StarWars Film
I want to start this by saying that locking or cutting a page should be used for worst-case-scenario pages only.
I've been trying to fix up FranchiseOriginalSin.Star Wars, and I've found that the page has many, many issues regarding the examples listed. It, of course, suffers from Complaining About Shows You Don't Like, as most Star Wars Audience Reaction pages end up like. Now, this in itself is a pretty fixable situation, because it's very similar to Narm.Star Wars, which we successfully cleaned out. Yes, it took months, but it was a satisfying conclusion.
But the Narm page was different, because that had 1-3 sentence examples that resulted in a simple cleanup objective of "remove misuse". It was very simple to fix the page. But with this page? No, my objective was to shorten the examples instead of cutting them. But the more I go into the page, the more I realize that nearly every example is a violation of Complaining About Shows You Don't Like, and it's frustrating. Just like Example Indentation or Zero-Context Examples, complaining is a fair reason to remove a bad example.
So here's the "Ask" part: What should be done with the page? If it's undeniably hard to fix, and just about every example is a heavy violation of policy, what can be done to help? I was thinking of maybe locking it, but it sounds too obstructive. Cutting is also an option if the cleanup proves unmanageable, but it's barely on the table.
So, what does the rest of the wiki think about the page?
openToo Soon Crossovers
Would certain types of crossovers potentially qualify as Too Soon depending on the two franchises crossing over? (i.e. One crossover that I've had in my head for ages (and still have) is the Pre-Volume 3 versions of Ruby Rose, Weiss Schnee, Blake Belladonna, and Yang Xiao Long from RWBY appearing in the universe of the 2D Mortal Kombat games. However, due to the Darker and Edgier turn that the web series had from Volume 3 onward (even including one of the four girls getting dismembered and another being Impaled with Extreme Prejudice) I have a feeling some fans might have this reaction to the four main characters ending up in a universe where fighters slaughter each other in gruesome ways. Not to mention the Fridge Horror that may ensue with those four being children at the ages of 15-17.
openRemove from Bad Writing
I intend to remove this from the Bad Writing Index:
- Dull Surprise: Have your characters emote during events that would make a real person do so. Otherwise, it can make scenes that are intended to be dramatic hard to take seriously.
This can be used intentionally to show someone as stoic or unemotional. Any unintentional examples are due to poor art or acting, not writing. All Literature examples are constructive uses arguing it's impossible for it to be bad due to writing alone.
There was discussion here
about cutting game design trope from the index as they're not writing per-say, but stalled out. Should I wait until we have a consensus on that or go ahead and cut Dull Surprise as there are many examples of it being used to desirable effect?
openArguing-against-self Narm entries?
I've noticed on entries for Narm across the wiki (I may even be guilty of it myself, not sure) that they occasionally include lines of explanation. For example, "It's hard to take (insert scene here) seriously when Alice's face is so goofy-looking. Though considering she was just drugged, this might explain why."
Would this be considered arguing against a listed trope? I usually see them added by the original editor, and it seems to have less to do with arguing that "Alice's face" is unintentionally funny and more about it being Justified.
Edited by iamconstantineopenProblematic editor.
Sabbat
has... an issue. He doesn't edit much, but when he does... yeah.
- He deleted an example
of Some Anvils Need to Be Dropped because he thought it was racist... and goes on to elaborate on the discussion page
that saying "white male privilege" is racist, while seemingly unironically claiming that not supporting misogyny and racism is the real racist behavior. Incidentally, the entry was bad, but he's clearly Right for the Wrong Reasons here.
- Also, regarding the same character, he blatantly and explicitly defends his misogynistic behavior in the show's thread
.
- Also, regarding the same character, he blatantly and explicitly defends his misogynistic behavior in the show's thread
- From the same page, misusing narm to stan for an In-Universe low-key racist.
- Adding natter
that downplays homophobia.
- I can't glean the agenda behind this edit because it's so devoid of context
, but it comes across as complaining about a non-straight character.
- Deleting an indirect reference to the Black Lives Matter movement
... and in the process ruining an example of Harsher in Hindsight because it's no longer hindsight.
- Deleting an example for being needlessly inflammatory
... that just happens to point out that violence against black people gets covered up.
He was suspended once
for edit warring over something that "just happened" to "sound" racist.
Almost none of his (post-first ban) actions are bad enough on their own to really warrant me to do anything, but taken as a whole they're worrisome. I don't know (or even necessarily think) that this is actionable on your part (he is, after all, at least participating in the Discussion for better or for worse) but I wanted to flag it for mods.
... also he tends to make entries just bad (Breaking Example Indentation, lacking context, misusing tropes) for the sake of his "agenda")
Edited by LarkmarnopenWhy Locked Star Wars Character Sheets?
Does anyone know why the Star Wars – Resistance Heroes page is locked? Finally got around to seeing The Rise of Skywalker, and I just wanted to add to D-0's character description.
I don't see it listed under Locked Pages. There's a thread for cleaning up the more subjective Star Wars pages, like Narm and What An Idiot, but the character sheets should be relatively safe, I hope? I'm not seeing an Edit War in the history or anything, and the last Discussion comment was back in 2018.
Anybody know what the deal is?
openSnarky Example Undermining Natter in the Transformers Tearjerker Page
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/TearJerker/TheTransformers
- Poor Skyfire. Granted, G1's writing means there is quite a bit of Narm involved, but even so his story is heartwrenching. He was perfectly happy exploring the universe with his best friend... and then he crashed on Earth, spent the following nine million years frozen in the North Pole, was found purely by chance and had about five minutes of happiness at meeting his old friend Starscream again, then found out he was in the middle of a war, was immediately put to work by the Decepticons, realized he was working for the bad guys, got shot by his ex best friend when he refused to kill prisoners, and went down in a Heroic Sacrifice as soon as the good guys fixed him. All of this in a single episode. Poor guy needs a hug.
"We shall remember."
- ...and then he was resurrected 3 episodes later. *Cough*
- Though I suppose you could call that last bit a happy tearjerker?
- Hey, they had Skyf... uhhh... Jetfire toys to sell...
- "The Golden Lagoon". Beachcomber has found a beautiful, Edenic little glade full of wild animals, untouched by the hand of man—and it contains Electrum, a dangerous substance he knows the two sides will fight over if they find out about it. He spends the whole episode trying to prevent it, but the inevitable firefight happens, and both the glade and the Electrum are destroyed. The Autobots cheer because the Decepticons didn't get the stuff. The episode ends with Beachcomber sitting in the blackened crater of the glade, all the plants and animals dead, and mutters, "We won."
- As the standard "happy ending" music continues playing. Not even the soundtrack cared.
I think these tropers (Ha) think they are on Transformers wiki where this is kosher.
openFed up with negativity Film
The Narm.Star Wars, IdiotPlot.Star Wars, and WhatAnIdiot.Star Wars are filled with negativity. That's old news. The problem is that every time someone tries to clean them up, people always add the complaints right back.
I'm making this querry to gather opinions on whether I should ask for a lock on these three pages in order to clean them up. Knowing the SW fanbase, the lock will most likely have to be permanent.
Could I get hear people's thoughts on this motion?
openDragon Quest V Complaning and Misuse of Woolseyism Videogame
Woolseyism: Almost everything has been renamed in the English localization. If you don't dig the Punny Names and the Narm Charm of the localization, this game will be a Macekre for you. Especially if you've already played the much more faithful fan translation of the original SNES game.
I dont know if the Complaining is kosher or not but this is most definitely a misuse of Woolseyism.

There's a troper called Steam_Lord who added shoehorned Narm examples to YMMV.Bill Nye Saves The World, even though they were already cut. I consulted the narm cleanup thread
, and we decided we should ping them so we can resolve the issue. They don't have a Tropers page, though.
Edited by ccorb