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It's certainly natter, but it could be good information. I think it should be condensed somehow. You can also post here
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^ Thanks for the heads-up. Though there's still the matter of all the other issues with this mega-edit. I'm trying to gather up more examples from it but like I said it's very much a matter of digging through a mountain of minor tweaks.
One of the more questionable things I can point to now though is how they insisted on changing most mentions of the protagonist's name, "Din Djarin", to "Mando", the nickname a few characters use for him. His name was technically treated as a minor reveal in the finale of the first season, but overall he's mainly referred to in a Hey, You! way by other characters both before and after.
EDIT: For natter, we have this sub-sub-bullet added to Armor Is Useless:
- According to the art book, Mando’s pre-beskar-windfall armor was partially sourced from scavenged stormtrooper gear. No wonder it fell to pieces!
EDIT2: While picking apart individual cases of it would require a lot of nitpicking and comparison between the edit and the original, there's a lot of rewording to paint the character of Bo-Katan and her faction of Mandalorians in a negative light and downplay her claims that the protagonist's sect is a cult, including deliberately reframing the protagonist's interactions with them in ways that are somewhat contrary to how the show portrays it.
Edited by Dirtyblue929Given he's Din Djarin on action figures now, going with that over "Mando" makes sense.
The thing with the "cult" entry is that the only thing consistent about Mandalorians in the current canon is that no one agrees what makes someone a Mandalorian. Bo-Katan was part of a splinter sect that chose to have Mandalore destroyed rather than not be a planet whose hat was being Blood Knights so... there's that.
Found a Youtube Channel with political stances you want to share? Hop on over to this page and add them.I hope no one minds me bringing this up, but the same troper added this
to the YMMV 0age for the show.
At the very least whether we go with the name or the nickname, it needs to be consistent throughout the page; someone who isn't familiar with the series could easily be confused into thinking that "Mando" and "Din" are separate people.
Reaction Image RepositoryFound a pretty solid example of the "reframing Din's sect as good guys and Bo-Katan's sect as bad guys" the wumbo edit did. This is the most blatant but there's plenty of smaller rewords along these lines:
- Culture Shock: When he finally encounters another clan of Mandalorians, Din Djarin is horrified and enraged to discover that his covert was really just an extreme fundamentalist cult, and that the majority of Mandalorians don't actually do stuff like wearing full combat armor at all times in public under threat of excommunication. This seems to soften his approach when he later meets Boba Fett, who was never raised in the Mandalorian culture at all after his father was killed fighting the Jedi.
- Culture Shock: When he finally encounters another clan of Mandalorians, Mando is dismayed to learn that they view his covert as an extreme fundamentalist cult, and that many other Mandalorians don't do stuff like wearing full combat armor at all times in public. Later, he meets the much-more-polite Boba Fett, who was never directly raised in the Mandalorian culture after his father was killed fighting the Jedi.
To be fair, the original entry was hostile in the other direction (painting Din's sect as bad guys and other sects as good guys) but like I said this is one of many edits meant to downplay the protagonist's growing doubts about his sect's fanaticism and exaggerating the other sects' flaws.
EDIT: Another good example:
- Hypocrite: Bo Katan mocks Din for being a part of a Mandalorian splinter faction dedicated to honoring their roots, despite the fact she helped found the splinter faction that eventually gave rise to Din's.
- Hypocrite: Bo Katan mocks Mando for supposedly being a part of an extremist Mandalorian splinter faction, despite the fact she helped found the splinter faction that possibly gave rise to Mando’s, and Mando’s group is transparently dedicated to honoring their roots compared to Death Watch’s terrorism.
I thought I'd put this here, but someone has been semi-frequently changing the Laconic description of the show. I'm not a fan of it since it feels kinda nonsensical. What do we do about it?
Original: Bounty Hunter from a Proud Warrior Race is hired to capture a strange alien child, and decides to protect it instead.
New Edit: He was a spacefaring pirate bachelor, and now he's just a single dad traveling around the galaxy trying to get his son the best education he can.
The new Laconic reminds me of how we would present "better than it sounds".
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.If you look at some of the conversations going on around places like Tumblr regarding this show, the new Laconic is precisely what the show is. Which kind of raises the question about how we prefer Laconic descriptions to read on a scale from "accurate Wikipedia-ish elevator pitch" to "twee Tumblr take"
"Jack, you have debauched my sloth."Regarding the laconic: tone aside, the new edit has a few inaccuracies. He was never a pirate, he's a Bounty Hunter. The "single dad" bit implies that he literally has a kid and completely skims over the "adopted a mark" bit, which is kinda an important part of his characterization. "tries to get him the best education" is also quite a bit different from "trying to reunite him with his own kind."
It's one of those things where it makes sense if you're already familiar with the show, but if you aren't, it's not going to give you an accurate idea of what's going on.
Reaction Image RepositoryThe new version is better off at Better Than It Sounds, where silly summaries are allowed.
SING TO ME, LEND ME THE SONG OF BLASPHEMYLaconic issue has its own thread now: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=96810&type=att
I was waiting for more perspectives and consensus, but I guess I'm gonna go ahead and start undoing those "Din to Mando" changes. It's just one of many things to discuss here but it's a start.
EDIT: Done. Also commented out the wall of text mentioned in the OP until it can be cleaned up.
Edited by Dirtyblue929I'm not sure about calling him Djarin exclusively? I agree that his real name isn't a spoiler anymore, it wasn't much of a spoiler even at the time, but despite the real-world merchandising, it's not really what anyone calls him in-universe, apart from Gideon and the Armorer — possibly only in the first season finale? Even Cara and Greef still call him Mando after learning his name, and the subtitles in Season 2 continue to refer to him as The Mandalorian.
Not arguing for a revert, necessarily. I'd actually suggest just acknowledging the three as interchangeable in the description (could be something as simple as "...the show follows a Mandalorian Bounty Hunter (Pedro Pascal) operating in the lawless Outer Rim, as he works to support his clan's hidden enclave. Known simply as "Mandalorian" or "Mando" to most, his name is later revealed to be Din Djarin.") and letting later examples be mostly first-come, first-served (case by case, if there's another Mandalorian to distinguish him from in context, for instance, then changing Mando/Mandalorian to Djarin would be an easy fix).
Not going to push too hard for this, though. Just a thought.
Edited by UnsungSup guys, tossing in my two cents (not necessarily correct, just rationale): I'd kind of been thinking what Japanese Teeth had said, where it could be confusing for someone who just started watching the show to have a character interchangeably called several different things, not to mention that he's mostly called "Mando" in-show. What's the usual disambiguation guideline for situations like that?
Re: the "cult" situation, I'd mostly wanted to edit the whole thing where people are taking Bo-Katan at her word when she's not even framed as trustworthy or unbiased in her own episode, and when Din doesn't even act like he's in a cult (can leave at any time with no consequences, seems to be staying out of genuine care for his community, etc etc). Obviously it's still an open question in-show, but it felt a little odd to me when reading the page to see Bo-Katan's take framed as unbiased. What's the consensus?
People considers Bo-Katan's statements to be less biased in contrast to Din's due to her being an already established character and the fact that Din's beliefs contradicted what was established about Mandalorian culture in The Clone Wars and Rebels.
Her dialogues were to meant to explain why Din had those strange beliefs and strict code of honor that the modern Mandalorian don't have.
Edited by GoodGamer14^^ That's also a fair point regarding the name situation. Personally I'm against using the nickname though. The way it was handled created the impression that his name is a big spoiler of some kind, when it really isn't, and I feel like only the most casual of casual viewers could get confused by us using his real name - which, as has been pointed out, is quickly becoming the default way to refer to him in promo materials and merchandise.
As for the cult thing, again, now that you've actually explained your reasoning I see your point. Still, walls of text are frowned upon, which is why I've hidden it and brought it to the relevant thread (link above).
I will say that still I think you let off a bit of bias in the other direction when you were making these changes. Bo-Katan and her crew aren't saints, for sure, but the show still portrays them in a generally positive light and the characterization of her as "deceitful" and "abusing Din's trust" is mostly due the fact that she was a remorseless villain in her first appearance and the writers have kind of retconned her personality to that of a Well-Intentioned Extremist Anti-Hero, and the fandom can't reconcile that change so they create theories about her motivation that aren't fully supported by her behavior.
Edited by Dirtyblue929It doesn't look like any official Star Wars media refers to the Mandalorian as just "Djarin", but The Star Wars Book calls him "Din"
before he swears the Creed. I wish I joined this discussion earlier now, but do we need to update the page again?
We're still discussing it, it's just over on the Discussion tab at The Mandalorian. ATT threads are generally meant to be kept short, redirecting elsewhere.
Edited by Unsung

Yesterday Schnikeys made a truly massive edit to Series.The Mandalorian, changing over 80 lines. This was the edit reason given:
There's a bunch of things to talk about here. First, the edit summary leaves out mention of a large number of tweaks such as inserting potholes, adding natter, justifying edits, rewriting entries to be more favorable to certain characters and more critical to others, etc.
The absurdly large number of changes, many of which are relatively minor and mixed in with legitimate cleanup edits, means digging up and listing everything would take ages, but here's the biggest issue - an enormous wall of text appended to this already long trope entry, in blatant "justifying edit" / "conversation in the main page" manner:
EDIT: Another user has pointed out that the troper has also been adding non-YMMV items to the show's YMMV page.
Edited by Dirtyblue929