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STARCRUSHER99 (Captain)
2021-04-19 21:24:31

I can only speak of the Godzilla character, but it's a Fan Nickname for a character that has no official name - the heads are all treated as separate characters - and the director of that movie has even joined in on it, so I'm inclined to let that one stay. Cant say the same for the Zoids thing

Primis Since: Nov, 2010
2021-04-19 22:06:17

Okay, but when you have to clarify every mention of "Kevin" with "(the left head)" or risk leaving people utterly confused as to who "Kevin" is, that's probably a sign the pages are better off without it.

TheMountainKing Since: Jul, 2016
2021-04-19 23:04:23

I don't think fan nicknames should be used on pages, especially non-intuitive ones like this.

Kuruni (Long Runner)
2021-04-20 00:52:22

^ I'm not quite sure about that. There was an incident in Kamen Rider page about removing fan-term "Neo-Heisei". I think the verdict is that if it's really a popular term among fandom, then there's no problem.

Of couse, the term only appear on Kamen Rider page twice and it's used along with the official term for both times. So it isn't a big deal and unlikely to confuse anyone.

WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
2021-04-20 00:54:39

^ Well, "Characterization Tags" are already disallowed, and those are also popular terms among fandoms. The point is that we don't cater to fandoms, we cater to everybody, even those who've never seen a single work in their life.

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nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010
2021-04-20 05:17:36

I thought in this particular case, though, that "Kevin" was actually a production nickname that caught on with fans, not the other way around.

miraculous (Apprentice)
2021-04-20 06:09:58

Yes. Even legendary used it in their poll. Like the company itself uses the name which makes it fine honestly.

Edited by miraculous "That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Primis Since: Nov, 2010
2021-04-20 08:31:04

Yes, it's a Production Nickname, but that doesn't change the fact that it's never said in the movie, so every mention of it needs "(the left head)" right next to it to not confuse anyone who doesn't keep up with the goings-on behind-the-scenes, which is most people, let's be real.

And like, we don't use Production Nicknames in articles either.

Edited by Primis
Kuruni (Long Runner)
2021-04-20 10:39:14

It isn't the same, but I don't think "it's never said in the movie" alone is enough reason. Else every All There in the Manual bit would be equally invalid.

Primis Since: Nov, 2010
2021-04-20 12:09:36

The "manuals" in All There in the Manual are part of the work though. Random things said during production are not All There in the Manual.

Kuruni (Long Runner)
2021-04-20 20:33:08

First of all, I understand your point (at least I think I understand, and I assume that you're aware of how "manual" cover all supplement material). Just want to point out that the logic of "never said in the work" means "every mention of it needs X right next to it to not confuse anyone who doesn't keep up with the goings-on behind-the-scenes" is kinda off. It sound more like The Other Wiki than here.

Edited by Kuruni
Primis Since: Nov, 2010
2021-04-20 20:57:04

^ Look at the pages though, most if not all mentions of "Kevin" already say "(the left head)" or some variation thereof. That's not me saying that, the people that added those examples already did it.

Kuruni (Long Runner)
2021-04-20 21:33:31

Oh, I talked about general case instead of the specific page since you bring up two different works to this thread.

But lets see, the word Kevin appears only once in Film.Godzilla King Of The Monsters 2019, and this is the one I'm actually concern since it's on main work page without explanation whatever.

On YMMV.Godzilla King Of The Monsters 2019, the name appears seven times, on Alternative Character Interpretation, Draco in Leather Pants, Ensemble Dark Horse, and Love to Hate entries. To be honest, I think they're fine (although Alternative Character Interpretation citing unnamed fanworks is likely invalid, and Love to Hate one is ZCE so I commented it out) These entries are Audience Reactions to specific character and using nickname emphasize that this guy is fan's favourite. Especially on Draco in Leather Pants and Ensemble Dark Horse, it drive the point home that this head is only one that get Fan Nickname while the other two don't.

Edited by Kuruni
SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
2021-04-21 01:26:55

Fan Nickname is a problematic trope because it's flagged Trivia even though it's more like an Audience Reaction. I'd say that work pages need to use the work's name for a character and not a fan nickname.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Kuruni (Long Runner)
2021-04-21 03:48:14

^ Well, the page OP bring up here is YMMV.

Adept MOD (Holding A Herring)
2021-04-21 04:43:04

^^ Except in this case, the name was given by the film's director, not the fans, so it isn't actually a Fan Nickname.

If we remove all references to "Kevin", we'll have to remove the "Ichi" and "Ni" designations for the centre and right heads as well, since in the movie they're only ever collectively known as "Monster Zero" or "Ghidorah". It makes no sense to take issue with Kevin but not the other two, when they're mentioned in the same post, so they have the same degree of canonicity, or lack thereof.

Edited by Adept
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