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openplz delet
I found Sword Art Online was put on the Cut List by therealryan, and their reason concerns me:
"PLEASE DELETE THIS. NOW. UNLESS YOU TELL ME ALL THIS SERIES’S FLAWS IN 1 SENTENCE LIKE I’M 5 BECAUSE I DON’T WATCH IT."
Was there ever any actual consensus to cut the page, or is this just someone acting stupid?
openNew image for Kid with the Golden Arm Film
So I've been doing alot of work for The Kid with the Golden Arm, and I noticed that the image is basically just that of Hai Tao fighting Golden Arm.
I propose replacing that page image, with this one shown on the left side of the page:
https://cityonfire.com/kid-with-the-golden-arm-1979/
I already have a PNG version of this ready to go; I just need to know where to go to find a consensus to be able to do this replacement.
Edited by Stardust5099openInky100 is still showing problems with Trolls
Inky 100, who has been brought up here three
times
before
, continues to show a constant issue of excessively Entry Pimping the Trolls franchise. Here's some various problematic pages:
- Analysis.Trolls: Blank page.
- DarthWiki.Trolls and SugarWiki.Trolls: Both used to list YMMV items in the respective namespaces; the Sugar Wiki stuff can just go on the main YMMV page.
- DrinkingGame.Trolls: Too short, and has some odd stuff such as "Whenever you get a Squick, Narm or Tastes Like Diabetes feeling". The same applies to the other Trolls Drinking Game subpages listed on the bottom.
- FanficRecs.Trolls: Blank.
- FanWorks.Trolls: Only a single work listed, which is far too little for a Fan Works subpage.
- GravityIsAHarshMistress.Trolls: This page singles out every example of the trope, which seems excessive.
- Haiku.Trolls: Another blank page.
- LogoJoke.Trolls: Too short to have a separate subpage.
- Memes.Trolls: Again, too short.
- Pantheon.Trolls: I very highly doubt that this page was actually approved, especially since it's a stub.
- Quotes.Trolls and Quotes.Trolls World Tour: Are Quotes subpage supposed to have spoiler tags?
- Radar.Trolls: Another overly-short subpage that seems like 100% misuse under GCPTR's new restrictions.
- ShoutOut.Trolls: Again, seems too short to deserve a separate subpage. Same applies to ShoutOut.Trolls Trollstopia, but ShoutOut.Trolls The Beat Goes On doesn't seem too bad.
- Timeline.Trolls: I am not a Trolls fan and have never seen any of the works in the franchise, but I doubt the timeline is complicated enough that it needs a separate subpage.
- WhatCouldHaveBeen.Trolls World Tour: Not too short, but I think its contents can still just go on WhatCouldHaveBeen.Trolls.
openTrolls subpages
reposting here from a Trope Talk thread to see if i can get some more succinct answers about this.
i think trolls might be suffering from a bizarre form of Entry Pimping; it seems one particular user, Inky100, is insistent on making subpages because it's possible even if it isn't necessary. besides LogoJoke.Trolls (the subject of the original thread, deemed too short to be necessary), here's a rundown:
- Analysis.Trolls is blank
- DarthWiki.Trolls and SugarWiki.Trolls are just used to list YMMV tropes—and Not Safe for Work, for some reason. isn't NSFW supposed to be a definition-only page?
- DrinkingGame.Trolls and its subpages are clearly stretching for things to "drink" for—"Whenever you get a Squick, Narm or Tastes Like Diabetes feeling" is on all of them—and also, oddly, provides non-alcoholic alternatives
- FanficRecs.Trolls is blank; FanWorks.Trolls only has one entry and multiple blank folders
- Haiku.Trolls is blank
- WhatCouldHaveBeen.TrollsWorldTour has been brought up before as not exactly being necessary given that there's already a tenuously-necessary WhatCouldHaveBeen.Trolls page
- GravityIsAHarshMistress.Trolls is probably the strangest of all, since Gravity Is a Harsh Mistress is such an omnipresent cartoon trope you don't have to single out every single instance of it on its own subpage
there's a few other oddities besides that which are still valid but definitely read like someone hoping to pad out subpages to make the series look more important than it really is, like Recap.Trolls (which has subpages for all of the individual entries in the series, kind of defeating the point), Timeline.Trolls (the extensive and confusing timeline of the trolls universe?), and Memes.Trolls (most YMMV pages have longer "memetic mutation" sections than this). i'm not exactly sure what to do with all this, but it's really strange.
besides cutlisting the blank pages, is there anything that should be done about the others?
openQuestionable YMMV Wording Film
YMMV.Jason And The Argonauts has some complainy entries for Narm and Took the Bad Film Seriously. I don't know if it's accurate or not, but should they be commented out or removed (haven't seen the movie so I can't reword them)?
openProblematic Troper
Boomerang 123 goes easy on context and heavy on shoehorning and complaining.
On YMMV.Strange Magic, they added this:
- The Scrappy:
- Sunny is disliked for being an annoying simp towards Dawn and tries to mess with her free will to get together with her. It doesn’t help that he doesn’t even seem to care that he caused the movie's conflict.
- Roland is annoying and obnoxious even by villain standards. He’s not subtle about his intentions at all, is a complete rip-off of Hans and Gaston, doesn’t really do anything entertaining or intimidating, and his voice sounds like Nicholas Cage doing a bad Elvis impression. His comeuppance isn’t even satisfying or fitting, it’s just nauseating.
- So Bad, It's Good: The movie's jukebox musical concept is cheesy, but sometimes you can’t help but laugh at how unrecognizable the songs sound compared to the originals.
- Cliché Storm: A princess swears off love forever after a bad relationship and somehow ends up falling in love with someone along the way. Not to mention, the villain's whole motivation for destroying love has been done to death.
- Designated Hero: Sunny is supposed to Dawn's one true love, but he comes off as a bit of a jerk for trying to use a love potion on her and practically manipulates her into hooking up with him at the end, even though she clearly wasn’t interested.
- Arc Fatigue: About two thirds of the film consist of the characters singing pop songs or wacky antics. We don’t get any real action or character development until the third act.
Then, they added entries that sound like "things I personally wish happened":
- Ass Pull:
- Bog survives his castle being destroyed with only a small scratch. You’d expect him to have a sprained ankle or at least a stubbed toe.
- They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot:
- Even people who liked the film wished the movie would give more depth to the two kingdoms being divided and why they refuse to live in peace. It was more like a "stay on your side" kind of deal.
- Marianne and Bog’s romance is praised, but it doesn’t get much development or focus. It would have been nice to see how their romance would affect their respective kingdoms, but by the time they start falling for each other, there’s only thirty minutes left in the movie.
- No Celebrities Were Harmed: Sounds like Nicholas Cage doing a bad Elvis impersonation.
- Card-Carrying Villain: Roland is not subtle about his intentions at all.
- Dumb Muscle: He’s not very bright.
Looking through their edit history, I spotted more entries with insufficient context, at the very least, here
and here
, so I sent a context notifier, too. Since then, they made edits here
and here
; some of them lack context again. (I don't know these works, so I can't judge if the tropes fit.)
Also, a couple of days after I sent the complaining notifier, they added
this entry on YMMV.Ice Age 5 Collision Course:
- Narm: Many interviews with the cast members and spots called this, "the best Ice Age movie ever" and that couldn’t be farther from the truth.
openConcerning Troper
I have some concerns about Maddoxsort and I unfortunately do not know how to approach them.
- The moderators and administrators are to be viewed as apathetic Hanging Judge types. They will not sympathize, only criticize. They will not just micromanage, they will cauterize you like a viral infection. They are relentlessly predatory and will immediately gobble up anybody who causes a negative commotion on the wiki in the slightest. It will always be a Hopeless Boss Fight against them, and the sooner you admit this, the better off you'll be.
And this:
- Overall, this wiki is exacting as heck. Every time you make an edit, it must be useful. If there's no practical reason to add something and you do so anyway, it's already wrong. Like that image you wanted to add on a recap page? Forget it- it's in the way. (Or at least wait a few years until the opposition clears out) If it so much as smells like it's politically charged, it's a full-on declaration of war. If you add content with personal bias or sexually suggestive undertones, it's gonna get swabbed away. And if someone can find a reason to dispute one edit, they find reason to dispute them all. Which leads to a waste of time you could be spending more constructively. And it often leaves me wondering, "Why do I even bother?"Exactly. They say they want you to edit, when in reality, you're just some cog in a machine that you don't get to run. A cog who just contributes a waste of time. And that's just sad.Look, but don't touch.
What I am more concerned of, though, is that Maddoxsort admits on their Troper page to being the creator of Eureka Seven: Paradox Makers—or at the very least, very closely involved in the creation of it. They're pretty much the only Troper to have edited the page, which in and of itself is fine. As we've discussed on ATT before, creators may edit pages for their work. Some of their edits have issues like ZCE and trope misuse, but my main concern is that they are Auto-Erotic Troping on the YMMV page. Maddoxsort has added Author's Saving Throw, Adorkable, Holy Shit Quotient, and Fanon, and in pretty...self-congratulatory ways.
- Holy Shit Quotient: Claire bumps into Gidget by accident. Just seeing one of the most lovable Gekkostate alumni doing great is a really pleasant experience.
- Fanon: This story is basically an expansion pack to the Eureka Seven history tailored for the fandom based on feedback. It's not pandering because the writer has a clear vision of what they want to portray and they aren't wavering from that path.
What brought my attention to this Troper was the edit of another one, Robert TYL, who could also use a talking-to about using YMMV pages to mock works. All their edits under Narm are links to pages from the Webcomic with descriptors like "Here be an action-packed human vs. mecha battle as sketched by an 8 year-old with an aneurysm" and "illustrated by a toddler who found out a ballpoint pen can, in fact, be used for art." Maddoxsort has deleted two so far, with the reason "The jokes are not appreciated, you asshole. At least now I know which ones to redo."
I am unsure of how to broach this situation. I see rudeness in the Troper page and Auto-Erotic Troping, but also Robert TYL breaking the "don't be a dick" rule.
openPossible misuse of narm Live Action TV
The YMMV page of Superman & Lois has two entries of Narm, both from the pilot, which read:
- The dramatic intensity with which Clark confesses his origin story to Jon and Jordan can be so over-the-top in a "well, when you say it like that, this whole thing is actually pretty silly" kind of way. With the way it's played out, you'd almost expect for Clark to laugh and yell "just kidding!" instead of proving himself by lifting the truck.
- Nobody at the party noticing Jordan using his heat vision during the brawl, even though he's surrounded by dozens of people, some of whom are filming the brawl. Makes the emotional and shocking scene seem unintentionally comedic.
I have to ask, is this valid? Narm only applies for moments that are meant to be taken seriously but instead come off as hilarious, not moments that either fall flat or just don't have the intended effect.
openEdit War - Narm in Jurassic Park
Jackthe Movie Fanatic has re-added an example of Narm that I had previously deleted in Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom. The entry has already been an object of discussion in the cleanup thread
, where it was deemed to not be valid, since it does not describe an unintentionally funny moment and mostly amounts to complaining about a certain sound effect. I made sure to leave a link to the discussion when I edited the page. What should be done here?
openAnime & Manga subsections Anime
I know the question of how to handle anime and manga as media has long caused questions, but now most of our example sections are titled "Anime and Manga". With a few odd exceptions, such as So Bad, It's Good.Anime. This may be because few mangas are listed on the page (bad animation adds a lot to the narm). By contrast, Horrible.Anime And Manga has "Anime" alone as a redirect; meaning SBIG links to Horrible but not the other way around.
Would it be alright if I were to move pages like SBIG to "Anime And Manga", making "Anime" and "Manga" into redirects?
openEdit war on Hades' YMMV page. Videogame
On the YMMV page for Hades, troper _____________
added an example for Narm:
- Narm: The game is rated T, so it can't show anything too crazy, but what we hear in the blacked-out sex scenes that include Thanatos largely consists of what can be described as awkwardly serious chuckling, perhaps with a crack of Megaera's whip.
A few days later, Zaptech
removed this example, with the edit reason "Pretty sure that this is intentionally humorous.". Then, a few days after that, _____________ added it back, with the edit reason, "Well, I find it unintentionally humorous.".
I decided to bring this here because, besides it officially being an Edit War, this seems to being something that _____________ has done before (ie. add a YMMV example based more on his own opinions than the general opinion of the fans), as a comment on this post
for Demon's Souls brought up him doing this with an example for Anti-Climax Boss
openMassive addition to Nostalgia Critic YMMV page
minikiss just added a massive
trope-slashed (pretty ridiculous because those items are so often misused for one another, we don't need to lump them under the same bullet) Critical Research Failure / Cowboy BeBop at His Computer entry to YMMV.The Nostalgia Critic. I believe the previous CRF / CBBAHC subpages for the show were previously cut to be examined more in-depth and I suspect not everything here counts as either trope - and even if it does, it should be made into subpages. Maybe on the discussion page, the short-term Nostalgia Critic cleanup, or the CRF thread, we should pick apart which examples are actually valid and split it into two entries for CRF and CBBAHC?
I'm mostly bringing it to ATT because I'm wondering if minikiss has an agenda against the series as they previously
edit-warred over a misused Seasonal Rot entry and also added a misused Hype Backlash entry.
EDIT: Actually I think this is the exact text of the originally-cut CowboyBeBopAtHisComputer.The Nostalgia Critic subpage that was cut for just complaining. So would this be considered edit-warring? This also makes me more suspicious that minikiss has an agenda against this show. (Checking their edits, it makes sense because they're also an entry pimp for a Youtuber who is notorious for hating Channel Awesome. Nothing wrong with that, but the edit-warring to add negativity for NC is when it gets concerning.)
EDIT 2: The troper also seems to have an issue with trope-slashing on other pages
(changing a Narm entry to Narm / Narm Charm).
openNicoaln
- Monster Hunter Rise YMMV
(violation of Repair, Don't Respond, already fixed)
- Last Scenario YMMV
(Word Cruft in one entry and improper indentation in another)
- Guild Wars YMMV
("I'm gonna edit this entry which has Word Cruft and also violates RDR, fixing those two while I'm at it be damned")
- AFF subpage of World of Warcraft
(misindentation in an edit and violation of RDR in another)
- Arc Fatigue
(misindentation)
They don't seem like too many cases, as they're in the midst of many edits on Funny and Fridge subpages (whose editing standards are regrettably low), but I had sent a large number of Issue Helpers to Nicoaln in the past for improper indentation and/or natter-like additions. The persistence of these issues in these edits, plus the fact that at times I have resigned to fixing occasional issues from them without PM'ing them (because I know they are aware of the issues), led me to bring this query today.
EDIT: Spotted an extra case I overlooked:
- Narm subpage of Final Fantasy
(misindentation)
openNarm misuse on DC Extended universe Film
So I found this in DC Extended Universe
The way the movie’s Broken Aesop comes about. Diana spends the entire movie convinced that Ludendorff is really Ares and, if she kills him, the war will automatically end. At the end, she kills him only to find out he isn’t Ares and Humans Are Bastards that don’t need to be swayed by a mystical god of war to try to kill each other. Except no, Diana just had the wrong guy and, yes, Ares really did influence and aggravate the war (even if he claims he didn't outright cause it). And once he's dead, the war’s over. Now strictly this is due to an armistice taking effect just when Ares dies, but the way it's framed, it looks like the enemy soldiers come out of a trance because Ares died and they even start hugging Diana's allies. The way the movie so deftly undoes the previous two hours of build-up is a thing to behold.
Umm...but the point is that Ares might have swayed them into doing it but it was still their idea to actually make the decision which he does by playing on their prejudices that are already their Also this is written really weirdly.
open Image deletion Videogame
A little while back, wingedcatgirl deleted
the image for OneManArmy.Video Games. Permission to restore?
Berserk Button: misusing Nightmare Fuel
openEdit war on YMMV.AtelierShallieAlchemistsOfTheDuskSea
Rebochan added this example to YMMV.Atelier Shallie Alchemists Of The Dusk Sea:
- Narm: While fans often debate over the correct way to pronounce "Atelier" (a french word)... everyone agrees you should not say it like they do in *this* game.
I removed it due to being misuse of Narm (it doesn't explain why this turns dramatic scenes funny, it's just complaining about mispronouncing a word). They added it back with this edit reason:
openEdit war
Rebochan is edit warring over a Narm entry on this
page. Their last addition has this edit reason:
"Dude, it's YMMV for a reason. Anyway, the bad pronunciation undercuts every scene where she says it because she literally can't pronounce the title of the game. And unlike most people who post these, I actually checked that this a thing - it's even referenced over at Barrel Wisdom where the video comes from."
I also question this
page talking about meta controversies, but I'm not sure.
Also want to add they've been reported twice
before
for rudeness and edit warring.
openEdit War Live Action TV
RiceRomp
added the following examples to Hollywood (2020):
- Narm: Every time that people act wowed by Camille's acting, just because she’s so clearly not that good. Of particular note is her screen test where she delivers her dialogue with a constipated look on her face, which comes across as worse than than Claire's intentionally botched tape, yet the characters In-Universe view it as a brilliant performance.
- The Scrappy: Camille is this for some since she’s supposed to be an amazing actress, but many have said her portrayer is the weakest link of the ensemble. The idea that someone as untalented as her could overcome the insane racial bias of the era and win an Oscar is laughable.
I removed them because the Narm Clean-Up thread had said
that the former was not an example, and The Scrappy Clean-Up thread said
that the latter requires a 6 month waiting period before examples can be added and the work was released in May of this year.
RiceRomp just today has added these to the page:
- Narm: Every time that people act like Camille's acting is incredible, given most viewers not only think it's nothing to write home about, but legitimately bad. Of particular note is how in universe she's apparently so good that she helps change the country into a more accepting place, and manages to win a lead actress Oscar in the 1940s, a feat that wouldn’t be done in real life until the early 2000s.
- The Scrappy: Camille is probably the least popular of the main characters, with the main reason being that she’s supposed to be an exceptional actress, but her performances come across as more laughable and dull than actually good.
openLegless object show characters
So, this problem retains to character sheets for object shows. Me and Whaterva have decided on what to do last night, but I'm just going to ask right now. So Whaterva has been putting the trope "An Arm and a Leg" in sections for characters who lack legs. Now, the trope in question actually relates to the mutilation of limbs. If the character in question lost their legs to an injury, that's fine. However, to bring you a couple cases, Slurpy's lack of legs is an unknown case, and Nabla's case makes zero sense if you know that she was given Sudden Anatomy by Oodle. We've decided to just replace the trope with an inversion case of Armless Biped until a new trope launches for legless characters, but what do you guys think?
Edited by RabbitTopeBall

The troper Aspie_Gamer has made a few contributions lately that seem to be very complain-y in nature:
I can't seem to find anything else, and I'm not asking for him to be banned, but I am a bit worried.