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openQuestion about potentially off-color remark in Mulan Film
Misogynist character in Mulan had this quote at the end - "In Asia, the women come second."
Now Listen, I'm not asian. I don't know if this is problematic. Heck, maybe the troper who wrote is asian themselves. I don't know if any harm was meant. But I've seen asians, by the by, complaining about the hypocrisy of the West and whatnot. I just want to know is this comment...it's so generalizing, I want to figure out if this was a problematic thing before confronting them.
openStar Trek: Debt of Honor reversions Print Comic
Need to ask permission to partially revert a couple of changes on Star Trek: Debt of Honor, both to avoid edit-warring (I made most of the page) and because mods did them.
𝕋𝕒𝕓𝕤 deleted this example:
- Mixed Ancestry:
- As T'Cel explains, her mother, a full-blooded Romulan, was rescued from an escape pod as a child and mistaken for a Vulcan, as nobody in the Federation knew they were the same species yet. T'Cel, like Saavik, is half-Vulcan, but chose to rejoin her mother's people and embrace her Romulan half (whereas Saavik is shunned by some of T'Cel's crew for hewing to her Vulcan half).
- T'Kir is as well. However while the book openly establishes that she's of mixed race, and T'Kir is keen to learn more about her father's people, the clues as to what the other half actually is are far more subtle. It's heavily implied that she's Kirk's daughter.
I think I can use Non-Human Humanoid Hybrid for this.
Second, Septimus Heap changed "Part of Volume 2 of the Star Trek (DC Comics) series." to "The markup is: Part of..." while removing a wick to Needs Wiki Magic Love, which is just weird wording. I want to change that to "The comic is part of..."
openContinued GDV misuse?
Deleted this misuse from Generic Doomsday Villain:
- Nero from Star Trek (2009). Hailing from the future of the Prime Timeline, Nero is set back into the past with a massive Eldritch Starship, the Narada and gunning to destroy Vulcan and the Federation as a whole. While we understand why — Romulus is destroyed by a supernova and he blames Spock for it — we don't know much beyond that. The initially-canon Star Trek: Countdown explains that the Romulan Senate ignored Nero's warnings and Spock was too late to save the planet, it wouldn't be until Star Trek: Picard that we would get an official answer. We still don't know where he got the ship from.
It outright states they have a clear reason/motive, which means they're not an examples. Also deleted this under Sturm from Characters.Nintendo Wars:
- Generic Doomsday Villain: No one really knows much about him and a lot is merely implied. The only solid, known facts about him are that he wants to conquer the world and he's extremely skilled at warfare. That said, he still turns the game in a very dark direction the moment he takes the reins.
Sturm is an approved Complete Monster meaning he's been deemed to have enough personality to disqualify (sadism and power hungriness are basic but enough motive to count).
Awhile back there was a TRS
on how to fix this, splitting between "villainous Flat Character" and Feral Villain. I'm not sure if there's been improvement on the issue. Thoughts? (And might "Powerful, But Motiveless" be a better name for the intended use?)
openHuh?
I don't understand this example on YMMV.Moana, under Broken Base.
- The title originally caused this. Many Disney fans have been peeved at the trend of One Word Titles that Tangled started (and according to Gigantic the trend is still sticking around). Others don't mind and like the title. It also helps that Moana is a Character Title instead of something vaguely related to the film such as "Ocean".
Moana isn't an adjective title like Tangled or Frozen. Disney has been using one-word character titles for a very long time. (Pinocchio, Dumbo, Bambi, Cinderella, Aladdin, Pocahontas, Hercules, Mulan, Tarzan, and Bolt) How is it any different from those films?
Edited by MrMediaGuy2openMulan YMMV
Are we allowed to make entries that reflect our own opinions, or do we need to only put things that have a general fandom consensus? If someone has an alternate interpretation, does this mean that they are allowed to put their own entries?
open Headscratchers/Mulan2020 - rude edit
The proposed 2020 remake of Mulan has a Headscratchers page made for it, which I agree does seem really superfluous and egregious. And I do agree with Damneddifiant
's sentiment, but it is a pretty rude way to go about saying it.
Is it okay for a movie that is two years out from release to have such a page? Also, a mod might want to keep an eye on Damneddifiant's edits too. I've sent a notifier and deleted the comment.
openDoes this count as an example?
I was listening John Mulaney's The One Thing You Can't Replace and I don't know if this counts as an audio version of Gilligan Cut:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv_1zr3ydFQ
(skip to 3:10)(also puyo version cause why not)
openNo Title Radio
I think I have the right place to ask this. I thought about "Trope Talk" in the forums but that's about the tropes themselves, the alternatives given here don't match either, and there's no activity in the Discussion page for one of the two works (the other doesn't have a trope page/discussion at all). If I'm wrong I'll take it where it should go. Anywho:
Trying to figure out which trope a particular situation comes under. I originally added it in Never Learned to Read but now wonder if it's better suited to AcCENT upon the Wrong SylLABle.
The example refers to a character used in sketches on the Mark & Brian Radio Program / The Brian & Jill Show. The character is an out-of-work voice over artist where the gag is that, while he otherwise speaks fine, once he starts reading the scripts he mispronounces the hell out of everything. An example, quoted in Never Learned to Read, is below.
- This month, we're proud to offer the 1960 Oscar winning film Spar-tackus. Spar-tackus, from leggendary director Stanley Kubbrick, is the story of a glad-ai-ator who leads a violent revolt against the Romulan empire. Starring Kirk Deglaze, Laurence Oliviary, and Tony Curtis. It will make you stand up and say "I am Spar-tack-us."
Never Learned to Read, given the premise, seems the better fit. But the guy can read. He just stinks at it (found a version of the sketch that lampsahdes this in fact). Accent seems to fit, but at the same time seems to be about mispronouncing the word by just stressing the wrong syllable, which this character cranks up to absurd levels.
Wondering about a possible 2nd opinion.
openMulan 2020: Safe to Recreate? Film
The page for the 2020 Mulan live-action remake is currently a redlink for not having a trailer/tropeable material. With today's release of the first proper trailer and poster, do we think it's safe to recreate or not yet?
openThe Army Coming Over the Ridge Film
I don't see this trope covered in your website.
It happens all the time when one army is staring down another. To demonstrate the steep odds facing the one army, the ominous music (or sound effects) plays, the camera cuts to a vacant ridge, then we see the whole of the opposing army slowly emerge until they darken the entire ridge.
EXAMPLES
Mulan = the Huns charge the Imperial Army through The Tung Xiao Pass.
Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace = the Droid Army's tanks slowly approach the Gungan force fields.
The Return of the King = the Riders of Rohan arrive at the gates of Minas Tirith.
Game of Thrones, S 07 E 04 = We hear the Dothraki screamers for a long while before they charge the Lannister Supply Train.
I'm sure there are dozens, if not scores, if not hundreds of additional examples.
Edited by Hughmsweeneyopenquotes page question
In the quotes page for Drill Sergeant Nasty someone has added the full lyrics to Mulan's "Make a Man Out of You", I'm not sure it entirely fits the trope nor that it is entirely kosher just to put the full song lyrics there. Can a mod advise, please?
openNo Title Western Animation
Whizzer Mckwoff keeps addding YMMV items here
, even though he's been repeatedly told not to.
openNo Title
I want to add something to the Internet Backdraft entry of Frozen Disney, but I'm not sure whether or not it would come off as Conversation In The Main Page.
This is the part I want to add to:
- While acknowledging that Disney has made strides in including people of color in their films in the past few decades, such as Aladdin, Mulan, Pocahontas, Lilo & Stitch, Brother Bear, and The Princess and the Frog, some have observed that Disney has featured a larger proportion of films with a Caucasian human cast than films with people of other races.
And this is what I want to add:
...though it could be mitigated by the fact that most of the countries portrayed by Disney Films (like England, Norway, Germany, France, and Greece) have historically had large Caucasian populations, while films with PoC Princesses have generally been set in places where Persons of Color are prominent (like New Orleans, Hawaii, Colonial America, and China).
...So, should I add it in, or just dump it in the Discussion Page? Thanks in advance.
Edited by PilotSolarisopenNo Title
I wanna get a second opinion about an item maylove25 added to YMMV.Frozen.
- Internet Backdraft
- People have also accused the film of being racist for having an all-Caucasian human cast instead of using a larger variety of race, believing Disney has not including enough variety of race in their movies as much as they would like (Disregarding that Disney had included a variety of other races in some of their past films like The Jungle Book, Aladdin, Mulan, Pocahontas, Lilo And Stitch, The Emperors New Groove, Atlantis The Lost Empire, Brother Bear, and more recently, The Princess And The Frog, which even adapted most of the characters as African-American, which wasn't even indicated in the original story). These people started a "This Could Have Been Frozen" project, with people submitting their own versions of the story and recasting Anna and friends as non-white northern native people.
1) I'm pretty sure no one has called the film racist 2) I think the issue about lack of diversity has to do with disney's princess line not their animation works in general.
I dunno this looks kinda overly defensive to me.
Edited by captainpat

The following entry has been the subject of a long, drawn-out, multi-person Edit War on YMMV.Star Trek Picard:
I'm of the opinion that it's Not an Example. It's unclear from the show precisely how much of the decision to pull out of the Romulan evacuation effort was due to a lack of ships and how much was due to anti-Romulan sentiment, however it is clearly stated that fourteen Federation member worlds were threatening to secede before the attack on Mars led to a lack of ships, specifically because of anti-Romulan sentiment. Characterizing the Federation as having an element of anti-Romulan racism is canonically correct.
As for the improperly indented second bullet point, Word of God is interesting trivia and everything, but if it didn't make it into the show proper then it didn't make it into the show proper, and even if it did, it doesn't change the main point at hand.