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openEdit warring on ymmv page of JaneTheVirgin Live Action TV
Troper Sabat has been Edit Waring on the ymmv page of Jane the Virgin. They added these two entries several times despite being removed by two other people on the grounds of having racist leanings as well as coming off as biased.
Here are the entries in question: Anvilicious: This show has addressed the subject of illegal immigration in a one-sided manner, but it is especially obvious in Chapter 61, which dedicates another Alba subplot to the issue, finally culminating in Mateo asking "why some people don't want peace" in America.
- Strawman Has a Point: While the snooty white woman in Chapter 61 who informed a Spanish-speaking guest that "This is America. You should learn to speak English," was rude, many people would agree that if you live somewhere, you should know how to speak their language. Alba later reciting the Preamble of the Constitution as a retort comes across very Narm, as well.
As well as the Edit history
openBatman Series Live Action TV
I'd like to ask if the move from Series.Batman to Series.Batman 1966 was somehow discussed and/or approved, because...
- Such a move is usually justified by another work in the same namespace and title and a disambiguation is needed, which doesn't seem the case here to my knowledge.
- The other reason to move a page, that is to split the subpages so that they apply to only one work, can't be invoked here since every one of the Batman (1966) subpages is a redirect to the corresponding Batman subpage.
I can't help but think this move was half-assed here.
openHow Bizarro is a Bizarro Episode? Live Action TV
I'm having trouble getting a handle on Bizarro Episode. I always thought that it meant episodes that are completely out of continuity, like the NewsRadio episodes that are set on the Titanic or in space. But there are a lot of examples that are just "this episode is weirder than usual", or "events in this episode aren't referenced again", or just examples of bad episodes. Is it really supposed to be YMMV? If it's like those Newsradio examples, it's not based on audience reaction, it's a deliberate choice of the writers.
openDisagreement/Slight Edit War over DesignatedHero Live Action TV
So Troper Desert Dragon put up a Designated Hero entry on the YMMV page of Marvel'´s runaways. I deleted it because I don't really think that applies. Not just because of my own opinion (what he thinks), but because pretty much every Runaway in that season has done their own share of morally ambiguous things that the rest of the group disagreed with (heck, Nico even killed several people) and is called out in-universe, respectively. Alex is not singled out as in any way particularly bad.
The troper however put it back up. How should we proceed?
(Ironically, a similar topic was started over myself recently^^)
Edited by ForenperseropenPlagiarism Report Live Action TV
The first three recap pages (at least, I haven't found any more) on Cold Case appear to be blatantly plagiarized from the Wikia (one actually links to it, says it takes from there...). Two were added by samitv, and one was added by unclejack (sorry, I don't know how to link tropers). This is a bit old, so I'm not sure if this has been dealt with already or not, but I figured I should report it anyway.
openPossible Edit War on YMMV.TheBookOfBobaFett Live Action TV
Troper StrangeBro
added a Narm entry on YMMV.The Book Of Boba Fett which read:
- Narm: The Chase Scene in "The Streets of Mos Espa" was mocked for its apparent sluggishness, obvious and jarring green-screening, and out-of-place tone (fans observed that a bunch of Cyborg Scooter Riding Mods on gleaming, color-coded "space Vespas" would be more at home in Spy Kids than Star Wars).
openDouble Standards: Abuse--female on male Live Action TV
I recently checked on the Double Standards: Abuse: female on male—Live Action TV section to find what I felt was an extremely clear-cut example of the trope removed.
The example was Season 6 of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Specifically, Buffy's treatment of Spike in the season being behaviour that would be considered pretty unambiguously abusive had she been a man and he a woman; constant put-downs, sexual aggression, dehumanization, and a full on beat-down that left him with an injured face for multiple episodes, etc. By the end of the season or the show, Buffy's never truly held to account for that abusive behaviour—it's never even ever called abuse and the effects it may have had on Spike is completely unexamined. I would say this is a fairly clear case of Double-Standards on abuse.
The example was apparently removed with the reasoning that Buffy beats up vampires of both sexes but I find this to be inadequate. The example wasn't citing random action scenes where Buffy and Spike fights, or even fights against Spike that Buffy wins. It was specifically talking about when the two of them were sexual partners, essentially "boyfriend/girlfriend" and Buffy's behaviour during this time, so I don't think the reasoning justifies the removal at all. Am I okay to add the example back? I don't want to be in an editing war.
Also: If there's a cleanup thread for this trope, I'd be happy to be directed to it. Seems there's a ton of examples being removed at once.
openPotential agenda-based editing on LiveActionTV\KillingEve pages Live Action TV
The troper Rm 74 has been misuing For the Evulz and Face–Heel Turn on the Killing Eve pages. I've deleted all of them as they are stating things that aren't true, and creating this entry just in case it escalates to an edit war.
While it's on an unrelated page, their edit reason on YMMV.No Time To Die was quite aggressive towards another troper.
Edited by ShaokenopenKwan Ha = Scrappy? Live Action TV
We return once again
to the wondrous world of Halo (2022) to talk about Kwan Ha. She was registered as The Scrappy under the following argument:
"Kwan Ha was supposed to be an Audience Surrogate for the audience of this series based on the popular Halo games and she was given a tragic back story in order to make her into an interesting and sympathetic character. However, she is slowly becoming disliked by the audience, due to her abrasive and disrespectful temperament. Even in-universe, some of the characters barely tolerate Kwan’s attitude."
I had to delete the entry because it seemed like a knee-jerk reaction and I felt that we should wait 6 months after the end of season 1 until we can make an informed decision about her. What do you say?
openFridge.Psych Live Action TV
Today, I noticed that someone started a Fridge page for Psych. However, there are two issues with it: 1)None of the Fridge examples on YMMV.Psych were moved there. And 2)This is the only entry:
- In High Top Fade Out, there's suddenly a new rule that the police have to do background checks on Gus's former band mates, one of whom had his car blown up. This is especially egregious when you consider that Gus's former band mates are both black.
As you can see, it's not categorized under Brilliance, Horror, or Logic. How can we fix this? I'd rather not fix problem 1 until problem 2 is dealt with.
openList of "trope-based episodes" Live Action TV
For TV series, trope examples are sometimes divided into one list of tropes that apply to the entire series, and another with "episode tropes". It's fairly common, but I think the practice is somewhat frowned upon.
But I just came across a bit of the opposite:
On Series.Space 1999, there is a list of "trope-based episodes". Most of the entries just contain the episode name and one or two tropes which drive the plot of that episode.
Is this something we want? At first, I thought that "no, we don't want them, because they are ZCEs", but they are not even examples; they are just a sort of index, so the ZCE rule doesn't really apply.
There are one or two cases where the episode entry actually contains a complete example or two. In some cases, they duplicate an entry in the main example list, and in some they don't.
openCaptain Obvious Reveal Live Action TV
In Midnight Mass (2021) I've put an entry for Captain Obvious Reveal regarding the premise of the series. Another user, Arthur Eld, removed it, insisting it wasn't obvious at all. We already discussed it and came with nothing conclusive, other than we probably should make an ATT ticket about it. So... here is a ticket. Should I post our exchange about it and the arguments for and against or something?
It's this rare case where I do feel like something was cut without adequate reason from YMMV and the entry should be reinstalled where it was. But I don't want it to look like a petty edit war, either, so here I am, first talking with the other user and now making this ticket.
Edited by StaniszopenNo Title Live Action TV
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=YMMV.Succession
technonazgul has one edit and it’s taking valid stuff off this page. I can source it if they want with Shiv bashing and the actors being asked about Kendall/Stewy, but I wasn’t aware you had to with those tropes.
openCreator's Pet Misuse? Live Action TV
Going to post this here since I haven't yet heard a response in the Creator's Pet cleanup thread.
Found this entry on the YMMV subpage of Game of Thrones
- Ramsay Bolton quickly became this, as well thanks to Adaptation Expansion. His extended torture of Theon happened offscreen in the books but was shown in the series to give Alfie Allen something to do. Soon after he started to dominate plotlines and the universe seemed to conspire to make him come out on top, despite his Stupid Evil tendencies. He ended up derailing Stannis's entire war effort with just one sneaky midnight raid on his camp with just twenty people, and proceeded to beat the rest in a Curb-Stomp Battle. And then next season he easily kills his father to become Lord of Winterfell, setting him up as the Big Bad of the Northern storyline. Sure enough, add Ramsay is the most despicable person in this Crapsack World and everything meant to make him unlikable works with precision, while also making his eventual and painful death cathartic to viewers.
Thing is, Ramsay is more of a Base-Breaking Character rather than The Scrappy and he's listed under tropes like Love to Hate and Draco in Leather Pants so should he be cut? Thanks.
Edited by spyland2openDisambiguating Queer as Folk Live Action TV
Hello,
How can I get the Main "Queer as Folk" page unlocked for editing? Right now the edit button on that page just redirects to Trope Launch Pad.
I want to disambiguate "Series / Queer as Folk" into "Queer as Folk (UK)" and "Queer as Folk (US)" since those shows are different enough from each other that I don't think it makes sense to keep the two combined in the a single Series namespace.
Edited by SuperTroperopenFanservice Tropes/Halo (2022) Live Action TV
I'm sorry if this should maybe go in another place, but I wasn't sure so I figured I'd start here. I've bene going over the Series / Halo 2022 character pages (which are a bit of a mess, but I'm trying to focus on one issue), and I figured I'd start with something small that's been bugging me.
Namely, the Mr/Ms. Fanservice tropes are used no less than 4 times on the character page, with what I would call very thin justification.
First, there's John the Master Chief
- Mr. Fanservice: Scarring aside, Chief is a very ripped man underneath all that armor. The third episode has him buck naked, with several full views of his rear, in the SPARTAN barracks, even if the scene in question has him taking a suppression implant out of his back using a knife.
As pointed out, the scene where John is nude is so he can perform surgery on himself, it's not scored or lit or shot in "look at how sexy John is" sort of way. He is muscular, but then so are plenty of the characters on the show.
Next, Kai another SPARTAN
- Ms. Fanservice: Like with her CO, Kai is shown naked in the SPARTAN barracks for a brief moment to show off her well-toned physique—and that she took out her hormonal pellet.
Same thing, the purpose of the nudity is not to titillate, arouse, or otherwise turn on the audience.
Third, there's Vinsher Grath, played by Burn Gorman
- Mr. Fanservice: He gets a scene in a bathhouse in Episode 4 showcasing his toned physique.
This is another one that I don't think qualifies, because as the scene did actually seem to be using the nudity for a purpose, but not fanservice. It was more so A: Vinsher could give secret orders to an assassin and B: to show how decadent he is now that he rules the planet-he's smoking a cigar in the bath as well, to showcase that he's living the high life.
Last but not least
- Ms. Fanservice: Makee gets to undress in the second episode, showing off her very attractive figure in the process (aside from some scarring).
There is, to be fair about a two-second shot of Makee's backside from a wide angle, but once again the nudity is being used to tell a story-namely, Makee is changing out of the clothes she wears when working for the Covenant (which she has presumably worn for decades) and into more human clothes. The scene also cuts to John explaining how he felt emotions for the first time in basically forever, to highlight that John and Makee are similar (both are becoming more human, so to speak, which gets brought up in later episodes), and in this case Makee spends a lot of time staring at her body, as if re-examining her limbs to understand that she is a human (as someone basically raised by aliens, she doesn't think of herself much as a human), so the nudity is, again, being used to tell a story.
So, I think the problem I have is these examples are operating under the idea that "nudity, for any reason at all=fanservice". Am I making too much of this, or should these examples maybe be removed? Obviously, anybody can be turned on by anything, and all of these characters are played by actors who are conventionally attractive, but given how attractive everybody is in tv/film, I figured there were some thresholds for Mr./Ms. Fanservice to avoid overuse and gushing.
For what it's worth, every single example was added by one troper, chris4449.
Edited by ArthurEldopen Main/Pilot Live Action TV
Are pages allowed to have two page quotes?? Because Pilot has two, not one
openEdit War on Agents of SHIELD recap Live Action TV
This troper https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=Peeve
has basically started an edit war (last 3 edits) about what he personally sees as 'objective', despite the matter being present as the typical 'AI gains consciousnes and overthrows her creator' on the show, with Aida doing a lot of things clearly out of spite and self-interest, not just 'following her programming' and several tropers besides me see it the same way, so just deleting it is not very productive.
openCould someone confirm the Scrappy entries on Murder, She Wrote? Live Action TV
Could someone confirm if the entries for Scrappies on Murder, She Wrote is true? The fandom for this show is very hard to find on the web.

Regarding an idiot ball edit . I removed it once as it seemed stated that Barry was stupid for refusing reveal his identity. Therefore due to his stupidity was unsympathetic. When a ) he gave valid and justified reasons why he wouldn't. The safety of his friends and family b ) various criminals have escaped before Killer Shark and Peekaboo so if they knew who he was his family would be targeted c ) As said to Iris he and the others would be constantly on the run and d) Noone in the Arrow verse has a publicly outed themselves for the same reason. Also it looks like another attempt to label Barry with a what an idiot or idiot ball trope for not revealing his identity. Despite those tropes were deleted for not applying to Barry's case. I have deleted it once. As has another troper. But it has returned either as unintentionally unsympathetic or what an idiot . The argument is the same that Barry is stupid for not revealing himself. However Barry made plain WHY. The same reason no one in the Arrow verse secret ID is public. Safety of friends and family.
Not only from Metas but everyday criminals he put away.
Not only that as a CI working for the Police any case worked and convicted could lead to hundreds of mistrials as Barry reveal as a vigilante could give grounds of conflict of interest. Basically the trope is calling him an idiot for not taking an action that could not be taken realistically
I want to remove the trope but that would be edit warring. Put it up for discussion but nothing.
Edited by Tuvok