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Okay, major spoilers for The Legend of Korra. If you haven't seen the Grand Finale and think you might, just close the folder and move on.
Anyway, the series ended with Korra getting together with Asami, about as clearly as they could make a same-sex couple on Nickelodeon. The problem is, people keep adding that scene to the Ho Yay
page, when it was clearly intended by the creators to he very homoerotic from the getgo (thus Homoerotic Subtext, not Ho Yay). In fact, the example currently on there (I've deleted two different writeups and explained myself, but I don't want to delete another) specifically says it's "technically not an example."
I get the desire to put it on there, but given Ho Yay is chronically misused to mean "any gay stuff at all," I don't think it should be on the page. Also, I'd like to get a mod's okay to put a commented out notice not to mention the finale, since it's Homoerotic Subtext and not Ho Yay.
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ztkderp is going around demonizing Queen Elsa, be it ever so slightly. I apologize if I'm nitpicking, but as someone who sees Elsa as more tormented and frightened than evil, it's something that bothers me.
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Tropers/Gravanator9013 is getting a little too excited over the cancellation of Johnny test and the possibility that it might come back.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=AndTheFandomRejoiced.CartoonNetwork
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A question for anyone familiar with Rugrats:
The first paragraph for the trope The Complainer Is Always Wrong states:
Alice, Bob, and Carol are friends. Alice and Bob want to paint their clubhouse green. Carol thinks brown would be better. She goes to the paint store to buy brown paint to try and force the issue, but has trouble climbing the ladder with one hand and falls and spills paint everywhere and gets covered in it, and Alice and Bob say that this happened because Carol was so wrong to act alone.
Where would Rugrats character Chuckie fit here? It seems that the contrarian has to come into some misfortune because they refuse to budge or they try too hard to change the others' minds. Something has to happen to "prove" to the other characters that the complainer is wrong.
But that doesn't happen to Chuckie. Usually, the formula is the same:
- The Rugrats think of something to do that could get them hurt and/or in trouble
- Chuckie warns them that it's a bad idea
- The other characters ignore his warning and go on with the idea anyway, dragging Chuckie along (he usually doesn't put up much of a fight, perhaps because he's outnumbered at least 3-to-1 most times)
- The adventure takes a turn for the worse, just as Chuckie said it would
- Despite this, no one acknowledges that Chuckie was right, and subsequent episodes continue to follow the same pattern
Would this be an inversion of TCIAW? In this context, it appears that Chuckie (the complainer) is always right.
Edited by RayAP9openNo Title Western Animation
Another legend of Korra question:
SPOILERS!
Word of god confirms that they intended Korra and Asami to be a romantic couple and that both are bisexual. Does anything count as homoerotic subtext then if we have shiptease page that covers their relationship?
The creators talked about
how they had limitations on how much they could portray but that they also consider
that they clearly portrayed the two having romantic feelings.
Most of the fandom agreed but there still was evidently enough ambiguity for serious debate.
tldr: Is this shiptease or homoerotic subtext and are the two completely incompatible?
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I was wondering that if a character started out pretty goofy in the film (even if it's through a flashback), but as the film progresses, that character becomes more threatening and that caused a tonal shift in the movie, would that still count as Knight of Cerebus? I was referring to the change in the Mouse King from The Nutcracker Prince as he started out goofy, but his presence in the second half of the film made the film a bit darker due to the change in his personality.
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Hey, I noticed that The Pirates! In an Adventure with Scientists has something odd about scripting in the actual article. I can easily correct it but I'm just bringing it to admin attention.
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While it sounds like a generally harmless, Edutainment Show, it has gained periphery hatedom and been accused of Accidental Nightmare Fuel due to it's portrayal of the planes: for some reason, they have large, CGI human faces.
Is the presence of the phrase "periphery hatedom" the only reason why this was removed from Jay Jay the Jet Plane, or were there any other problems? The one who removed it didn't give a proper explanation. Or did he even need to? Just wondering.
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I found this link to an article
about the controversies of South Park and I was wondering if some of the reasons stated in this article would fit on the Unfortunate Implications page? The two examples on that page that I think would be worth mentioning on the page would be the Mohammed incident and the "Trapped in the Closet" episode.
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Is this example from Anastasia an example or not?
- Ominous Latin Chanting: During the prologue's recapitulation of the coup set off by the curse, the chorus is singing in Russian pretty ominously. It happens again in the finale during Rasputin's death scene.
Slava revolyutsii! Mnogo nas ubito
Legche zhalet' kakogo-to sytnogo, rasputnogo
Vsë naprasno - luchshe kostër!Slava revolyutsii! Mnogo nas ubito
(Ah...)
Nechego teryat'! Svoboda? Yesli by...
Vidit Bozhe, my idëm k novym mestam, ey...Slava revolyutsii! Mnogo nas ubito
Tekh, kogo na-na-naado. (nado)
Vo slavu revolyutsii!
Kto vyderzhit, tot skazhet: "Slava! Slava!"- Translation:
Glory to the revolution! Many of us have been killed.
It’s easier to take pity on the rich and depraved,
But all is in vain, so flames are better!Glory to the revolution! Many of us have been killed.
(Ah...)
We have nothing to lose! Freedom? If only...
God looks on, as we head to new places.Glory to the revolution! Many of us have been killed,
Those whose deaths were necessary.
Onward to revolutionary glory!
Those who remain will say: “Glory! Glory!”
I am of the professional opinion that if it's not Latin, then it's Not An Example, but I want to get the community's input on the matter, and see if it's a valid example after all.
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From YMMV.Quest For Camelot:
The soundtrack (particularly "The Prayer", and to a lesser extent, "Looking Through Your Eyes") has managed to outlive the movie it was created for, never mind that most of the songs don't seem to particularly fit in with the overall narrative and were added as an afterthought when the plans changed from a more faithful rendition to a Lighter and Softer musical adaptation. Also, having singers like Céline Dion and The Corrs helped.
Is this a good way to rewrite the Awesome Music example without coming across as too negative?
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I have two questions to ask:
1. If you are doing a Defied Trope on the Unfortunate Implications page, then does that mean that the situation that would have come off as being offensive to the audience was changed to make it better for the audience? And would adding the Smurfs example about them changing the story line from the Black Smurfs in the comics to the Purple Smurfs in the animated series be an example of a defied trope for Unfortunate Implications?
2. Would the character Flippy in Happy Tree Friends be a good example of a Knight of Cerebus character since he is the only Happy Tree Friend character who murders other characters and has a dark back story about being in the war that is not normally approached in this type of show?
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Creator.Shout Factory lists all the Transformers cartoons in alphabetical order, but the My Little Pony cartoons in chronological order. Which one makes more sense?
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I just need to be absolutely sure about this. Is there a trope where a character attempts to justify their actions by claiming it's "what they do" or as one of their quirks? And is this trope already applied to Princess Bubblegum's page, or on the Recap page for The Cooler? I ask because I think that the phrase "I'm PB, I spy on everyone. It's what I do." qualifies her for this trope, even if she's attempting to fix that problem.
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I'm sure someone's on this already, but just for good measure: subtle hints
that this may be a ban evader.
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SeasonalRot.Western Animation and YMMV.Recess state that one of the reasons fans dislike the last season of Recess concerns the disappearance of "two Ensemble Darkhorses". However, I haven't seen the show recently enough to remember which two characters this would refer to. Anyone else know?
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https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/HilariousInHindsight/MyLittlePony
I feel like a lot of this stuff is just coincidence/reaching too hard, especially stuff like "In Digimon Adventure, Matt's Crest was "Friendship" and his partner had the most powerful evolutions if you count Omnimon as one of his evolutions." and "Then in Digimon Adventure 02, the Crest of Kindness was introduced."
These are basic concepts of morality, not PONIES PONIES PONIES XD; And previous series had friendship and kindness as big plot elements too!
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In the trope list on Recap.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic S 1 E 2 Elements Of Harmony, Mike Rosoft hid the name of the trope Take My Hand! in a pothole ("Take My Hoof") after I already removed it once. I'm just mentioning it here because I don't want to start an Edit War.
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Not sure if Edge of Despair
is a sock of Witch Of The Absolute and Roxanne Of Love And Hate, but even if they're someone else with the same Turbo obsession, they gots to go.
EDIT: Well, they're definitely PinkHairedTyrant
. And WOTA, same hangups on Beauty Is Bad and checking up on Ho Yay.Ben10, which Witch made. Subtlety... not their strong suit.
EDIT EDIT: Reverted their edit on YMMV.Wreck It Ralph twice now. If they make it again, I'm going to sit back and let a mod handle it since I don't want to be accused of edit-warring.
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Two tropes from Teen Titans, one of which has an indentation issue and the other I can't tell how it's really played, if not as a subversion:
There's also a recurring issue with extra spaces at the end of lines on some of the pages I've been cleaning up recently, including this page.
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