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openSpoilers off for MCU? Film
Yesterday, PStriderFan went through Ant-Man and the Wasp and changed it to Spoilers Off; removing all spoiler tags and adding a "spoilers are unmarked" warning at the top. Was that officially decided on anywhere? Because it doesn't feel right to me. I wanted to check before I did anything — and honestly, if spoilers should be put back, then it'd be quicker to have a mod do a restore.
For the record, Avengers: Infinity War is also Spoilers Off, though I can understand that one given how spoiler-heavy the film is. I still figured I'd bring it up just in case.
open(Minor) Edit War - Captain Marvel (2019) Narm Film
This entry keeps getting taken out, then put back in by ajbit26 (Let me know if I'm not supposed to name them):
- Brie Larson's complete lack of a facial expression in much of the trailer has led to some rather unflattering comparisons to Bella Swan.
It's a misuse of narm, I'm pretty sure. And it's just unnecessary complaining. Thoughts?
openLaconic.AvengersEndgame Film
The Laconic.Avengers Endgame was deleted with reason "Works don't need laconic pages". If this is so - is someone going through each work and deleting them all? If not, Let's bring it back.
open Questionable edits Film
So... Tropers/Emberfist seems to have a fixation with YMMV.Blac Kk Klansman, specifically with the way its ending uses footage of the Charlottesville incident to draw parallels between the KKK in The '70s and (in their words) the Trump Administration in The New '10s —and how this falls under Anvilicious.
Normally, I wouldn't make a fuss, but:
- a. This is the Trump Administration we're talking about. I don't know if Americans realize it, but there's only two reactions when the name "Donald Trump" is mentioned: fervent patriotism or frothing rage. No middle ground. Hence, anything mentioning Trump should, IMHO, be hacked with a chainsaw.
- b. Emberfist added the example again a couple of weeks back (after removing it from Some Anvils Need to Be Dropped), only way more in-your-face. I removed it on the grounds that it showed political bias. I hoped they'd learn their lesson and drop it, but...
I snipped away at the most politically charged bits, but I'm still not comfortable with the result.
Anyway, other that this their edits to YMMV.Blac Kk Klansman were kosher; those examples under SANTBD were so bloated and non-ROCEJ that they needed an axe.
openWeird trope entry Film
Pokémon Detective Pikachu has a strange, semi-gushy entry on Revisiting the Roots that doesn't seem to fit any of the various cleanup threads, so I brought it here. It reads like it was written by someone dissatisfied with current Pokemon games or someone attempting to justify everything dark in the trailers with evidence from various Pokemon media, while the Detective Pikachu game itself doesn't really have any of that, and Pokemon media after Gen 1 have had those things even though in the franchise as a whole they're uncommon (Team Galactic killed a Clefairy and presumably a bunch of Magikarp, Ghetsis as mentioned tries to attack you directly, a couple Sun and Moon anime episodes were all about people and Pokemon that died, etc.).
"* Revisiting the Roots: The trailers may look out of place with the tone of the main-series games, but they're not too far removed from the anime, manga and games of the original generation, which feature gunsnote An episode of the anime involved the Safari Zone warden utilizing guns heavily, including holding Ash at gunpoint and shooting at Team Rocket, which led to 4Kids skipping over it entirely, profanitynote it's always been in the anime's Japanese dub, realistic violence in Pokémon battlesnote an infamous scene in the manga involves Blue's Charmeleon slicing an Arbok in half and disemboweling it, deathnote besides the aforementioned Arbok, the Lavender Town mission in the Kanto games involves a Mercy Kill on the spirit of a Marowak killed by Team Rocket, and villains using Pokémon to directly attack humans and human citiesnote unlike Mewtwo's destruction of his lab and the siege of Saffron City, non-Pokémon battle violence in the games is either offscreen or unanimated (with some major exceptions, like Ghetsis in Pokémon Black 2 and White 2)."
Any ideas as to what to do with it?
Edited by lalalei2001openSpoilers on Spoiler-Free pages Film
Can spoilers for one work be on a spoiler-free page for another work?
I ask this because YMMV.Avengers Endgame has an entry that spoils the newest episode of Game of Thrones (I don't watch GoT though, so I don't know how big of a spoiler it is).
openMan of Steel and its arguable Idiot Plot Film
Even after five years, the controversy around Man of Steel continues. Troper Dylanbk argued in the movie's YMMV page that the movie features an Idiot Plot because a) Zod needs the codex hidden in Superman's blood to rebuild the Kryptonian race, he is well aware that Superman spent his whole life on Earth too. What's does he tell him he plans to do when he gets the codex? use earth to rebuild krypton and wipe out the entire human race.
and b) On top of that there is no reason for Zod to have to rebuild Krypton on Earth, there are other planets in the Solar system that are uninhabited. On top of that, the world engine confirms this has no point.
I had to reverse his edits with these arguments: a) Zod and his minions are genetically engineered soldiers. They are bred to seek the most violent solutions to a problem. If there is a logic in their thinking, they are biologically compelled to ignore it.
b) This
What do you think?
resolved Informed Attractiveness Film
1) Why this trope isn't YMMV? 2) Where (if) I can start a project to turn this into YMMV?
openHow to spell Doctor Strange? Film
On Spider-Man: No Way Home, Endurable Grist changed all instances of "Doctor Strange" to "Dr. Strange", including one in the title of his intro movie which messed up the wikiword, hinting it was an automated search and replace.
Is this any way correct? I was under the impression that "Doctor Strange" is his superhero name, as displayed by movie titles, and thus should not be shortened (except maybe when the context speak about his pre-superhero persona).
openBra removal trick Film
I wonder if a page could be created listing out movies or TV shows where the actress takes off her bra onscreen without removing her top
openTroper with suspect edits Film
I was looking at Characters.Charlie And The Chocolate Factory The Four Bratty Kids and I noticed that maria765 had added
pictures depicted both film versions of Violet Beauregarde after their respective blueberry transformations. As no other post-transformation pictures for the bratty kids had been added and Violet's blueberry transformation is pretty popular in certain online fetish circles, it made me a bit wary, but I decided to check the edit history of the troper in question before I made any assumptions.
I have yet to find any evidence of this being a fetish-fueled edit, but I did find multiple
edits
with
grammatical
errors.
I've sent them a notifier for one of the edits, but I'm not sure what else to do since the issue seems rather pervasive; on top of that, I'm still not sure what to do about the images they added.
Edited by Storygirl000openYMMV.RogueOne Film
Tropers.Mea Jae 97 added a questionable example to YMMV.Rogue One that's a video link with a timestamp talking about a random person's view on the film. I know there's No Such Thing As Notability but it's....not notable. Their The Emoji Movie edits also have this issue, but I wasn't sure what edit issue it fell under since 'weblinks are not examples' isn't on the list.
"* Contested Sequel: It's another Star Wars film, what did you expect? A refreshing change of pace for focusing on how Muggles Do It Better, showing the brutality of the early Rebellion, going Black-and-Gray Morality, and addressing many of David Brin's and Chris Avellone's criticisms of the franchise, or franchise. Or is it a joyless slog with an underbaked cast of characters, some hamhanded attempts to shoehorn Oscar Bait tropes into a Star Wars film, and a Kill Em All ending that subverts the whole Muggles Do It Better concept so that the cast really are nothing more than Red Shirts? GeekyGlassesTV
claimed that the attempts to break away from Black-and-White Morality were indecisive and quickly forgotten.
"
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=MeaJae97
openWiseoung-5 Film
Wiseoung -5
added a Complete Monster entry to Maze Runner: The Death Cure. I removed the example leaving an edit reason explaining that Complete Monster entries need to be approved by the clean-up thread.
They have ignored this and re-added the example back.
openCharacter-Bashing Edit in Civil War YMMV Page Film
A few months ago I noticed a character stanning Tony rather intensely in the Captain America: Civil War page. Now I'm seeing edits bashing Natasha and Clint for what are honestly rather dubious reasons (very blatant case of Ron the Death Eater here). Should someone write them up a warning? They're also regularly adding to Avengers: Infinity War and its various subpages, which people are debating should be locked down in the meanwhile for the potential of spoilers.
openIs Indiana Jones a PinballProtagonist in Film
The Raiders of the Lost Ark main trope page has the Pinball Protagonist trope listed and I don't feel Indiana Jones is an accurate example.
This trope is about the hero being ineffective because they fail to be an agent of volition and instead are bounced around according to the whims of the plot. They're not active participants in the plot, they're simply dragged along in it's wake.
Indiana Jones consistently acts to obtain the Ark, however the story is one where each move he makes ends up being countered by the Nazis / Dr. Belloq in the spirit of the old-time pulp-adventure serials that inspired the movie.
Those stories were made up of episodes that constantly had the hero's actions thwarted by the villain and/or random events usually culminating in the episode's cliff-hanger. Only to pick up in the next episode with the hero triumphing over the latest threat/setback, on and on, back and forth, until the final triumph in the last episode.
The interplay of move/counter-move in "Raiders" does result in a near zero-sum game at the end, rendering the bulk of Jones' efforts ineffective, but it's not due to his lack of trying to affect the plot. He's essentially trapped by the story's format invoking the Failure Is the Only Option and You Can't Thwart Stage One tropes.
The example on the page even has a sub-bullet explaining how Word of God is on record rebutting Jone's apparent lack of impact on the story's events.
Thus I don't think Pinball Protagonist is appropriate for this film.
Edited by rva98014openNot sure about where information has been coming from for Avengers Infinity War. Film
- Lantern Jaw of Justice: Played with. He's a space tyrant with a god complex, but he still features a well defined jawline that you'd see on the various heroes to illustrate he's a Well-Intentioned Extremist meant to be a Foil to the good guys.
- Well-Intentioned Extremist: This version of Thanos is driven to stop what he believes will eventually become an apocalyptic Overpopulation Crisis. By using the Infinity Gauntlet to wipe half of intelligent life, he'll be saving the other half from using up their natural resources faster than those resources can be replenished.
- Freudian Excuse:
- The majority of his species died after an Overpopulation Crisis led them to use up all the natural resources on his homeworld of Titan. Thanos believes it's his duty to stop such a tragedy from ever happening again... even if it means wiping out half the universe to save the other half.
- He was also ostracized during his childhood due to his genetic deformity, which played a major role in shaping his personality.
- Adaptational Heroism: In the comics, Thanos is a Death worshiper who killed half the universe as an offering to his "love". In the MCU, Thanos is a true Well-Intentioned Extremist who believes killing trillions is a necessary evil to "save the universe from itself" and protect trillions more from resource wars, overpopulation, and permanent environmental damage to their own homes.
Where has this information been coming from? I have not found any sources for this anywhere other than this site. I'm tempted to say this might be fake, as the movie hasn't come out yet for starters.
openEntry in Pacific Rim Uprising's YMMV Film
This was added to the Harsher in Hindsight entry about Mako:
Though Amara does pass this test, and this movie does what the original didn't and passed the conventional Bechdel test, having several female characters talking to each other on the course of the movie with no conversation being about romance or girly stuff.
It seems to me like a Justifying Edit trying to downplay of one of the most recurring criticisms of the movie. While it's something that might be worth mentioning somewhere (not really sure where to move it), I think it shouldn't be part of the Harsher in Hindsight entry.
openJurassic Park/World character page Film
With the release of Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom coming up, and seeing that that its character page is split up in individual pages for each film, I propose splitting all the film pages into categories similar to other franchise pages, such as the Marvel Cinematic Universe and Star Wars character pages. Any other thoughts or objections...?
Edited by The10thGeekopenEdit war on Deadpool 2 Film
Editor nirao01 has re-added two examples on Deadpool 2 (that were removed earlier for being extremely iffy and stretching the tropes' definition) without going through discussion first.

Editor Artists Anomalous, on Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, has removed an All There in the Script example to meld it into All There in the Manual, with the edit reason "makes no sense to group additional info from the novelisation under two different tropes".
Problem is, I believe that's exactly what All There in the Script and All There in the Manual are supposed to be about. Can I get a confirmation before reverting this edit without being accused of edit-warring?