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PrincessPandaTrope Since: Jan, 2017
2021-03-10 11:37:26

Yeah, I would like that page to be locked as well.

Content Warning: My posts may involve my actions dealing with R-rated or Not Safe For Work content. Same for my edit history.
laserviking42 Since: Oct, 2015
2021-03-10 11:43:39

Creator Page Guidelines states:

What should not go on creator pages:

  • Creator Bashing. Creator pages should not be used to complain about how much a person sucks. We're not here to hate on people. Multiple creator pages, including Microsoft, have been sent to the Permanent Red Link Club because editors just couldn't resist spewing bile. Please keep it neutral.

I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
Tuvok Since: Feb, 2010
2021-03-10 12:15:21

Eliwood re-added a removed example albiet with modifications. Is that edit warring?

laserviking42 Since: Oct, 2015
2021-03-10 12:16:53

^ Yes, they did not address the reason it was removed, not sure if they even read the prior edit reason

I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
RighteousEliwood3 Since: Apr, 2018
2021-03-10 12:21:07

I did not air any grievances or partake in Creator Bashing with my edit. I used an example of the creator's work to supplement the Old Shame trope - that is evident if you read the edit I added.

The other individual certainly did Creator Bash, I'm not sure why I'm being lumped in with them.

Edited by RighteousEliwood3
mightymewtron Since: Oct, 2012
2021-03-10 12:52:23

She shouldn't have a Trivia page if she's a creator. The Trivia items go on the main Creator page.

Move anything salvageable to the main page via the Locked Pages thread, then just cutlist the Trivia page.

Edited by mightymewtron I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
crazysamaritan MOD Since: Apr, 2010
2021-03-10 18:23:36

Also, Characters/ isn't a valid subpage for Creators. Character subpages belong to the work, and a Creator is not a work.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Kappaclystica Since: Jan, 2019
2021-03-10 18:30:26

^ I've thrown it onto the cutlist.

RighteousEliwood3 Since: Apr, 2018
2021-03-10 19:22:29

There are other creators with a Trivia/ subpage though, aren't there? Out of curiosity, why is this one not able to?

WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
2021-03-10 19:26:00

^ They aren't supposed to. If they have one, those pages need to be cut.

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
GastonRabbit MOD (General of TV Troops)
2021-03-10 20:13:25

Creator Page Guidelines mentions the Trivia guideline in addition to what was previously said about bashing.

You can't just say "perchance".
morpmorp Since: Jun, 2019
2021-03-11 01:23:28

I'd say Creator Breakdown, Missing Episode, Talking To Herself and Trolling Creator are about the only things that are salvageable. The rest should just be cut.

EDIT: I've made an edit request for the main page, and added Trivia to the cutlist

Edited by morpmorp
kittyfo Since: Oct, 2018
2021-03-11 12:05:24

Can we get her more recent content added to Lily's page? Specifically her recent fanfictions Sith Resurgence and those WOW-related ones that I don't remember off-hand. A more comprehensive list of her many creations would be helpful. I feel that Old Shame could be kept since most know her from her argument with Josh and writing the Stockholm fanfiction.

Edited by kittyfo seek the truth always
morpmorp Since: Jun, 2019
2021-03-12 01:18:18

The Sith Resurgence and Horde Champion have their own pages. And they're the only other confirmed works of hers that would warrant them as her Youtube channel is covered by the Creator page.

The notion that most people know her because of Joshscorcher or Stockholm is a misnomer. Most people know her from her two film-length video essays, and the majority of her viewers weren't aware of one of those things until her recent podcast. A lot of people learned about her former friendship when she talked about the harassment she recieved on that podcast. And even then it's less Old Shame as it is Trauma Button.

Furthermore, that's IRL issues, which don't belong on TV Tropes. The closes that would belong is her recent discussion about the Over a Barrel video where she said a lot of ghoulish shit under duress, but that would require actually taking Orchard at her word and that seems like something certain people here are not willing to do.

Stockholm is a similar vein because Old Shame requires taking Lily at her word and she hasn't expressed anything about it. We don't even know if there is shame, or how much of a hand she actually had in it. For all we know this could be another Over a Barrel where Orchard was invovled only a little bit and under duress. But without her talking about it, there's not much else to do. At that point you're listing things you think she should be ashamed of.

RighteousEliwood3 Since: Apr, 2018
2021-03-12 12:24:51

^A few things, firstly you're incredibly insistent about ensuring details about her IRL issues don't plague her pages, which is fine, but you requested Creator Breakdown be added to her main creator page (which it is now), which goes to a relatively considerable length about her personal issues. Granted, it does tie into her works, but if we're going to be balanced here, then so do the examples of Over a Barrel, RVI, and Stockholm.

Secondly, being a fan of Lily's (at least, a while ago before I rediscovered her content recently), I recall she took considerable pride in writing Stockholm, citing it numerous times as an example of good use of certain tropes. (The name of the video I'm thinking of escapes me, I believe it was something akin to "Mommydagio and Alicorns" talking about Mary Sues.) She appears to have removed any reference to it in her remake video, and there have been blog posts from her stating the series desperately needed rewrites (that tidbit is present on the fic's trivia page, and since Lily's posts from that point are gone, I doubt it would have been added back then baselessly), and some tropes within Stockholm's page and its subpages stating that Lily and her co-author seemed Squicked or disturbed by the content, all of which personify Old Shame. Make no mistake, I'm not trying to insult or degrade her, I just think her work ought to be properly attributed to her. She has denied attribution in a past post, which is why I wrote what I did.

I even said that when I requested the edit on the locked page, "it's best to know what the creator does and doesn't want to talk about with regards to their works, so fans don't pester them about it."

SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
2021-03-14 01:35:50

Well, I don't know much about the subject but this is getting out of the scope of Ask The Tropers. Please make a forum thread or use the discussion page.

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