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openEdit war and possesiveness of Nikke articles Videogame
Troper True Shadow 97 has has engaged in edit war over people changing edits they have made on entries about the player character of video game Goddess of Victory: NIKKE.
They have left comments in the articles that clearly show they feel possesive over the way the player character is presented.
The first time I noticed this was with this edit:
I removed a note thar tried to argue the canonicty of the entry.
They sent me several pm arguing about whether the side events are canon or not, they finally rewrote the entry here.
Did not contend because my main problem was with the note added and I can see the argument from Rapi's POV.
The second problem came when they added yet another note to downplay /argue against one of the entries on the Really Gets Around entry on the protagonist (Nikke is a harem gacha, so the protagonist gets physically intimate with SOME of the girls in the side stories).
I removed this comment because I felt it was not only unnecessary, but wrong as the developers don't really make a distinction between main story and side stories, everything is considered canon.
They reverted the entry and added a new comment justifying itself here.
At this poit I felt the troper clearly has a wonk over the harem aspect of the game and is possesive of entries that downplay Rapi's position as the canon love interest (it is a sentiment I've seen expressed elsewhere on reddit and twitter, where people take issue with the Commander having intimate relationships with other characters, so they argue that these instances are not really valid because they never happen in the main story).
I made a previous ask the tropers entry that goes into more detail here. Never took any action because I got no feedback on it.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=145452&type=att
Their last edit remained unchanged for months until some weeks ago when user dinur7.
This came along with a change in the description of the protagonist that to note them as a player avatar.
True Shadow 97 then reverts both changes to how they were before, including the Really Gets Around entry that waa already edited by them, and adds yet another comment justifying their reversion besdies the one they added when they reverted my change.
The hidden comments in question.
"Commander is mentioned as being popular with many Nikkes in the main story using various phrasings, but the Downplayed part of the entry remains factually accurate: none of the events that are relevant to the Campaign Story as of Chapter 42, such as Dirty Backyard or D.ARK HERO involve him getting hot and heavy with anyone."
"The clarification in the following entry was previously removed as "unnecessary" on the grounds of an increasing amount of events getting interconnected and some of them being canonized by the main story, such as Helm's bond story. Clarification rephrased for improved relevance and restored on the grounds of many players believing that any of Commander's romantic or sexual escapades are canon to said main story (which is possible, but hasn't been established yet, while Mihara and Yuni's bond stories are explicitly non-canon due to directly contradicting the events of Chapter 4) and none of the events that have been explicitly canonized (such as Dirty Backyard) feature Commander entering relationships with anyone."
His argument that Dirty Backyard doesn't support the Commander being in other relationships is factually wrong, its part of a chain of side stories that have the commander involved directly with three of the nikke involved in the ongoing plot.
Edited by MrSeykeropenEdit War?
So, um here's something weird. The following happened, in March, Lilybelle changed
an entry from this:
- In Wish, despite the fact the movie tries to make him seem narcissistic, Magnifico's reasons as to not grant certain wishes are seen as logical and help make sure his kingdom doesn't lose stability. Though him giving false hope in the process may be dubious.
To this:
- In Wish, despite the movie trying to make him seem like a narcissistic monster from the beginning, King Magnifico's reasoning for not granting vague wishes that could destabilize his kingdom — i.e. Asha's grandfather wants to "inspire future generations" but Magnifico can't scry what they will be inspired to do — is logical enough, especially given his backstory (he lost his family and homeland to brigands and became a Self-Made Man, and not wanting to lose what he's built with Rosas he's become a Control Freak). Though him giving false hope in the process (by not just returning ungranted wishes and the memories thereof) may be dubious, he's not a power-hungry Sorcerous Overlord who needs to be defeated until after he goes Jumping Off the Slippery Slope due to Asha's subsequent actions.
I thought it was too focused on downplaying his evil and blaming Asha or trying to argue that she was in the wrong (plus stuff like his backstory is not relevent to him having a point on not granting wishes), so I restored the old one
.
Then Lilybelle changed it to this
without discussing it anywhere:
- In Wish, King Magnifico's reasoning as to why he won't grant certain wishes and won't return them to their makers to try achieving on their own (which they cannot do without the wish itself, owing to Laser-Guided Amnesia) is because vague ones such as "to inspire future generations [through music]" could lead to terrible things ("...inspire what?"). The thought of losing his control over the multicultural, peaceful, near-utopia of Rosas, which he established from the ground up after losing his family and home to bandits as a youth, underpins his self-serving but logical actions in the present. Asha's argument against this is that he's giving the residents false hope — everyone knows not every wish will be granted, just not why — that she's sure everybody in the kingdom is inherently good, and that Magnifico could just fix things if they do go wrong. The script has him Jumping Off the Slippery Slope from sometimes-petty monarch to narcissistic would-be Sorcerous Overlord to justify everybody else turning against him.
Which is so similar that I am unsure if this counts as an edit war. It should be noted that Lilybelle has had issues
with edit warring in regard to Wish before as well.
resolved Is the Classic Disney Shorts Characters page locked? Western Animation
I was just trying to add some tropes to the Characters page for Classic Disney Shorts, specifically to the folder for the one-shot character Joey the Kangaroo, but whenever I try to save my changes, I'm instead booted to this website's main page. I double-checked my messages, but I don't see any messages about being banned, I'm signed in, so I don't know what's wrong. Is this page under protection, perhaps?
If it helps, this was the rewritten entry I was trying to save:
A baby kangaroo that Donald decides to adopt as his son for some reason.
- Aw, Look! They Really Do Love Each Other: While Joey gets thoroughly into trouble, and ends up putting Donald through the ringer, the short emphasizes that he's not malicious, but just an energetic and mischievous little kid. In fact he cares about Donald a great deal, and he showers Donald with affection at several points. And then there's the climax of the episode, where he thinks Donald has been eaten by a bear, and he goes berserk in his efforts to rescue him..
- Badass Adorable: An adorable infant kangaroo... whose reaction to seeing his adoptive father Donald seemingly be eaten by a full-grown black bear is to beat seven shades of snot out of it to save him.
- Batter Up!: After the initial jab with a red-hot fire poker and a thorough drubbing with his kicks, Joey grabs a handy baseball bat and chases the "bear" around the house with it.
- Badly Battered Babysitter: The central point of comedy of his short is that he's rambunctious and a lot stronger than Donald anticipated, so Donald ends up being run off of his feet. And that's before Donald makes the poorly judged decision to play a joke on Joey by pretending that his bearskin rug is not only a real bear, but one that manages to eat Donald.
- Boxing Kangaroo: He's only an infant kangaroo, but he's already a skilled pugilist, as shown when he attacks the "bear" (really Donald inside of a bearskin rug).
- Hates Baths: At one point in "Daddy Duck", Donald attempts to give Joey a bath, and he is not thrilled at the prospect, using his feet and his tail to brace himself so he can't be forced into the water. It is subtly implied that Joey's refusal stems from the fact the water is too cold, as he's shown dipping his own elbow into it in imitation of Donald and then shuddering in disgust.
resolved Possible Suspension Dodging/Improper Editing Behavior
So for a while now I've been going back and forth on the Aztec Batman: Clash of Empires YMMV page where this troper "thebendu" keeps editing the one meme entry on that page (a meme of Joker being "based" for siding with the Spaniards to stop the human sacrificing of people and children) where they kept editing it to paint the real life Aztecs as victims of the evil Spaniards, ignoring how that's not what the meme is. Their few other edits where also all focused on whitewashing how brutal the Aztecs were in real life, for what that's worth.
Long story short on that, they kept ignoring the rules on editing or provide any reasoning I reported them and they got suspension. Now I hop on and check that page, some troper who never existed before today called "Boobam 45" just deleted the whole entry claiming it to be "racist" and that it should enter the discussion forms (which they did not do, they just deleted it). Given this was with 24 hours of thebendu's suspension, and they still left an empty Memetic Mutation entry (similar to thebendu's past edits lacking proper formatting), I think this new account is just thebendu under a new name still trying to block that entry despite being reported and suspended once already. There has been no activity on that page aside from myself and them to suggest otherwise.
To be honest I find this whole thing ridiculous and exhausting at this point, this guy is obsessed with not letting a stupid meme be discussed, but the fact remains it seems like there's someone on this site concerned only with rewriting history to what they see as "proper" and is ignoring all the rules and regulations of this site to do so.
Edited by koryopenWhat's the burden of proof for side content?
The Cool Autistic Gamer 774 is a YouTube channel that does edits and reanimations of Smiling Friends. With Season 3, these edits have started to include voice acting and animation that appears almost indistinguishable from the show itself and have been released within hours of the main episode's air time, so fan consensus seems to be that The Cool Autistic Gamer is either an elaborate bit from the official creators or a marketing stunt.
Here's my question: TCAG has never appeared in an official cut of the show and there's no official confirmation one way or the other about who made it, but the character has a character folder on the page. What's the burden of proof necessary to decide this character is actually from the show and should be on the "official" page? Does it matter? Are there even rules that cover this phenomenon? Am I wildly overthinking something from a show that doesn't take itself that seriously to begin with?
Edited by TheMasterPandaopenEdit War in Homeward Bound II Film
So in Homeward Bound II: Lost in San Francisco, Valinante added edits that claimed that Chance didn't forgive Sassy and Shadow at all after Delilah leaves him.
Hero Gal 2347 removes and/or alters them with this reason:
- A lot of the segments in Broken Pedestal, This Is Unforgivable! and Laser-Guided Karma seem to be a bit of an exaggeration. Yes, Chance understandably loses his temper over the incident with Shadow and Riley interfering in his relationship with Delilah, but he acts the same way he has for the past two movies when he reveals himself to Shadow and Sassy after the incident with Ashcan and Pete. There's no sign of a permanent grudge.
Valinante readds the This Is Unforgivable! entry.
I removed it with an admittedly rude reason (which i apologize for) and sent them a notifier quoting the Hero Gal's reason (if that's not okay I also apologize.
Valinante sent me a rather rude message that basically amounts to "Chance didn't say he forgave them, so he didn't." and disregards him saving them proving otherwise. And regardless I don't think an optimistic and upbeat movie would have such a pessimistic quality like "no forgiveness between friends".
Is it alright if I take this here? Does something further need to be done?
Edited by RedBerryBlueCherryopenWhen is it appropriate to link to Tropes Are Tools in work pages?
My question night as well be "When should you link to any Administrivia pages in work pages?", but I don't want to get too ahead of myself so I'll just limit myself to the title.
It always feels weird seeing any Administrivia page on a work page, but that in and of itself isn't a valid reason to remove it. I do often see Tropes Are Tools specifically when Tropes Are Not Bad/Good would be used instead, and I feel like that in and of itself isn't appropriate, but I'd like to build up more consensus.
openPrivileged Young Woman with a Point to Prove
Is there a trope for when a young woman who's had a lot of privilege and advantages wants to prove herself in her chosen career? Like, she wants to show that she can be her own person regardless of her family connections.
Edited by SuperTroperresolved Permission to restore Unintentionally Unsympathetic entry on YMMV/GenV Live Action TV
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=YMMV.GenV&page=5#edit46057001
I added an Unintentionally Unsympathetic entry regarding one character’s redemption arc.
- Unintentionally Unsympathetic: Cate in Season 2, where both she and Sam are given redemption arcs. By the end of Season 1, after having disregarded her friends' wishes once again, Cate (alongside Sam) led a school massacre to purge God U of humans, regardless of if they were complicit in the Woods. The Boys Season 4 had her eagerly pledge loyalty to Homelander and round up dissidents to put in internment camps. However, the school massacre and the two's commitment to Supe Supremacy are either not mentioned or glossed over in Season 2. Sam felt legitimate doubt and hesitation during the campus massacre and needed his emotions wiped to continue on. After his emotions came back in Season 2 and the ensuing regret impacted him, he worked to improve himself, took responsibility for his actions, and gave Emma a sincere apology. Whereas Cate showed no doubt at any point during the anti-human killing spree (she coldly brushed off Sam's concerns about innocent people dying before offering to wipe his emotions to "help" him) and for the first half of Season 2, refused to accept that anything was her fault and blamed everyone but herself for her misfortune. She only ever acknowledged wrongdoing by episode 7 after she found out Marie could heal her. Yet, throughout the entirety of Season 2, she never gives the gang a sincere apology that she doesn't diminish by then bringing up how she didn't deserve the "murder attempt" on her, which was just Jordan protecting Marie from Cate in self-defense after the latter tried to control Marie into giving up information on Starlight. All in all, Cate came across as caring more about what she did to her friends and wanting back in the group than regretting any of her other terrible crimes, making her redemption feel very much unearned. This feeling wasn't helped by the show also seeming to inexplicably equate Marie lifting her friends off the ground for a few minutes in an attempt to protect them from Cipher (whose puppeteering powers they had no defense against) to the several atrocities Cate committed by abusing her powers.
It was removed on two separate occasions (sorry, I wasn’t aware of the rules. That’s my fault) for these reasons:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=YMMV.GenV&page=5#edit46056103
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=YMMV.GenV&page=5#edit46059563
When they came to rescue her in episode 5, Cate was happy but she didn’t actually say that SHE did anything wrong. She just said she was shocked they came “after everything.” Her telling Sam they “hurt people” seemed more like an attempt to get him to back off wanting her to erase his emotions, which she certainly would have done if her powers were working right (she even did it once without his consent earlier this season). And her promise to not use her powers on her friends again doesn’t hold much water since 1.) It’s easy to say that and commit to it when she doesn’t actually HAVE powers at the time, and 2.) She was already given MANY chances in season 1 by the gang to stop doing just that which she didn’t take. It also doesn’t help that she’s guilty of several instances of sexual assault. There were the guards in season 1 she could have easily just put to sleep. And there was arguably her sexual relationship with Golden Boy where she repeatedly wiped certain memories that would’ve made him rightfully repulsed by her. If he had encountered Cate during his maddened rampage, he surely would have given her the same treatment he gave Brink. The Boys universe (rightfully) seems to treat sexual assault as one crime you can’t come back from, as demonstrated by Homelander, Deep, Tek-Knight, Firecracker, and Rufus remaining villains. Not to mention how Cate played along with Firecracker’s transphobic smear campaign against Jordan in episode 4. After Jordan called BS on Cate saying she was “forced” to do it, Cate’s only response was to falsely claim Jordan “tried to murder her and bragged about it in front of the whole school.” Overall, I feel Cate’s a similar case to Lamplighter and Victoria Neuman, who are listed under the Unintentionally Unsympathetic trope over on The Boys. Especially since she didn’t give a genuine apology to anyone and just suddenly seemed to stop hating humans.
Thoughts?
resolved Is there a point to having a Troper Page?
So, idk if this is a weird question. I'm intrigued by the idea of making a Troper page for myself but, I suppose, don't want to do it "wrong", if that makes sense? Why do people make Troper pages? What should I put on it? Is there a particular advantage to having one? Or is it just like a personal cork board to personalize?
openSpeculative troping on the voice cast
Troper SutairuMasuta has made some edits
on Characters.Final Fantasy Tactics Characters regarding the voice cast, in particular that Jennifer English voiced a character named Ovelia Atkascha. However, I couldn't find any official source that English voiced Ovelia, whether it's on the official announcement
or the game's BTVA page
.
I sent them a notifier about the source and they sent me the announcement trailer
but there still isn't any confirmation that English voiced the character. When I told them about this, they just told me to delete it myself and ask English on social media. This immediately set off alarm bells in my brain so I'm asking here on what should be the best course of action.
openAvoiding an edit war
Drope has just removed
this entry I originally added on Fanon.Hazbin Hotel, on the grounds that it's "outdated fanon".
- Although there are a lot of theories about who Alastor's soul is bound to, him being soul-bound to Lilith is the theory that's most commonly implemented in fan works, as not only does it correlate with canon coincidences, but it also explains his Berserk Button over it in the most insecure and ironic way, leaving open the possibility of Charlie changing on how she sees him.
I think just deleting the entry wasn't the right way, since the page itself features several other entries citing examples of Fanon that have been Jossed in canon.
Thus, I'd like to re-add the entry with a re-write:
- Before "It's a Deal" revealed that Alastor had made his secret deal with Rosie, there were a lot of theories about who Alastor's soul was bound to, but him being soul-bound to Lilith was the theory that was most commonly implemented in fan works, as not only did it correlate with canon coincidences at the time of Season 1, but it would have also explained Alastor's Berserk Button over it in the most insecure and ironic way, leaving open the possibility of Charlie changing on how she sees him.
Sent a PM to Drope so they can see this.
openNot Fond of a Change Done to "Rabbit Season, Duck Season"
Hey, I was just over on the Duck Season, Rabbit Season trope page and was dismayed to see that someone saw fit to rip out pretty much all the quotes. So basically the trope has been reduced to talking about the routine but not actually showing it? That was the whole fun with that page, to see all those gags in one easy to find place. How are people supposed to get the humor of the routines without actually knowing how they went?
Now if this was a move to shorten the length of the page, fine. But what real!y irks me is that rather than transfer the lines to the Quote page, the guy who did this just left them in the wind. Now, if I could, I'd scour through the history section and put the deleted lines on the alternate page myself, but it'd be too much of an undertaking for me. Any chance an Admin or somebody would be willing to add the quotes?
resolved Soft Reboot Misuse
A few years ago I added Sonic Adventure to the Soft Reboot page. Fast forward to today and it somehow bloated to the point of absurdity that every 3D entry in the Sonic series is a Soft Reboot. Here's my assessment:
- While the Adventure games defined the tone of the franchise for several years, a period lengthened by a successful transition to Nintendo hardware, Sega then decided to go Multi-Platform with Sonic Heroes, a game that expanded on the playable roster (from six "main" characters in each of the Adventure games to a whopping twelve), emphasizing straightforward and lighthearted storytelling (as opposed to the more somber elements of death and destruction in the Adventure games), and ignoring most of the existing lore. No, it's a direct continuation of the Adventure duology. It didn't "ignore the existing lore". An expanded cast, a shift in tone, and a new gameplay gimmick doesn't differentiate it enough from past games.
- Sega then decided to exploit its then hottest character and gave him the leading role in Shadow the Hedgehog, but this proved to be such a commercial and popular failure that the next big console release — Sonic the Hedgehog (2006) — was openly described as a reboot in articles and press releases leading-up to its release (note that "2006" is not in the game's actual title, which is simply Sonic the Hedgehog, as though it were the first in the series). This game featured a massive Tone Shift away from a Doom-esque hellscape to a highly wrought and exotic setting typical of Final Fantasy, revisited Adventure-style narrative tropes like ancient evils and decades-old intrigue, removed any cartoony design elements (save for Funny Animals like Sonic and friends) — it even had a realistic Eggman. Maybe this can stay. I'm a bit iffy on this one since it still takes place in the Adventure continuity. My main hang-up is "thin Eggman" and Yuji Naka stating in interviews that he wanted to reinvent the franchise to be more like Batman (yes, really). Honestly the title alone gives the impression that this was a supposed to be a reboot
- With the failure of '06, Sega decided to rework its approach once again. After three games featuring Sonic's substantial list of playable characters, Sega began a more experimental period in two parts focused almost exclusively on Sonic himself. The Sonic Storybook Series featured Sonic in solo on-rails adventures in fantasy worlds derived from real-life legend, while Sonic Unleashed compromised between this approach and the Sonic Adventure approach to narrative and game design, with another ancient evil plot and experimental Beat 'em Up gameplay. Another notable element of this era was the reduction of Sonic's portrayal as a goody two-shoes, which had dominated his characterization from Heroes to '06, in favor of restoring his Mascot with Attitude personality. I feel like Unleashed can stay because it discarded the Adventure storyline, introduced the Boost mechanic that would go on to define the HD era of Sonic, and made Sonic the main focus of the series from this point forward as opposed to the Loads And Loads Of Characters of past 3D Sonic games.
- None of these games proved to be an especially successful new direction, prompting Sega to go back to even further basics with Sonic Colors: a pure contest of wills between Sonic and Eggman to rescue distressed critters (and in that sense a plot no more complicated than the very first Sonic the Hedgehog 1), with Tails on the sidelines to give Sonic somebody to chat with. Colors also notably employed a simple and lighthearted tone not seen since Sonic Heroes, but also an irreverent and tightly written comedic tone not seen since Sonic's early American cartoons. Colors was a hit, prompting Sega to borrow most of the gameplay and expand on its approach to the Classic era Sonic with Sonic Generations, and then providing a direct sequel to Colors with Sonic Lost World, which expanded on the outer space setting of Colors by employing design elements from Super Mario Galaxy. I don't think Colors differentiates itself enough from Unleashed to count, and I wouldn't call Lost World a "direct sequel" to Colors.
- With the failure of Lost World, however, Sega embarked on a new project entirely in Sonic Boom, an era of the franchise spanning several years' worth of video games, a cartoon, and comic books. Boom was a spinoff that reimagined the core Sonic cast from the ground up and engaged them with adventure archaeology and mad science more in the vein of Crash Bandicoot than of Sonic's historic high-speed platforming (no doubt thanks to the creators of Boom having been involved with Crash years before). Sonic Boom was never intended to replace the mainline continuity of the Sonic franchise, it was always meant to be a spinoff, so this can go.
- Sonic Forces, the first major core series title since Boom began, references previous titles while at the same time leaving out a lot of things from previous games. Most blatantly, there are no humans besides Eggman (there aren't even minor human NPCs anywhere), and though there's a world war going on, G.U.N. is nowhere in sight. Instead, for the first time in the games, we have Funny Animal minor characters appearing. The game also doesn't include some previous areas such as Station Square and instead takes place near a nondescript "City." However... There were no humans since Colors either, and no mention of G.U.N. since '06 because Unleashed basically did away with the Adventure continuity.
- Tepid reaction to Forces (and certain assertations about series lore during this time) ensured that Sega once again would backtrack from this new direction beginning with Sonic Frontiers, which notably introduced an "Open Zone" structure to the gameplay formula. Frontiers and supplemental works such as TailsTube would also begin "clarifying" more controversial Word of God statements made during the Forces era so as to no longer conflict with pre-existing canon while also Canon Welding the games to other media like the IDW comics and Sonic Prime and having a stronger, more serious focus on continuity over the more self-referential and often self-deprecating humor of the 2010s (often dubbed the "Meta Era" as a result). This could probably count, since the "boost to win" formula and self-deprecating snark from Unleashed and onward were finally abandoned in favor of open-world gameplay and a script that takes itself much more seriously.
resolved BonaFIDE's edits to Recap.SpongeBobSquarePantsS2E14WelcomeToTheChumBucketFrankendoodle Western Animation
Bona FIDE made these edits on Recap.Sponge Bob Square Pants S 2 E 14 Welcome To The Chum Bucket Frankendoodle:
- Unexpectedly Dark Episode: The episode from the revelation that Plankton has obtained SpongeBob's services to the musical number has copious, if not gratuitous amount of crying. And that's the tip of the iceberg, with SpongeBob's brain being removed and placed in a robot and the Krusty Krab actually shutting down! Holy overexagerating, Batman! This is not "unexpectedly dark". Plankton basically kidnaps SpongeBob for one episode and shenanigans ensue with everything going back to normal by the end. There are really only two scenes with crying and they're semi-Played for Laughs (any emotional tension is broken up with Plankton being a comedically massive jerk). SpongeBob's brain being removed is also Played for Laughs given how we don't see the operation, Plankton's plan fails miserably regardless and SpongeBob gets his brain back in short order, and the Krusty Krab is shut down for a grand total of about 10 seconds. Also a Pothole to a Moments page. Yeah that song in the middle of the episode made me weepy as a kid but it's followed up with more typical SpongeBob hijinks. This is no darker than your typical SpongeBob episode.
He added Just Eat Gilligan to the page even though it's YMMV now and even then, it makes no sense: Plankton couldn't control what Mr. Krabs was going to bet: his secret recipe (which, let's face it, he would probably never in a million years do even if he was confident he would win) or SpongeBob's employment contract. He also added a Sinkhole elsewhere on the page.
- Just Eat Gilligan: Plankton admits he threw card games so that Mr. Krabs would bet something valuable, but despite the idea of betting the physical formula being mentioned twice (one time by Plankton himself), Plankton goes for SpongeBob instead for some reason.
He changed the word "punk" to "jerk" several times for some reason.
Edited by supernintendo128openSpeculatory Entry on Hazbin Hotel page.
The character page for Hazbin Hotel: Heaven had a folder on it specifically referring to the "Elders of Heaven" and treats them like a legitimate group of characters... except they aren't. Aside from a single line from Charlie in the very first episode, there's no indication they as a group exist at all and wasn't just a catchall term used to refer to Heaven's authority, especially since one of the so-called "elders" is Sera the High Seraphim, and its all but said she is the leader of Heaven, aided by the aforementioned first episode depicting Sera alone when Charlie mentions "Heaven" making the "heartless decision" to conduct the Exterminations, and the only beings said to outrank her being God himself and the "Speaker of God". So I deleted
the folder on the basis that the group was a fanon concept.
Despite this, Kronger 3124 readded it
while claiming they do exist because of that first scene and an unrelated scene from the song "More Than Anything" where Lucifer shields Charlie from a generic group of angels, Kronger claiming they are the same angels from when Charlie mentioned the "Elders", despite the designs not being the same nor even being consistent in the alleged depiction from the first episode. Evidence: Scene of the "Elders" including Sera and "biblically accurate angels"
◊, Scene of the "Elders" scolding Lucifer with six generic humanoid silhouettes
◊, and Scene from "More Than Anything" depicting the angels allegedly the same as the "Elders"
◊. The only thing suggesting the ones from the second and third pictures are the same characters is the shape of the halos, which alone is not evidence enough to suggest they are the so called "Elders", especially since several characters have been shown to have similar looking Halos and when it contradicts the one that depicts Sera among them.
My point being is that, as of now, it is still fanon that these so called "elders" are a legitimate group and not just a term used to refer to the older angels to contrast Lucifer being the young "dreamer", and attempting to trope them as if they were is pure speculation.
As such, requesting permission to remove it without instigating an Edit War.
Edited by RebelFalconresolved Questions about a problematic Nightmare Fuel page Videogame
NightmareFuel.Little Big Planet is currently only a one paragraph long page with incorrect grammar and citing user-made content as its nightmare fuel. I have a few questions about this.
- Just to be sure, can this page be cut for being a stub? I'm not sure how page length limits apply to Moments subpages. If so, I'll sent a notifier to the page creator and send the page to the cutlist if they don't respond or edit the page in a few days.
- Can user-generated content be used as examples on the main pages for the games they come from? LittleBigPlanet itself is a game that is heavily focued around its level editor, but it has its own story and levels outside of that, making it a game rather than a platform like Roblox.
Local Odd Squad Connoisseur
resolved Question about troping upcoming material
So recently the Instagram account of one of the actors on Odd Squad UK posted a filming wrapup video that includes a few spoilers for an upcoming Season 2. It's public so it wouldn't fall under Content Leak, but I just want to confirm if the stuff in that video is okay to trope or not — the season itself was publicly announced to be in production a while back but there's no release window or date set for it yet.
Edited by ilovewildkratts1resolved Discussion pages spam complaining about Sinfest images
burglesnur has made a total of 57 comments
today alone on the discussion pages of tropes/one index with a Sinfest panel as the image, with the post each time being:
Issues with Sinfest itself aside, surely this violates Rule 1, right? If it was just a single post it would be one thing, but this is...well, a lot more than that. I don't know if it could be considered a Single-Issue Wonk since they've made unrelated discussion posts and their edits seem to be fine, but at any rate it's not okay.
Edited by Coachpill

Hero The Brine removed an Ambiguously Bi entry I added to the character Kyoka Jiro, but their only edit reason was "The reasons provided of there being sings of her attraction/relationship with Momo were false.", yet they don't elaborate further nor do they provide any evidence.
Is that a sufficient enough edit reason for removal, or is it insufficient meaning I can restore it without enacting an Edit War?
The entry in question: