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openIdea for the Subway Surfers characters page Videogame
Hi, everyone! I was doing some editing for Characters.Subway Surfers and I realized that the "limited charcaters" folder is getting really long and disorganized, and so I had an idea on how to fix it. I was thinking of starting a new section for limited characters and having folders based on what year they were introduced. If we wanted to shorten each folder even more, we could sort them based on how they're unlocked. How does this sound? Thanks in advance.
resolved Sandbox/Tchia Videogame
Dear All, I wanted to add some tropes to a video game I'm currently playing, Tchia. The video game page for it was deleted with the message "Note: This page was cut for reason: After removing a "trope" that isn't actually a trope, the page is now a stub(...) You may want to ask in Ask The Tropers about whether it's safe to recreate."
However, there is a sandbox page available which actually contains around ten tropes (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Sandbox/Tchia)
, so I don't really understand what's happening here. Is this just a mistake? Can the sandbox page be taken over to be the main works page again?
resolved Johnny Nero Action Hero image not loading Videogame
I looked at the Johnny Nero Action Hero page to discover the image does not load. I tried to access the image directly but only got this text.
AccessDeniedAccess DeniedZ7HB064602D9W4CR5nALFwelvlBTfW+Iz9KyTwjSUqOGm1PlSf7fGrSwqirnCOHUUQ5LATRxaqmHrNR62ftYx8aJ12FIhiwsFGDOqtiuf7VSI8Cf
Edited by JustaUsername
resolved Monster Chef Videogame
So I'm writing the page for Monster Chef, a game by Coconut Island Studio. I haven't actually finish the game (still a long way), but here is the current page:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Sandbox/MonsterChef
As you can see, I haven't found a big enough image for the page yet. Also, as it turns out, there is another "Monster Chef" game by studiopizza
. Is case someone made the other Monster Chef page, is there anyway to distinguish between the two?
openFridge Logic moved to Headscratchers? Videogame
Fridge.Yu Gi Oh Reshef Of Destruction had a small Fridge Logic entry for a while that was just moved to Headscratchers.Yu Gi Oh Reshef Of Destruction, saying it was in the wrong namespace.
Is all Fridge Logic being moved now or can it be put where it was?
Edited by lalalei2001openMukuro Ikusaba apologia Videogame
MisaimedFandom.Danganronpa has this example in the Trigger Happy Havoc folder that seems to be Draco in Leather Pants for Mukuro Ikusaba.
- Mukuro is stated by fans to be anything besides an Anti-Villain on some occasions, since she was Junko's accomplice. This dismisses that, while Mukuro is Junko's accomplice, she does not share Junko's ideals and has the ability to care about people as people instead of pawns, as Junko is a legitimate psychopath whose behavior is Obviously Evil; her sister does not share this mindset, and this is in fact part of the reason that Junko takes advantage of her and has her killed off in Chapter 1 at all. On the Villains Wiki for Fandom Wikia
, it is notable that Mukuro is labelled as a "Near Pure Evil", which not only misses the point that she's an Extreme Doormat to Junko, but also completely misses her true ideals and goals and puts her in the same category as Junko, who is definitively depicted as The Sociopath, and completely vilifies her. As well as this, Mukuro is a scapegoat like all of Junko's other victims. Junko is clearly incapable of caring for anyone else, so the only reason she has Mukuro around as an assistant is because she's too naive to see what Junko actually is. This allows her to shift the blame onto Mukuro, and unfortunately, anyone who states that Junko and Mukuro think the same miss that part completely.
While Mukuro may be an Extreme Doormat for Junko, she also has an extreme Lack of Empathy for anyone else, and does atrocious acts for her sister like lobotomizing Chisa in Danganronpa 3 and massacring Giboura Junior High in the backstory of Killer Killer. Mukuro is only portrayed sympathetically in the non-canon Danganronpa IF, where she survives her sister's attempt to kill her and pulls a Heel–Face Turn. The mention of the Villains Wiki is unnecessary and looks like a red flag for someone trying to undeservedly defend Mukuro to me.
Additionally, siramay (who did not add the Misaimed Fandom example) made an edit
on Danganronpa 3: Despair Arc that seems to downplay her Lack of Empathy and remove any implication that she's attracted to her sister.
resolved About kkj12345... (again) Videogame
The troper kkj12345 was just unsuspended 4 days ago, and is already back to his usual complaining problems. Here's what I'm talking about.
1. He's still got a Single-Issue Wonk problem about Hot Shot being a smut book, over an actual sports focused book.
2. He's even gone as far to bait other people on the Choices wiki into answering that Book 2 would follow Book 1's footsteps, accuse them of being a downer when they agreed, and got angry at UFOYeah/Overloadxyz for calling him out on that.
^
(Source:https://choices-stories-you-play.fandom.com/f/p/4400000000001469521/r/4400000000008027273)
3. He also try to fear-monger the users on Choices wiki to believe that All of Us was going to be the last Choices book ever, just because it was about LGBTQIA+ representation.
So what this shows us is kkj12345/General Khor has not changed his ways at all, right?
Edited by Ryckmanhresolved Cutting Oddity RPG pages Videogame
Folks, it's time to face facts: Oddity is never coming out. It's been five years since the initial announcement trailer with no major updates afterwards, over 17 years since the project started development as Mother 4, and the hype for this game has all but dried up. Since all of the Mother 4 pre-release material has been made obsolete and mostly deleted from the internet, we only have one trailer and a Twitter page that is barely updated to go off of.
When I did a second clean-up (the first clean-up was mostly to remove gushing) removing anything that went off of outdated (pre-rebrand) material or Word of God (which isn't allowed), there was barely anything left. On the Characters page alone, many of the folders were blank and that was before I touched them.
Also worth noting that there were a ton of commented out examples on the Characters page which I removed (there were also a bunch on the main page too before I cut those during my first clean-up). Commenting out examples on an unreleased work in anticipation for the work's release is also not allowed.
Yes, there is gameplay footage in the trailer but it barely tells us anything other than "it's a Mother-inspired RPG." Not much of a premise, and certainly not enough to warrant a page, especially when no information regarding the story, setting, and characters have been revealed afterwards. Literally the only information we have about the setting is "It takes place in a small town in 70s America." There are ten tropes on the main page but half of them are about the Modern Mind enemy instead of the game itself or the overall setting of the game. There's no release date, and at this rate there never will be.
Taking all of this into account I feel there is no longer a viable work page. I propose a cut of Oddity's pages and the material in Oddity's main page be moved to Release Date-Less Work Descriptions in the event the game does get a release.
Edited by supernintendo128openTropes used to be valid before, but not anymore... What to do? Videogame
In live-service games or those that keep on receiving updates. What should be done when an example that used to be valid or was applied in an older version suddenly got removed in a newer version?
- Keep the example but rewrite the context to state that it used to be the case until Version X removed it?
- Delete the entire trope example?
- When the game was newly-released, there was some fandom discussion on how Childe's name is supposed to be pronounced, because a very specific clip
from Paimon's English VA had the name pronounced like "child" at first, then like "chill-day" next, in the same sentence. I originally added it somewhere
as a trope example, but another troper deleted it
saying it was fixed in a newer version.
- A troper deleted some examples
from YMMV.Genshin Impact without providing an edit reason, though what can be assumed here is that they deleted examples that no longer applied to the newer versions of the game. One of the deleted examples was a Cheese Strategy that was so prevalent or known back in the day, it was widely believed that "miHoYo had to patch it out". The point here is that the cheese strat existed in the past and players were trying to re-create it
before and after it was patched. There were even discussions wondering why the boss arena's ceiling suddenly changed, and fingers were either pointed to this cheese strat with Guoba, another cheese strat with Klee, or it was a semi-related bug with the hole itself.
- Cheese Strategy: The Cryo Regisvine could be safely cheesed by using Xiangling to drop Goubas from a cliff directly above the arena, allowing players to chip off its HP even before it wakes up. The devs eventually caught on to the trick and patched it out in Version 1.1.
Other Genshin tropers brought this up too years ago in the Discussion tab
I'd like to know if there's a guideline for these kinds of examples here on TV Tropes, because there are several other live service games I know of here with trope examples that are "outdated" or "no longer applies in the newer version".
"Blind Idiot" Translation and Good Bad Translation examples also have this dilemma sometimes, as it's common for live-service game devs to fix translation/localization errors when pointed out by players in the game's online platforms.
Edited by DanteVinresolved Undoing Formatting Errors Videogame
In Memes.Goddess Of Victory Nikke, Adams 23 changed the formatting of the page
, making it look broken on the page proper (probably caused by issues with the "Review Changes" button). While I'd like to revert and fix them, a problem is that I created the Memes.Goddess Of Victory Nikke page, so I'm afraid that I might create an edit war. I've heard that the edit war rules don't apply to edits that reinforce the rules and quality standards, so I wonder if undoing broken formatting is valid to that exception as well.
resolved Sayacha's Questionable edit under FF7 Rebirth YMMV Videogame
Reporting an agenda-based troper. They deleted this entry
under Epileptic Trees without giving a valid reason why, even though it's a harmless theory and within the boundaries of what Epileptic Trees can be as far as I'm aware. I can only think it's because of biased shipping agenda on their part. Months ago, they even made sweeping changes
under Ship to Ship Combat to be heavily biased toward the Cloud and Tifa pairing, which I reported earlier.
Edit: Troper finally responded and apologized for their actions in private messages. Locking the matter as resolved.
Edited by 9thOutworldsManopenRunescape Character Page Videogame
So I'd like to try and create a page includes the Player Character and associated characters (Characters/entities whose sole existence in the game revolves around the player.), such as pets, familiars, sentient items, POH (Player Owned Home) character, etc.. Unfortunately I was told that I can't do that because the player character would need to be 250,000 characters in length. The thing though is that this page would not just be for the player character; though they would obviously be the main part of this page, which from what I understand is me simply making "splitting pages into further groups" as mentioned in Character-Specific Pages, which is encouraged.
I also now question the true reasons for this initial push back since the sole person who told me not to also appears to have created the original folder on the Runescape character page.
resolved Quotes page contains full song lyrics Videogame
The quotes page
for NiGHTS into Dreams… contains the entirety of its theme song, "Dreams Dreams". I'm pretty certain having full lyrics from a song isn't kosher here, even if the song originates from a game, plus it's the only thing on the page. Should I go ahead and send it to the shredder?
openHollywood animal Videogame
The troper Silverblade 2 deleted every tropes from the Hollywood Animal page, citing the rules against speculative troping, despite everything coming from actual gameplay footage, which were present in the trailers that were linked to on the page
Edited by Dood95openEdit war and unilateral alteration of The Golden Age of Video Games Videogame
On December 15, ~Jagger made a series of unilateral definition-changing edits to The Golden Age of Video Games (starting here
). I brought it up to the relevant forum on Platform/ and MediaNotes/ pages
, even pinging the user to invite them to make their case. Of course, with the edit being unilateral and not being discussed beforehand, those edits have all been reverted. Instead of engaging the thread or ATT and making their case, they reapplied the unilateral changes
. I believe this constitutes an edit war.
openSuper Cat Tales Videogame
I want to create something for the Super Cat Tales series. Thing is, I don't know if I should make separate pages for the three entries (Super Cat Tales, Super Cat Tales 2 and Super Cat Tales: PAWS) or just add all of the games in a single page. They obviously do have their differences (with SCT2 and PAWS being more lore-driven than the 1st SCT, the latter having limited helpers while the other 2 having permanent objects/helpers once you buy them and needing them as requirements to progress throughout the game, etc.), but they also share so many similarities like enemies, songs, mechanics and more.
Edited by UzarNaimBer15openDoes Marikin Online not have a page or am I blind? Videogame
I feel like the game series would already have a page, considering its popularity with English speakers despite the lack of an official English translation.
But when I search for Marikin online, I don't get a result mentioning the game anywhere on the wiki!
This post is kinda dumb, but I want other tropers confirmation on this just to be sure.
openMass deletion on Fridge/GrandTheftAutoV Videogame
I was checking Fridge.Grand Theft Auto V today and discovered that a large portion of content that I saw (and contributed to) some time ago was removed. I checked history and saw that the content was removed by ~Clear Air Turbulence over the course
of
four
edits
with the edit reason being it was mostly WMG or headcanon. The thing is that not everything looks like headcanon or WMG. I also couldn't find any discussion of this removal prior to the edits, so this all might have been unilateral.
resolved How to AKA character pages / make a universal character page Videogame
Making two media pages in the same franchise, which shares similar casts, and would like there to be one character page that links to them both.
Similar accomplished with the https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/Warhammer40000SpaceMarine
page, with Space Marine II linking to it via "AKA", but I've never had to do this myself until now. Like to know what page contains instructions to accomplish this.

In Characters.Dream Daddy, can the Cult Ending-exclusive character profiles be uncommented since the latest update made it accessible by customizing the Dadsona in a certain way? The devs still said that it's non-canon, however.