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openWhat's the difference between Awesome But Impractical and Power-Up Letdown? Videogame
What's the difference between Awesome, but Impractical and Power-Up Letdown?
On the Laconic entry, they seem to be very similar.
Edited by lenne18openEdit War Videogame
Apocrypha added an example of They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot to YMMV.The Elder Scrolls V Skyrim. Zaptech removed it, saying it's an invalid example. Apocrypha then added it back, starting an Edit War.
openEnsemble Darkhorses in Super Mario 3D World Videogame
The YMMV page for Super Mario 3D World describes the following as Ensemble Darkhorses:
- Bowser's Cool Car. After its appearance, fans have started clamoring for it to appear in Mario Kart.
- Plessie, due to their fairly cute design and Yoshi-like appearance.
- Motley Bossblob, likely due to his resemblance to the fan-favorite Koopalings, and his cool concept.
- Pom Pom was already well-liked as a Cute Monster Girl in 3D Land, but the introduction of her now-iconic Ninja abilities here only helped her reputation.
- Meowser is well liked for the awesome design and the novelty of Bowser actually using Mario's power-ups against him. The concept is also quite Popular with Furries, for obvious reasons. Is it any wonder they put him in Super Mario Maker 2?
I previously deleted these entries because I disagreed with them but tropineasily added them back. I deleted them because Ensemble Dark Horse is a minor character that becomes unexpectedly popular despite doing little in the main narrative. The car is an inanimate object, Plessie is a character that helps in a few levels (supporting character at best), while Pom Pom and Meowser are bosses that the heroes must defeat in order to advance the storyline. Tropineasily added them back because, apparently the removal was unnecessary, and those entries are still valid. What do you think?
openWall of text on Ubisoft page Videogame
So someone dropped a huge wall of text on Ubisoft a few months back —
This system has its benefits and its drawbacks - on the plus side, it allows Ubisoft to put out massive, reasonably polished games on a regular schedule, and generally means that, while certainly not immune to the Troubled Production curse, most of their games tend to have a fairly smooth development cycle compared to what publishers like Electronic Arts and Activision frequently deal with. On the downside, it means that Ubisoft's games are frequently criticised for being Strictly Formula open-world games filled with busywork and a few specific types of side-quests. It also means that the credits roll on their games tend to be extremely long - even smaller games like Rayman Legends can have their credits reach 20 minutes in length.
Ubisoft has also gained a reputation for being about as watertight as a ship that's halfway to the ocean floor - by the time Ubisoft gets around to officially announcing a game, it's more likely than not that a name, a description, official artwork, a trailer, and possibly gameplay footage are all floating around on the internet. It got to the point that the publisher's own Watch_Dogs 2 parodied this reputation by having a mission where the player hacks into Ubisoft San Francisco's offices to steal footage of a game trailer
and sell it to gaming websites. And if that wasn't meta enough, cue gaming journalists in the real world
reporting that the game in question was real, was called Pioneer, and was facing severe development problems.
The publisher has had a, shall we say, troubled history when it comes to PC gaming. Although their games generally come to the platform, coming a few weeks late at most, the ports are frequently...questionable, often being bogged down by Digital Rights Management (including a highly controversial always-online requirement in several games, such as Assassin's Creed II and Driver: San Francisco), poor optimisation, and being forced to run games through the fairly shoddy uPlay client, even when bought on other storefronts.
In recent years, Ubisoft has seen a pivot towards the (fairly nebulous) concept of "Games-as-a-service", which moves away from putting out numerous sequels to a game and more towards keeping one game updated over time and selling Downloadable Content and microtransactions for it. This model can be seen being used in games like Rainbow Six Siege, For Honor, and The Division series, and elements of the model have seen their way made into the Assassins Creed and Far Cry series.
When it comes to any kind of new technology or market in the gaming sector, Ubisoft almost always dives in head-first - whether it's Nintendo putting out a console that comes with a tablet, Google announcing a service for streaming video games, or Oculus announcing a virtual reality headset that actually works, expect Ubisoft to be one of the big promoted names that's heavily supporting it. That said, don't always expect them to fully stick with it, as was infamously shown when Rayman Legends was turned into a multi-platform release after initially intended to be a Wii U exclusive.
Despite the Legends controversy, Ubisoft has maintained a strong relationship with Nintendo. Not only has Rayman appeared in Super Smash Bros. as a trophy/spirit, but Ubisoft developed their own Super Mario Bros game - namely, Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle, a crossover with the Raving Rabbids franchise. The game was announced (after being leaked months prior, per Ubisoft tradition) with Shigeru Miyamoto coming out on stage at Ubisoft's E3 press conference. A year later, Starlink: Battle for Atlas would contain a myriad of Star Fox bonus content within the Nintendo Switch version.
In 2016, French mega-corporation Vivendi attempted a hostile takeover of Ubisoft by attempting to buy as much of its shares as possible. Despite many gaming pundits and analysts viewing the takeover as inevitable, in 2018 Ubisoft successfully fought it off, partly thanks to making smarter business decisions in the process and partly thanks to seeking out other investors, such as Tencent and the Ontario Teachers' Pension Plan. (Yes, really.
)
Ubisoft remains a fairly divisive publisher - their Strictly Formula game design, troubled relationship with the PC market, aggressive in-game monetisation, frequent always online-requirements, and overuse of the word "iconic" have all gathered them their fair share of detractors. (A rough patch early on in the eighth-console generation, where their games frequently launched in Obvious Beta status and with major visual downgrades from pre-release footage, didn't help.) Still, said open-world game design has plenty of fans, people appreciate the heavy amounts of post-launch support and content they give even their older games, and they generally give off the impression of being one of the better-run and better managed AAA publishers out there.
Feels like too much was added on, and some of it is thinly-veiled Ubisoft sniping, but other parts seem okay. How much of it should go?
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
openDual Boss vs Wolfpack Boss Videogame
Here is the question: in the case of three enemies that together serve as the boss, is it a Dual Boss or Wolfpack Boss? Dual Boss says it is for two enemies working together as a boss, but Tropes Are Flexible. Meanwhile, Wolfpack Boss also looks like a good fit, but it looks like there must be at least four enemies to qualify.
So what is the threshold between the two? Where do three enemies that fight together as a boss stand?
openThree more likely misplaced entries Videogame
So, while I was doing some more clean-up of the VideoGame section of the wiki, I came across the following:
I believe that the third is clearly Useful Notes, and the second one is likely too. I am unsure on whether the first one even warrants keeping.
Edited by NTC3openPage for ''BlooM'', a ''Doom'' mod Videogame
A team is working on a Doom and Blood crossover, called BlooM. There's a trailer
, official advertising
, and the plot of the game has been substantially described. There's no release date for the complete version, but a shareware version was already released on Halloween, featuring six levels. I'm creating a sandbox on my PC, and I already found more than a dozens of tropes (strictly based on the shareware version indeed, so they're not speculative) for it. Do I have to follow the rules of Creating a Work Page for an Upcoming Work, or may I treat it just as a released work?
openPossible edit wars Videogame
Characters.Super Mario Bros Bowser has had a couple entries added by some tropers and then deleted by others, and the history page
has some shoehorned examples as well as speculation. I feel like edit wars may happen soon, if not already.
openCustom Title misuse Videogame
Okay, I'm perplexed... the page for the fangame VideoGame.Fredbear And Friends has a custom title that turns it to "Fazbear and Friends". This is a misuse of the system; the work page itself seems to confirm the title is Fazbear and Friends, so I don't know why it was put in a different Wiki Word in the first place.
Before moving it, though, I noticed the page has lots of wicks, and there's also a WebAnimation.Fazbear And Friends page already existing.
Anybody has an idea how this situation came to be?
openTrope Page for a game called "Rogue State" Videogame
Can someone do a trope page for a game called "Rogue State" by Little Red Dog Games? It was released around 2015 and no one has done a trope page on it. Thank you!
Link: https://store.steampowered.com/app/396090/Rogue_State/
openUndertale cleanup page Videogame
I want to discuss something that's about a general cleanup page for potentially every Undertale page. Specifically, I want to remove lines in articles where the tropers themselves refer the players who do the Genocide route a Complete Monster, or something similar to that, without it being an example of when the game itself is trying to make the player feel like a Complete Monster.
openRegarding the creation of work pages for works with optional NSFW contents Videogame
Hello, I have a thought of creating a work page for the indie game Kaede the Eliminator sold on Steam, while it's a legitimate zombie survival Third Person Shooter with solid gameplay, exploration, backstory and sandboxes, it also happens to be an Eroge. While the sexual contents are completely optional (you have to go out of your way to install patches for them) and the game is fully functional without them, I'm still in doubt whether the game fits by TV Tropes.
Here's the link to the Steam store:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1122040/Kaede_the_Eliminator__Eliminator/
(WARNING: Borderline NSFW Content)
Is the game in question too NSFW by TV Tropes standard? Also, when it comes to making work pages for Eroges, is there anything I should take caution before troping and launching the pages?
Thanks.
openRegarding restoring a cut WMG page Videogame
Persona 5 Scramble: The Phantom Strikers had a WMG page under Persona 5 Scramble that had a lot of entries before it was cut along with the main page because the main page was a stub. Since the main Scramble page was restored, is it possible to restore the WMGs from the old page to the new WMG page?
openUnapproved edits. Videogame
Sky here. JEM 12901 has been making unapproved edits to Irons' Complete Monster entry on YMMV.Resident Evil 2 Remake, and has not responded to past notifiers about unapproved entries/edits. Could someone, preferably a moderator, please revert the entry to it's original state, or at the very least, whatever state it is at Monster.Resident Evil?
Edit: His edits on YMMV.X Men First Class removed specific details related to Shaw's involvement in the Holocaust in a Catharsis Factor entry, which is also worrisome. He also was responsible for a now removed unapproved entry on YMMV.Spider Man PS 4.
Edited by SkyCat32openCapcom vs. Everyone? Videogame
Capcom vs. is nominally about the series of video games, but it lists and explains every single instance where Capcom characters have crossed over with anyone. Including a lawsuit, which isn't even an actual crossover. This can't be kosher, right?
Edited by DragonRangeropenCan Complete Monsters have the Go Karting With Bowser trope? Videogame
Recently in Mario Kart Tour, Luigi's Mansion's King Boo is going to be added to Mario Kart Tour. It's stated that LM King Boo is a Complete Monster (unless LM 3 goes a different route) and since G Kw B is a friendly trope, doesn't this take him out of Complete Monster territory?
openIs this spoiler warning too subtle? Videogame
Doki Doki Literature Club! has a warning that the page is Spoilers Off due to the nature of the game, but the warning is buried towards the end of the description and is very easy to miss. Should it be moved to the top of the page as a header?

I noticed there were non-video game examples in Catharsis Factor, Despite the decription saying it's about the things you do, not the things you see that are stress relieving. Most of the non-video game examples fall into Take That, Scrappy! or gushing about a Hate Sink or Asshole Victim being punished. Like this:
- Starlight Glimmer bluntly telling Pinkie Pie she was solely at fault for her sister Maud leaving Ponyville for Ghastly Gorge. What would otherwise be Innocently Insensitive is extremely satisfying to see considering how many times Pinkie had acted insufferably to others at times, especially to Cranky Doodle, Fluttershy, and Princess Luna in their respective episodes without actual consequence.
Edited by PlasmaPower