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openMessy editor Live Action TV
Editor dgenega5764
continues having problems shoehorning the Arch-Enemy trope, assigning it to almost every single character who becomes an open antagonist to another, among other minor problems ( Zero context examples, the "arguably" word, not using present tense narrative, walls of text... ) Example
Several editors already cleaned some of the misuse in the past, but he keeps readding it without paying any regard to the reasons or explanations given.
Edited by TrollBrutalopenDesperate Housewives Live Action TV
There appears to be something weird going on with the main work and YMMV pages for Desperate Housewives. Rather than just listing the examples, all the examples have been split into Character Tropes, Episode Specific Tropes and Show Wide Tropes sections.
openRecap/Criminal Minds Live Action TV
So I didn't see a Recap Criminal Minds page for Criminal Minds (though there's a note showing one should exist in the list of Recap pages under Live Action TV, and I could have sworn there used to be one) so I went through and made a list of all the episodes known so far (including the few named ones The Other Wiki lists for S13 that haven't aired yet). I figured out how to make a list of Recap pages, but I'm not that experienced at building TV Tropes pages yet, and I've never actually built a Recap page for individual episodes. Tips, please? Or help? Twelve seasons (plus one episode of 13) is a daunting task for this inexperienced troper.
Thank you,
Kaylee Arafinwiel
Edited by kayleearafinwielopenReporting a dubious entry Live Action TV
Adam Ruins Everything contains a very long, elaborate Critical Research Failure entry, much of it seeming to not fit the trope (an error so egregious a layman would notice it). I’m tempted to axe it, but I thought I’d mention it here to get a second opinion.
openPossible vandal on Star Trek Discovery pages Live Action TV
All of DonTirri
's edits have consisted of deleting examples of there being a major gay character in Star Trek: Discovery for being "irrelevant information". Not sure if it quite counts as vandalism (the example deleted from Star Trek: Discovery were all misused tropes), but it's raising some red flags.
openEdit War Live Action TV
User Eagleman has re-added
a Squick example to The Flash 2014 YMMV that's been removed twice before, but since it was so long ago I doubt they know it's not allowed. I've sent a PM asking them to delete it, should I do anything else?
openInappropriate Armchair Diagnoses on ST Discovery pages Live Action TV
Hi... UGH! I've been tempted to make a couple edits to the Star Trek Discovery pages... in particular the various, rather un-clinical claims that Cadet Tilly's "special needs" are "code for some form of Autism." But I thought doing so would touch off an editing war, so I'm bringing it here.
I am a veteran of 8 years in Autism services and I find these armchair diagnoses very frustrating. I don't think "Ambiguous Disorder" would be inappropriate to list on the character page or the main page in reference to Tilly, but 1) for context, it's clear her "special needs" have to do with allergies, this was estalbished in the first ep where she appears. 2) Being socially awkward in itself is NOT enough to make a clinical diagnosis of Autism. 3) I wouldn't care so much about this if it didn't come off like a bunch of amateurs offering armchair diagnosis of "Autism" based on a character who is socially awkward and sometimes blurts odd things out, and 4) if I didn't think that this contributed to a serious public misunderstanding of Autism and to problems created where persons in online subcultures relentlessly self-diagnose (and try to justify behavior they know is inappropriate by appealing to their clinically uninformed self-diagnosis.)
As someone trained to assess for and diagnose Autism, who can genuinely speak from an expert opinion on this subject, I see ZERO traits of Autism in Tilly. The armchair overdiagnosis is, no pun intended, a "symptom of a broader disease" that we in social work are trying to bring attention to: the problem of "over-medicalization" or "over-pathologization." If Tilly presented with significant sensory or communication challenges, I'd be more open to other tropers' armchair diagnoses, but there is ZERO clinical basis for the claim that Tilly "offers a more realistic portrayal of Autism" than actual intended portrayals of Autism in other media that have actually been established by "Word of God" and/or in canon, in-universe (IE Max in Parenthood), or implied much more directly by other observed behaviors (like Holtzman in the new "Ghostbusters.")
Sorry, guys, but as an expert in Autism, I don't see it. The truth about behavioral health is that lots of people can be socially awkward at times without requiring a mental health diagnosis to justify human diversity.
Can we please be more judicious about this on the Star Trek Discovery pages? For the sake of not over-pathologizing/over-medicalizing the degree to which social skills vary in human beings even without Autism? Can we PLEASE stop labeling every character in fiction who sometimes struggles with social skills as "Autistic?" Or at least acknowledge this could be YMMV and link to Useful Notes: Autism for a more clinically informed persepective/comparison?
I apologize if this strikes a nerve with Trek fans who themselves have Autism and want to believe Tilly is Autistic too because it's positive to see someone who reminds them of themselves on a Federation Starship. But that's still wishful thinking that has yet to be directly behaviorally implied or confirmed by "Word of God" and there's even a lot of evidence that Tilly is not supposed to have Autism in-universe.
Edited by FTDopenCan Expy apply to an entire race? (re: The Orville) Live Action TV
Since "The Orville" is essentially an homage to Star Trek, over on the main page the Expy trope is getting hit hard and heavy. Many of the parallels between the Orville crew and their Star Trek counterparts are credible. But of late, examples are popping up about how entire races in The Orville are expies to races in Star Trek (ie Krill are Klingons/Romulans, Alara's race kinda resembles the Bajorans, Darulio's sexually open race is reminiscent of the Deltans, etc).
I don't think these are appropriate examples of the Expy which, to my understanding, focuses on a specific character not an entire race.
I'm looking for confirmation of my understanding on the Expy and if there is a more appropriate trope for collecting the similarities of races between two works.
openWrong way to do a recap page? Live Action TV
Recap.Only Fools And Horses doesn't seem like it's going the way a recap page should with the way the recaps are all on the same page for tropes; isn't this against wiki rules/conventions?
Edited by Merseyuser1openPower Rangers Dino Fury Live Action TV
So I noticed that the Trope page and everything for it was removed (which is odd since every other Sentai/Ranger series got theirs kept before their series launched). Well, the series came out today, so can we get it put back?
openThe Othersiders Live Action TV
Series.The Other Siders was created just today—and yet I can already tell that every single entry is a Zero-Context Example.
openPotentially over-creepy fanservice entry Live Action TV
Was skimming Series.Bones the other day, and came across this entry:
- Fanservice Bones' Wonder Woman costume in "Mummy in the Maze". Ms. Deschanel's assets are... unusually prominent. Noticeably prominent. Gloriously prominent. Quite a bit of Gainaxing too.
This struck me as being overly pervy, especially in it's focus on the actress rather than the character. (Note: The character is not really playing to fanservice. While the costume does show more skin that typical for her, she's approaching it as a childhood-wish-fulfillment cosplay)
Now, the gainaxing comment needs to go. These are live action scenes, with no digital enhancement to... body physics, just the natural result of wearing a costume in more strenuous circumstances than it was designed for.
Before I re-write this entire example: Am I being too sensitive by the standards of the wiki?
Edited by underCoverSailsmanopenColbert Bump Live Action TV
Must Colbert Bump entries always go on the Trivia pages of works getting bumped, or can they also go on the pages for the works doing the bumping? Trivia.The Mandalorian has an entry crediting the show for boosting Ahsoka Tano's popularity.
openThe Game Show Tropes thing Live Action TV
Why do we list Game Show Tropes separately from other tropes on game show work pages? We don't seem to do this for any other genre of show with tropes specific to that genre, and there often aren't so many pages listed that we need to separate them.
openWhy are Tropers don't talk about Grand Finale of some tv shows? Live Action TV
I noticed that no one edits about the ending of Teen Wolf, The Vampire Diaries, and Pretty Little Liars. I mean they don't mention Grand Finale of it, Bittersweet Ending and other ending tropes. To all the Tropers who used to edit three shows I mentioned here, why don't you talk about the ending of the show? It it because the show has Seasonal Rot or something else?
Edited by BubblepigopenToo Graphic? Live Action TV
On the Web Original page for Role-Ending Misdemeanor, there is an example for an individual named Peluchin Entertainment. The way the example is currently written, I personally think it is way too graphic and should be edited. However, I wanted to ask first before doing so.
Edited by HMSquaredopenPossible shoehorn on The Celestial Toymaker Live Action TV
Found these two examples on The Celestial Toymaker:
- Yellowface: The Toymaker is a borderline example, in that Michael Gough dressed as a mandarin and adopted the title of "Celestial", a word that the English associated with Chinese culture. But he did not adopt a Chinese-sounding accent or wear makeup.
- Yellow Peril: A debatable example: the Toymaker wears traditional Chinese clothing (with no in-story explanation or discussion), and the word "Celestial" is an old (primarily American) and mildly derogatory term for Chinese people and culture, but there's no attempt to give the character a "Chinese" facial appearance or accent.
Are these shoehorns? I also feel that these kinds of tropes shouldn't be this debatable.
Edited by TheRandomSurfboardopenMCU and Canonicity of series. Live Action TV
I don't want to get into an Edit War, so will ask here.
Should I put Series.Agent Carter and Series.Agents Of SHIELD as Divorced Installment, since they're on Disney Plus as Marvel Legends, i.e. non-canon to Marvel Cinematic Universe, or should I leave it as it is?
Same for the Hulu series.
As it stands, canonicity of them is still being debated currently, so I don't know what to do.
openAdding Images to Recap Pages Live Action TV
If you want to add an image to a recap page, are you allowed to include two images if they are noteworthy from the episode or are you only allowed to include one? Thanks.

Just bugs me: why was the Dark Matter TV series moved, and not in its entirety? The WMG, dedicated entirely to the series (as opposed to the neglected RPG system) was left with the old name, and the move itself happened last weekend.