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openNo Title
The YMMV pages for individual Game of Thrones episodes have been rife with Complaining About Shows You Dont Like in the form of rampant misuse of tropes like Broken Base and Narm. Should I bring this up in the forums? It seems to be a big problem.
openNo Title
I know that Narm is YMMV and as such should only be outright removed in cases of factual inaccuracy, but there's kind of a gray area I've come across. On The Legend of Zelda, one of the things listed is the fact that Link has a goofy expression whenever he finds a Rupoor (which causes you to lose money). I agree that it's amusing, but the thing is that I don't think it really qualifies as Narm because it's not really supposed to be serious in the first place. The only place in the game you can even find Rupoors in the first place is during a minigame, so there's no real drama for the "narm" to ruin. And given that the series has a history of making jokes about his Item Get! poses, it seems really likely that it's a deliberate joke.
Edited by JapaneseTeethopenNo Title
Fast Furious Fan deleted the following from the Narm subpage for Star Wars...
- "Begun, this clone war has."
...with the given editing reason being largely that they like the line in question. Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of YMMV tropes like this?
openNo Title Live Action TV
Not entirely sure what to do here
.
Someone deleted a Narm entry because they disagreed with it. I restored it and said not to, and they then stripped out almost all of the context from the example. I don't think it's edit warring because his edits were very different, but I'm not sure what to do here. Especially since the example is from a very controversial episode. I understand Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgment but that doesn't seem the best way to go about it.
openNo Title
Apologies if too early to go here but I just moved to discussion (and deleted) agenda-dirven edits by Gunarm Dyne
on A Christmas Carol.
I don't mean to engage in an edit war, but it's basically the usual Objectivist "Scrooge as hero; Cratchett as villain" that seems to turn up periodically here and elsewhere in discussions of the book.
Edited by Hodor2openNo Title
Uh...."cloud-to-butt" alert over at Super Smash Bros., leading to unintentional hilarity. "Butt Strife," anyone?
EDIT: Never mind, I fixed it, but still.
Edited by katethegr8openNo Title Live Action TV
Have a problem in YMMV.The Walking Dead TV Show. There's a troper by the handle of NJE91 who's deleting entries without explanation or apparent reason. Jumped the Shark was nuked on the 14th, and then restored by another troper, and now he's deleting entries under Narm.
openNo Title
Ran across either someone with a very bizarre and long-standing autocorrect problem or a very juvenile vandal. Not sure how long they've been doing it, but the last few edits by the user walale12 have included the following edits to other example entries while making legitimate-seeming posts:
- multiple instances of the word "car" being replaced with the word "cat"
- multiple instances of "electric" being replaced with "atomic"
- multiple instances of "force" being replaced with the word "horse"
- "space" becoming "spaaaace"
- "batman" becoming "a man dressed as a bat"
- "witness" becoming "this dude i know"
- "senator" becoming "elf-lord" (I admit this one made me chuckle in a "score one for the childish moron" sort of way)
Fixed their work on Textbook Humor already, but there's more on Metal Gear and Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain. There also seem to be at least a few stretches of legitimate posts, but probably wouldn't be a bad idea if someone with Super OCD were to plow through their edits and check for more shenanigans.
openYMMV links in work descriptions
According to What Goes Where on the Wiki:
- Links and potholes in the descriptions and related tropes sections are also fine for YMMV and objective trope articles, as long as you keep the overall tone neutral. Not so much for descriptions of works (bold mine).
So does that mean things like So Bad, It's Good and Narm should stay off work descriptions (excluding notorious examples like Plan 9)?
Edited by supergodopenAbout ending tropes...
Can ending tropes (like Bittersweet Ending or Bolivian Army Ending or...) be used for Season Finales? I'm curious because someone in a page I watched said that they can't.
openDoes this qualify as an instance of Narm?
This entry was removed from the YMMV page for Fire Emblem Fates, and I'm confused as to the reasoning.
- Picture this: you failed to reach an A rank support with Kaze by the end of chapter 15 in Birthright, resulting in Kaze's death. You had also managed to get him married before this happens. You then go back to My Castle and spot his widow on the castle grounds with an exclamation point over her head and talk to her, expecting to hear a customized grieving quote from her in response to this scripted story event. Instead, she proceeds to bitch to you about accessories like nothing's happened.
It was removed for the following reason: "Not intentionally being Played For Drama."
Can somebody explain what this means if this is valid? It's a dramatic scene being undermined shortly afterwards by an oversight in game mechanics. Does that not qualify? If not, do we have a trope for that?
openThere's a complaint disguised as a Tear Jerker entry On Sesame Street
Its all about how now Sesame Street has sold out and is now on the evil clutches of comercialism and that it should have ended this year. I was wanting to have people people look at that page before but didnt because it was just Narmy for me (SESAME STREET IS NOW ON HBO BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW) but I know that this time it really isnt kosher.
openRe: Narm/News
How is News still allowed to exist? Pretty sure news examples are just real life by another name (and Narm is obviously NRLEP). Thoughts?
Edited by Theatre_Maven_3695openRe: Horrible/FanFilm
Same basic question as my earlier one about News. How is Fan Film different from Fan Fic (or Web Original (which is currently open BTW), for that matter)? Stealth examples of both could be lurking there.
Edited by Theatre_Maven_3695openNarm subpages
I noticed the subpages of Narm mark it as flame bait, but the page itself is only YMMV. Is this a mistake?
open Edit in Star Wars the Force Awakens The Resistance Characters Film
I removed Hypocrite edits to Finn and Rey in https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/StarWarsTheResistance
for being in accurate.
The tropes where :
- Hypocrite: She Refuses The Call both when Han offers to take her, and when Maz tells her to take-up the lightsaber, saying that she needs to go back to Jakku. But when Fin does the same, she acts like he's a traitor.
Argued that not a hypocrite. Because she did not refuse the call with Han , she turned down a job offer that is a different thing. Also it was stated she refused the call but called Finn a traitor when he did the same. One ) she did not call him a traitor , she asked him not to leave her. Not ask him not to refuse his calling . Two ) She refused the call AFTER he left, also she refused the call after he left. So her refusing the call and criticizing him for doing the same in inaccurate, both in timeline and also the fact she did not call him out for refusing his destiny only asked him not to leave her.
As for Finn
- Hypocrite: His decision to desert from the First Order is fueled by the shock of one his comrades dying, and disgust at the First Order's execution of unarmed civilians. Then during his escape with Poe, he is outright gleeful murdering dosens of his comrades, along with dosens of unarmed deckofficers.
One) He swore never to fight for the first order not to fight against them. two ) it was never shown he was targeting the deck officers also dozens did not die in the escape attempt three) no indication of him gleefully killing fellow comrades. I was also pointed out that no indication of camraderie in the First Order, only order. So Finn was fighting against people trying to kill him and others not fellow comrades.
Werebazs reinstated the edits , and put it to discussion. Claimed that Rey and Finn where hypocrites for not practicing what they preached. When pointed out that cannon materials stated that Finn was not dealing with fellow comrades but former fanatacial soldierrs Werebazs stated he was going by what was on screen.
Nothing on screen indicates a camradire or friendship or comradship between soildiers. Also nothing indicating that Finn or Rey where preaching pacifisim or Rey was preaching accepting the call. There has been no follow up on https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=Characters.StarWarsTheResistance&id=107421#107421
and I was wondering considering the trope is not valid based on the justifications. Should I remove it or take other action.
openIf a work has an audience in it, can an Audience Reaction be listed on their page?
Say we have a recording of a stand-up act or a theatrical production, and that's primarily what gets troped on their page. If the recording captures the audience laughing at a dramatic moment and later laughing loudly at a joke, can the page in question list Narm or Funny Moments as In-Universe?
openBolivianArmyEnding
Can I delete The Familiar of Zero example on Bolivian Army Ending, which seems to be based on Fanon not Canon? (it says "ignore the last five minutes") Fighteer summarised the trope in Edit Banned and it seems that this is clearly misuse.
Some of the examples on Bolivian Army Ending fit better on Bolivian Army Cliffhanger instead, as well.
Edited by TheOneWhoTropes

Is it acceptable to list Bechdel Test as a trope on pages to mention whether they pass or fail it? I ask because Gunarm Dyne added it to Film.Morozko.