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openMLPFIM Season 9 Fridge Horror Western Animation
Didn't know if I should ask this on the forum or here. Spoiler warning as this involves a plot twist for season 9 of My Little Pony Friendship is Magic.
Given that "Grogar" turned out to be a fake, should the following Fridge Horror entries about him be cut:
- Grogar is powerful enough to make Tirek, Chrysalis, and Cozy Glow, all top tier season-ender villains themselves, AFRAID... and he's NOT at full power yet!
- Considering how powerful Grogar is without his bell, the villain trio deciding to betray him by stealing the bell for themselves might be the only reason why Equestria isn't flattened to the ground.
- Instead of giving Grogar his bell, Tirek, Chrysalis, and Cozy lie to him and claim they were unable to retrieve it. Grogar seems furious at this, but he has shown in the past to be able to view previous events. What if he finds out about their lie later, or already knows about it and has plans to deal with his traitors later?
- Grogar makes it very clear that, even in his weakened state, he has far more power than the three of them combined. With the bell still there as far as he knows, what's stopping him from trying to go get it himself now that the others have at least learned to cooperate, only to find it missing?
- With the amount of power Grogar would have gained upon getting his Bewitching Bell back, who's to say he wouldn't have decided he doesn't need the others anymore? Even if he had other plans for them initially, he's far more likely to decide that should he learn of their betrayal.
openTroper with a bizarre agenda. Western Animation
Okay, a new troper, jto has only made four edits yesterday, all deletions without edit reasons and all of them was about removing a character's dating history or who the fans were shipping him with hence why I'm thinking there might be an agenda even though it's a really weird one.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=jto
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Characters.DuckTales2017McDuckFamilyHouseholdAndEmployees#edit25433627
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=YMMV.DuckTales2017#edit25433681
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=YMMV.DuckTales2017#edit25433705
openSmall edits. Western Animation
Thetropemaster101
is constantly making small edits on the Star Wars: The Clone Wars subpages. Most of these are changing single words, (often changing the words, and then immediately changing them back), moving punctuation marks from brackets, and sometimes leaving null edits for no discernable reason. This bloats up the page histories a lot. Is this against wiki guidelines? If not, I apologize.
openIs this recap page pointless? Western Animation
So I discovered Recap.The Adventures Of Andre And Wally B. While singular works can have recap pages, the work here is a 2-minute-long animated short film with a very minimal plot that’s already summed up in the main page’s description, so I don’t see why there needs to be a recap page.
openNo Edit Reason Western Animation
The four most recent edits of https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=cristian1234
have just been deletions without any edit reasons which I would have just contented myself on sending them a message if two of those edits weren't big edits and all of them didn't seem to have a discernible reason behind it.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=YMMV.DarkwingDuck
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=YMMV.DuckTales2017
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Funny.DuckTales2017Season3#edit27064396
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Funny.Ducktales2017Season2#edit27064636
openEdit War on Miraculous Ladybug Recap Western Animation
There's an edit war ongoing on Miraculous Ladybug S04E19 "Simpleman" between ~Dominek 93 and a couple of other tropers.
- Didn't Think This Through: Happens once again with Shadow Moth. He fails to take into account that he too could be affected by Simpleman's power, which fires a wave which doesn't discriminate targets, meaning Shadow Moth is close enough to get caught in the wave. Although his behaviour does not seem to change at all under influence of the wave...
Dominek keeps re-adding the final line back into the entry even though it was previously commented out and is apparently under discussion. I think that the other tropers involved may not technically be edit warring because they're repairing the example, but the notes left in the edit reasons are starting to get heated.
Edit: The page's edit history
, the last several things are all this edit war.
openMy Little Pony A New Generation Western Animation
I am weary about two entries for the new movie. Both seem to erring on the negative and complaining side. Also I am not sure how well the entries fit the trope. Therefore, I am asking here.
WesternAnimation.My Little Pony A New Generation
- Contrived Coincidence: Izzy just happens to come to Maretime Bay and kick off the plot right after Canterlogic's annual showcase, and then one day later the royal celebration also happens to take place at Zephyr Heights, so Sunny and Izzy are lucky to go there and have an opportunity to easily steal the crown (,though that sadly doesn't work out). If the unicorns weren't so lifeless and dull they'd probably have another big event happening right after to go along with the other events already happening with the earth ponies and pegasi around the same time.
For the first part, Izzy coming on the day of the showcase doesn't really mean anything. The properganda is so strong, she could have come the day before or the day after and the same thing would have still happened. The second thing about Zephyr Hights having a celebration where they can (not easily) steal the crown is in fact a little coincidental and may count. However the last part is just natter and sounds like a complaint.
YMMV.My Little Pony A New Generation
- Ass Pull: Sunny's speech at the end may have gotten the seniors of the three tribes to see the error of their ways and choose friendship over bigotry, and it's quite similar to the speech Twilight had at the climax of G4's finale. But there's no in-story explanation or foreshadowing for how Sunny realized that bringing ponies together was the key rather than bringing the crystals together, making it seem to come out of nowhere.
I admit I am not sure, but there is just something off about this statement. Not to mention it is a sequel to a show that literally has friendship is magic as its theme so did it really come not of nowhere?
Edited by LadyErinNYopenYoung Justice character pages Western Animation
The Characters.Young Justice 2010 subpages are duplicated on Characters.Young Justice (all the character subpages in the menu). It looks like they were disambiguated, but no redirects or link-fixing followed. Is anyone still working on these?
openUn-Customize a Title Western Animation
Make Mine Music has no exclamation point in the opening credits
, so I don't think our article needs one in the title.
openEdit War Western Animation
Caidin added something onto Limited Wardrobe's example on the 27th which was wholly unrelated to clothing or seemingly the show in general. I axed it, but they just added it back today.
Further research shows that all five edits they've made on this page pertain to that same thing.
Edited by MegaMarioManopenLimitedAnimation between the movie "Luca" vs the short "Ciao, Alberto": Western Animation
An Example of Limited Animation for the Pixar Short Ciao, Alberto has been contested and I'd appreciate feedback on the appearance of these two food items.
- Given the Food Porn depiction of Trenette al Pesto in Luca, it is surprising to see the tomato that Massimo chops in half rendered as a dull, plastic-looking prop instead of a piece of fresh produce.
- Does the tomato from Ciao, Alberto seem more like a plastic prop?

- In comparison to this pasta from Luca?

openNon-character tropes on a Character page. Western Animation
On Friendship Is Magic: Spike, editor Punitivefool 14 has added dozens of trope examples with a couple of problems.
- First of all, whatever cut-and-paste method they used breaks up Wiki Word, forcing other editors to make lots of corrections behind them. (I've messaged the concerned about it). Other errors including no quote marks around episode titles, as well as no formatting at all for quotes. (For the record, I haven't checked yet if the editor did the same mistakes on other pages than this one.)
- Secondly, lots of the examples don't look like character tropes at all, just any trope examples concerning the character, often happening within a single episode and thus already mentioned in said recap. I'd like some help to clean-up those from anybody having a clear idea what tropes go in a character page and what tropes don't.
openWhere should these Lion King characters go? Western Animation
So I was scrolling through The Lion King characters lists and noticed some oddities. Kiara, despite being the protagonist of the second film and barely a character in the first, is listed under the first movie simply because she was introduced there. Additionally, Vitani has two separate trope lists under the second film and The Lion Guard.
I feel Kiara's trope list should be moved to the second film and Vitani's lists should be merged under the second film as well, but I'd like to get some other's thoughts first before making any decisions.
openFinding Nemo and Overprotective Dad Western Animation
I'm not 100% sure this is the right place to ask. My doubt isn't about the entry itself or its usage, but the correctness of this entry in YMMV.Finding Nemo that I find rather excessive:
- "Seinfeld" Is Unfunny:
- Marlin is the Trope Codifier of the Overprotective Dad trope mostly found in Western Animation. This has resulted in many other overprotective dads, like Dracula, Samson and Manny being seen as rip-offs of him.
openFalse information on ''WesternAnimation/Dumbo'' related pages. Western Animation
So there have been a bunch of weird entries being added to the Dumbo related pages of all things, essentially accusing the Ringmaster of saying racial slurs among other things. All by the same editor, Dandy Crow.
- Flanderization: The Ringmaster in the movie wasn't necessarily an outright villain despite his actions toward Dumbo and his mother and being considered the main antagonist of the film, just another jerkass. But he's upgraded to being the main villain antagonist for Dumbo in Disney's Villains' Revenge. ‘’’He is implied by the roustabaouts in their passive-aggressive musical to be exploitative and abusive toward them and the animals, calling even the roustabaouts names like "dirty apes".’’’
- No Antagonist: A rare instance of a Disney movie that has no real villains, per se (at best, the Ringmaster is an Anti-Villain, despite his ‘’’"punishing" Dumbo for a failed performance by putting him in very dangerous and humiliating acts’’ and ‘’’his treatment toward the roustabaouts).’’’ Instead, it's about an elephant who's trying to find acceptance within his own circus.
- Villainy-Free Villain: The Ringmaster is touted as the main antagonist, but most of his controversial acts like locking Mrs. Jumbo and sending Dumbo to the clowns were all to maintain and protect his circus and all the other animals there, but the former could also be because of Mrs. Jumbo humiliating him by throwing him into a vat full of water and the latter could be easily a punishment for Dumbo for failing terribly the Ringmaster's beloved act,’ ‘’not to mention his treatment toward the roustabaouts.’’ He apparently would try to honor Dumbo's attempts to get his mother free, but Dumbo screwed up the first one, and after he spectacularly succeeded, despite the Ringmaster being publicly humiliated by Dumbo, he perhaps kept his word and gave Dumbo and his mother a well-deserved luxury, but ‘’the film implies that Timothy became the new manager and ringmaster of the circus.’’
These edits insist that the Ringmaster calls racial slurs at the workers during the song of the Roustabouts.
However whilst the song does have the line, "grab that rope, you hairy ape", which is indeed loaded with tons of Unfortunate Implications, not only is the voice actor for that line, ‘’not’’ Herman Bing(voice of the Ringmaster), but the Ringmaster is absent in that entire sequence altogether.
There are also circus animals working in that scene alongside the humans, so its also possible the line was referring to an actual ape (its still offensive to be clear).
Basically it seems like saying for fact on the Tvtropes article that the Ringmaster yells racial slur at the workers is false information. It might make an interesting entry for Wild Mass Guessing, but it doesn’t belong on the main page.
Similarly whilst the Ring Master is depicted in the film as an egotistical Pointy-Haired Boss, nothing in the film implies the Ringmaster intentionally punished the protagonist or that he imprisoned Dumbo’s mom for throwing him in a vat of water.
And doing basic research shows that the Ringmaster was not replaced at the end of the film as Deleted Scenes and ancillary material say he’s still in charge. So again, saying the Ringmaster was replaced seems like a lot of misinformation.
Whilst its very possible, I’m wrong, I noticed similar edits were on the Disney wiki’s ringmaster by a banned user of the same username(Dandy Crow) as the person doing these tvtropes edits with misinformation.
One Link of similar edits on the disney wiki
These constant edits eventually led to the Ringmaster article on DisneyWiki being perma locked
. So I'm wondering if its the same editor on Tvtropes?
So does anyone think this is worth a look?
Edited by Monsundopen Valid entry or complaining? Western Animation
- Unintentionally Unsympathetic: Most of the Louds in this episode. We're supposed to feel sorry for them, due to being bothered by their hecklers and how it's making them not enjoy their favorite activities. However, all of that sympathy is destroyed, when they all pin the blame on Lincoln, using him as a scapegoat, believing it's all of his fault, due to blabbing about their hecklers. Despite the fact that Lincoln, while he could've shown more tact, was just simply explaining how some of the family had their fair share of hecklers and had done said so, to help Lynn Jr. The fact Lola says Lincoln ruins lives, with everyone, even Rita and Lynn Sr, agreeing with her, and never apologizing for it at the end, makes most of the Louds despicable human beings, who'll gladly use Lincoln as a scapegoat for their petty issues.
This was found in the YMMV of one the most recent Loud House episodes "The Taunting Hour".
What caught my attention was this sentence: The fact Lola says Lincoln ruins lives, with everyone, even Rita and Lynn Sr, agreeing with her, and never apologizing for it at the end, makes most of the Louds despicable human beings, who'll gladly use Lincoln as a scapegoat for their petty issues.
I get it that people are upset about this scene, but I feel this is pure complaining here. Do I remove?
openEdit warring user Western Animation
I removed the following entry from the character page The Simpsons - Extended Family for the Simpsons, in Mona Simpson's folder, as the Foil page strictly indicates that foils have to interact and meet for their contrast to work.
- Foil:
- She could also be considered one to Agnes Skinner. Despite being a Missing Mom, Mona loves her son Homer dearly and never treats him with anything but kindness. Meanwhile, Agnes is extremely suffocating and verbally abuses her son.
Dan Sha 38, who added the trope back in April, readded the entry a few hours ago without bothering to send a PM or write an edit reason.
Edited by Edgar81539openWhat an idiot constantly being added back to Amphibia's YMMV page Western Animation
A while back, What An Idiot has been branded as Flame Bait and as it's site policy, I chose to remove Amphibia's entry for it off of the show's YMMV page. It was added back a week or so later, which I removed it again, citing site policy. However, it was put back again a few hours ago. As I do not want to risk edit warring, what should I do?
Edited by KageTsuki88openPossible Agenda Western Animation
Its might be nothing but the edits made by the troper, ColbyLawson20
, on Dead Space: Aftermath seem to suggest they have a grudge against women who have affairs with married men.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=WesternAnimation.DeadSpaceAftermath#edit34703454

On SpongeBob SquarePants, I removed an Justifying Edit on this entry
, originally added
by Trending Toon 1.
A few minutes later, I got a rather rude response to the sinkhole notifier I sent them, demeaning me for removing the Justifying Edit.
Edited by skan123